You wish you were Kuklinski dont you?.

Well, I'm glad that your last slight is not for me. I never ignored your mails. Actually, last time we talked, I had the last message. So my conscious is clear from that one. smiles

As far as your speech, very interesting stuff as always. You really have a way with words and it's always entertaining to hear from you, whether I agree with what you say or not.

I remember to hear you say a while ago, after a war, that somebody had been doing the right thing in keeping their people alive even if it meant taking some crap from more powerful cities instead of taking a stand and sending their city to die. Has your heart changed since then or am I missing a linking piece? If you don't mind, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

As far as speaking up in the streets, I am of those who believe it's safer to just keep my mouth shut and know that I won't have to deal with the consequences of anything I say. I see plenty of crews thriving and growing stronger every day without a lot of street presence. As you say (or imply), practically NOBODY is coming out to the streets to say anything worthwhile.

If I was ever given a crew, I wouldn't wish to dominate MafiaReturns. I would be happy with having a strong, active and prosperous city. I'm sure that if I were to live long enough, the time to remove a threat would come, but I would really leave it as a last resort... and that will probably be my undoing if I ever get a crew, I'm sure of it. Fortunately, as a CL, I won't have to make those calls either since I'll still be answering to Premeir for that kind of decisions.

Euphegenia listens to Chuckles rant and releases the grip of her handbag in emotional anger...

Chuckle, you've stepped well across the line of disrespect with this. You've not only come out and to what I believe disrespected the other leaders of our world.. but you've disrespected EVERY leader. Although you may not of used names.. we know very well who you're on about. We aren't retarded. Oh and I am sorry but I am not dull.. and yes I DO have an opinion and here I am voicing it.

When I want to voice my opinion on a matter I sure will. Quite often in our world the same bullshit is bought to the streets day in day out... month in month out. I really can't be arsed with wasting my time replying to the same speech that I or my ancestors have voiced what they believe on it over and over because its just been tweeked a little tiny bit because it's a different person speaking it.

You called the other leaders of the cities 'cowards' for not acting upon our own.. and yes I said.. OUR OWN Godfather. Why the fuck would you want that.. are you a blind idiot? I for one would not welcome an attack upon our city. It really really upsets me that you have come out here ranting and raving (OOC: As usual because that's all you ever fucking do on MafiaReturns is bitch about the state of our world) because you're 'bored'.

Sometimes it's best to keep your opinion to yourself as it ain't always welcome. This time I believe Chuckle you've really crossed the line. I respected you and left you to your ranting while keeping my opinion to myself but after seeing you talk like this to every bold suit out there.. I respect you no longer.

She looks down and sighs..

How it makes me upset. As it's said many times.. If you want something doing in this world.. DO IT YOURSELF! And as Alabama, who is a close friend of mine and Chicago's I believe... said.. Don't come out here ranting and getting us to try and do something when you can't be fucking arsed to do it yourself.

You rant on the lines of you are loyal and respectful, yet you come and say all this crap. Practically telling the other cities to try something on our city.. I don't class that as loyal.. and well calling other leaders cowards, well it that respectful? I think not.

She wipes a tear from her eye and walks away.

I'm too busy being another nobody in the long line of nobodies around here to comment!

The man is right.

This morning I woke up and over 50 percent of the population were marionnettes (NPM), and more than half of the rest were underlined.

of the underlined, 3 were insanely well protected and 6 were goomba or below.

how the hell did this world allow this to happen?

Chuckie baby, this world is too sanitized, too easily progressed and too comfortably ruled.

There is no room for a maverick anymore. no longer can  you 'change it' if you don't like it.

I'm here for the peanuts and the grooming.

good day.

I find it to be that the debates that bring out the most outrage are either when someone speaks up, and it's generally regarded that they are a moron, so everyone gets pissed at them for speaking, or when someone speaks up and says something uncomfortable that hits a nerve and so everyone gets pissed at them for saying the uncomfortable thing.

My family line has never been what you would call "friendly" with Chuckles, however I've never found the term "moron" to apply to him.

The thing with not naming any names is exactly that; regardless of what you believe, I haven't named names. By not doing so, I allow for people to make their own assumption as to who I mean and then interpret it accordingly. If you think that you "all know who I'm talking about", then it is because you identify the exact qualities (or lack of) in certain people and decide that is who I'm talking about. Equally, if you feel that this was aimed at you, then perhaps you're defending from attacks at what you perceive to be your own weaknesses. Whether you intended to or not, by doing this, you're supporting what I've said and acknowledging the existence of these characteristics.

As I said to Alabama, which you seem to have missed as well, I'm not advocating that everyone kills Roman and destroys our empire. In fact, I made that transparent in my last response which I can only assume you ignored or didn't understand. Here is what I am suggesting:

With that said, I am expecting the leaders to do something. Is that too much of me to ask? Seemingly so. That "something" should not be replaced with "everyone kill Roman" either, which you boys seem to have done. You too 'Bama. Sure, I think it is pathetic as hell that nobody has even tried in like two years to seriously kill Roman, but that isn't your fault anymore than it is mine given that you spent 90% of your life in Chicago. The competition has been so fucking tame that they didn't want to rule themselves and now we have to move Chicago's sons out on their own to make up the numbers.

No, what I am suggesting with this 'pathetic toys out the pram I wish someone would entertain me pile of rubbish' is that the leaders should do something for themselves. If that constitutes trying to kill Roman, good for fucking them, we would welcome the challenge. However, what it has to absolutely fucking constitute is something. Maybe that is taxing your IAs. Maybe that is taxing your business district. Maybe that is running around with a shitty stick and jabbing ugly bastards in the eye with it. Whatever that may be it has to be something more than what we now, because I don't see anything at all and that sickens me.

Do I think that ambitious people should try to take it all for themselves? Of course. Do you think Roman got to where he is without that attitude? Of course not. This is a guy who fronted up such a position of strength in the middle of an attempted take down, so intimidating that the attackers actually sued for peace on his terms. That isn't the action of a shrinking violet and MafiaReturns would be all the better for more people having a similar belief in themselves.

Perception is reality and we see it all the time. Take for example whenever people talk about the amount of bodyguard - look how wildly the numbers are exaggerated. People assume that someone has 500 bodyguards, so they don't try to attack him. What if he only had 150? Because you believed he had 500 and acted accordingly, he may as well have had the 500! But if you had actually tried to BG wack him, you would quickly discover the truth. The problem is that people are not prepared to try. That bleeds down into everything else they do. "I won't come to the Streets, because I might die. I won't answer that question, because I might die. I won't try that scam, because I might die." There are no automated responses in MafiaReturns, people make decisions and people do what they want to do on the basis of that. Only, nobody ever finds out what those responses might be, because they aren't prepared to risk doing something that prompts one.

Do I think that people should do things with their chance? Absolutely. Does that mean I think everyone should come after Roman? No. I think they should do whatever it is they dreamed of doing when they first thought about taking up a role as a leader and find out what happens. I don't think that many people go to their graves happily on MR. I think that if many people died today, they would look back over their lives with massive amounts of regret. I think that MafiaReturns is far more exciting and enjoyable when people try to do things. That doesn't have to be a foolhardy attack on Roman that they have no hope of achieving; that needs to be something. Not every move ends in your death. Not every action ends in your death. The problem is that nobody is prepared to even see where that line is, they are just sitting terrified in their HQs worrying about where it might be.

I would welcome people to try and take Roman's crown. Do I consider the fact that he has nearly survived two years without seriously being attacked other than his immediate rise to power to be a poor reflection of the opposition? Hell yes I do. We've seen some of the biggest guns and the most stacked defences we've ever seen and they barely caused a scratch. If you have all the tools at your disposal to take the top spot and you don't take it, at best you're un-ambitious and if they then subsequently wipe you out, at worst you're a fool. I wouldn't want to rule a docile MafiaReturns. Survival of the fittest breeds the strongest of the species, otherwise complacency creeps in. You either adapt and improve or you die. I think we all benefit from that scenario and lose some dead weight in the process.

As to the rest of your accusations at me, they all fall laughably short of the mark. If you believe me to be 'a blind idiot' then that is your opinion and you're welcome to it. The fact that nobody else shares it should give you all the evidence that you need as to how accurate it is. If you feel that all I 'ever fucking do on MafiaReturns is bitch about the state of our world', then again you're welcome to feel that way. I could point you to the many, many examples of my doing things, few have done more in actual fact, but if you've managed to erase them from your memory thus far, why would you recognise them now? I'm already doing things. Can you claim the same? Can you point me to the examples of them? You think you can go shot for shot with me in terms of what you're actually doing or what you've actually done? Do you think your legacy will outlast mine?

This was not a call to arms for everyone to destroy Chicago. If you believe that, then you missed the point. Had I wanted to make a call to arms, I wouldn't have brought a discussion to the Streets, I would have used my contacts across the country and made it happen. Instead, this was a call for people to do something. This was a call for people to make the most of what was once the highest honour that could be given; the opportunity to lead your own family. Too many people are doing nothing with it and MafiaReturns suffers for it. That "something" does not have to equate to killing Roman or attacking Chicago. That "something" has to equate to something more than is currently being done.

You say I've lost your respect, well I'm sorry to hear that, but it doesn't seem like you've even understood what I'm saying. I'm pretty certain that when someone does put a bullet in me, I will have a pretty formidable list of achievements to look back on. Just like dear old Dad did. And his Dad. And his. So you may say I've disrespected the other leaders, but if they fall into the category I've identified, then they aren't deserving of my respect to begin with. I respect people who do things. I respect people who are prepared to do what they want to do with the opportunity they have and use all of the skills at their disposal to make that happen. That is why I joined SexyBeast. That is why I joined Roman. I will never respect anyone who holes themselves up and says 'I'll die if I do that' without any basis for that belief other than their own fears. Those people are cowards and shouldn't have been given a family to begin with.

~C~

Two points.

1) If asking a bunch of anonymous NPMish leaders to actually do something with their lives either makes people angry or crosses some sort of line, then I respectfully encourage people to take a look in the mirror and reflect on what the hell is going on here.

2) If the most interesting thing that has happened in God knows how long is someone pointing out that nothing interesting has happened in God knows how long... then I reckon we've got a problem.

I have to say, I can clearly remember being told of times when Mafioso wearing the bold suit were gunned down for not having enough presence in the streets. I'm sure all of us have ancestors that were either shooters, victims, witnesses or some combination thereof in those situations. But now it seems everyone seems to be afraid that they will be shot if they Do have any street presence. Hell, I know that sometimes we just don't have time to hit the streets; those of us on top do have responsibilities to fulfill, other duties to take care of, "normal" lives to lead so as not to arouse suspicion. But really? To do absolutely nothing?

I'm as guilty as anyone else around here; the streets are fucking dead. Are those in bold or slanties to blame for this? No, but we are role models of a sort. How the hell can we legitimately encourage/command those under our care to grace the streets when we can't be bothered to do so?

It's almost as if this life of ours has become only a hobby, a game to play when there's a commercial on the tube and you don't feel like getting up to make a sandwich. There's no life, no soul, here in these streets or in these cities. Where are the gambling dens, the poker games? Where are the competitions, the stories to be told, the experiences to be shared? Most of all, where the hell are those that are supposed to be leading us?

fucker dont curse fucker its bad oh shit i cursed. 

well nonsence aside, yh, agreed chuckle with everything you said.

well for me as long as i know my best is doing the city good,thn i'm happy,n that is earning. all money goes to the higher ups in the end

I'm still a nobody in the mass of nobodies, but I thought long and hard about what Chuckle has said today. I considered his points, while his tone was harsh, and some of you thin skinned folks took it to heart, he is only telling the truth. Get the fuck out of your headquarters, stop hiding behind your bodyguards. Let me tell you a little secret, they're not going to stop you from dying, they're only delaying it till someone whos tired of you takes aim at you. Make a fucking stand, even if its within your own city. Just show this world of ours you're not here to watch your federal bank grow so you can buy more bodyguards for people to shoot later down the road. Stop being a crewleader so you can purchase some more NPMs and start using you connections and even your gun if you have to. No one is going to care when you die, no one is going to remember you when you're gone, no one will even blink twice if you dont do something now. I'm Joe fucking nobody, I didnt come back to this thing of ours to lead, I came back to support friends and allies Ive made over the years. When I'm gone, no one will remember me, but thats a ok with me. Its you bold suits hiding in a sea of anonymity who will sit back once you see the 'youve been fitted with cement shoes' screen who will then begin to second guess themselfs and ask what they could or should have done better. Most of what has been said here will be ignored, based upon the fact that most leaders could find the streets without a map these days.

There are active people on the Streets - but the weak and supine "leaders" stifle discussions.

My thought of the day; This proves either 1 of two things:

1) It is not as dangerous to speak in the streets as some say. You are able to bring well thought out, provoking debate without the fear of reprisals, and the many people who say street talking gets you killed, are wrong.

2) People who feel 'direspected' by what Chuckle has said and have not acted against him show that Chuckle is right, that people are too fearful to stick their head above the parapet.

So which one is it?

2) If the most interesting thing that has happened in God knows how long is someone pointing out that nothing interesting has happened in God knows how long... then I reckon we've got a problem.

I agree with this. It's quite the problem that this is probably one of the more interesting things that has happened and peope are finally coming to the streets to say something. I also agree with most everything that you, Chuckle, have said. I never interpreted it has a 'call to arms' or whatever bullshit.

I feel that it's more of calling out the silent-ghost-type crewleaders that are pretty much anonymous. You could probably name a few crewleaders and half of us might say "who?" That is so sad. What's even sadder is when some of these leaders do not even do their threads announcing their recent boldy attitude. That truly blows my mind. I'm not bothered if it's a few days later, but not at all? What the fuck? Are people really that lazy? I mean come on. Can you not even put SOME effort into your leadership?  

Although, I did feel that your first speech, Chuckle, seemed a bit of a rant and a big 'fuck all of you, in your faces' type thing. But perhaps that it wouldn't've garnered as much attention. One does have to do something drastic to stir up this stale place. 

Because that is what it has become. A gigantic stale craphole. People just waiting for others to either retire or slip up or finally do something, which is unlikely to ever happen. 

"Because that is what it has become. A gigantic stale craphole. People just waiting for others to either retire or slip up or finally do something, which is unlikely to ever happen. "

BULLSHIT!!  There are tireless and dedicated people working hard, with limited resources, to take out ensconsed leaders and breathe life into this thing - the underground groups that have sprung up.  And for taking a stand we get called terrorists, we get bloodline hunted and barred from cities, crews and other venues.  And Chuckle, you aren't blameless in this persecution.

We all need something from this life we choose, whether it be financial gain and the trappings it brings or the power to call the shots, or just some way of flexing yourself that is not easily catered for elsewhere. Some may be more than happy to sit back and let it happen around them, occasionally throwing in their support for their crew and city as and when required. I believe the essence of what has been suggested is a fundamental part of the makeup necessary of any mobster worth his or her salt.

Now let`s be honest with ourselves here.........what is actually happening? Anything?

Are we to be content with the lack of activity from the top? Is there really a fear to come to the streets and say what you think? Have we got that comfortable within the confines of our orthopaedic chairs and carpet slippers? Does the fear of losing everything mean that you would not stick your neck out for something that is essential and necessary within our society?

If the answer is yes to any of those questions then I for one would question whether you have chosen the right career path.

I am more than happy to fully support the words from Chuckle. I see it too. The lack of verve that is necessary to keep this thing of ours spinning is more than apparent. There is a sense of complacency which is something that ultimately leads to stagnation and discontent, the thoughts of which I find particularly alarming I must say.

This is an honourable society, the values and standards of which we all should be capable of upholding. It is also a hard, unforgiving and lonely place for some. A place where you live or die by your actions, succeed or fail by your abilities, and fly by the seat of your pants when confronted by another member whose intentions are of a similar nature. This world needs the entrepreneur, the self made men and women who wish to build an empire of their own. The political animal whose sole intention is to succeed whatever the price, the one who would rule by the sword and quite happily lay down their life in the defence of their autocratic lifestyle. It is not just a case of making room these individuals; it should be a prerequisite in order to maintain a healthy balance of personalities.

Now I haven`t been as vocal as some in these streets but, enough is enough. It`s time something was done about the current state of affairs. I too would ask all those individuals who have the power and authority to make a change to take a good, hard, long look in the mirror and ask themselves this question;

Do I really look good in this suit, or is it a reflection of someone I`d like to be.

It's about time... It's about fucking time.


It's about time someone came out to the streets and showed that you are NOT going to get killed for voicing an opinion, especially one that garners so much approval from the masses. You can disagree with a high ranking mafioso in the streets and get a debate/difference of opinion back from said person rather than a bullet. Lastly, you can't sit back and do fuck all without people realizing, eventually getting on their last nerve and then bringing it to light. I'd go as far as saying that these people know who they are. So I have a question for any of them that may actually read this.

Do you agree with what has been said? I bet a part of you does. Are you going to do something about it? No, I bet you're not.


I used to be an avid street speaker back in the day, but I will admit. Since my family line has come back to this thing of ours I just can NOT be bothered. I can not be bothered reading the drivel that is sprouted these days, shitty RP this and dough'fucking'nut that. The only thing that brings me mild entertainment from the streets these days is The Chuckle Knuckle and Kuklinski's useless crock of shit. Then I was told by numerous people "oh you can't post this or that or whatever, you'll be shot for disrespect". Bullshit. If this discussion brings nothing back other than making people realize that they can come to the streets and they CAN question something respectfully then at least it will be a start.

As for the main topic. I remember a day when you were authed (among other things) for your ability to make a change and stand out. Everyone wanted to be the best city and most respected so the mentality was "I'm authing you, I think you've got something different, I think you'll do something with your boldness" whereas from what I see these days it's more like "Oh i'll auth you. You have given me no trouble or disagreements and you're a safe bet that you won't get me shot". What ever happened to authing the Fakeman's, TeQ's and a FEW other people who would stand out from the rest? It's all about living as long as you can rather than actually living.

Its clear you’ve got a high opinion of self worth Chuckle, which is admirable sometimes bordering on dillussional. Have you thought that not everything and everyone revolves around you. Maybe not everyone cares if you remember them or not, and that not everyone cares that you don’t care... you get this jist

Are some of the leaders anonymous, possibly. Could they be doing more with their opportunity, possibly. Are most people, crew leader or not, insular to their HQ walls and city boundaries, possibly. Are most people, again crew leader or not, happy with the status quo in fear of repercussions, again possibly. But then again I don’t have eyes into their HQ and neither do you. They could be the best and most inspirational leader their family could wish for.... who knows. Just because their not sending you a daily memo of their activity and bowel movements, doesn’t mean they’ll vanish into anonymity, to you maybe. Certainly not to the people who actually matter

And to those who come out here like lemmings with pitch forks hanging off his every word as it was automatically the divine right. I would suggest taking a closer look to home before pointing the finger. I agree I could do more but what have you done? how have you improved things? let me answer that for you... nothing!. If he jumped off a cliff would you hang onto his shirt tail

The leaders aren’t here to service your entertainment needs or to provide you with tomorrows chip shop wrapper. Why do you have to be bold to make a difference, because of ‘fear’ of upsetting the apple cart... what a lame ass excuse

As Chuckle has mentioned, its possible to initiate sweeping changes without being a leader. If Chuckles ancestors can do it, whats to stop any of you from doing it... agreed I include myself in that bracket, but why does the buck have to stop at the leaders, whats to stop any of you approaching your crew leader with a ground breaking thought or an idea, or to bring it to the streets table to garner support?

I’ll tell you why, because its easier to sit there on the sidelines waiting in anticipation for the pied piper that is Chuckle to come along, throw the customary fist in the air routine, spouting  the usual ‘the streets are dire, everythings boring’ routine. To then return to the warmth of your HQ ready to jump on the next band wagon. Repeat cycle

I applaud Chuckle, I applaud his achievements and I happen to agree with a lot of the principles he holds, but maybe its time that not only should the crew leaders take a look in the mirror, but all of you do aswell

Oh, and let me know when the next issue of the Knuckle is due and i’ll be sure to come out onto the streets to do a skit especially for it

Jono, i love you.

I'm in agreement with Jono here. Long gone are the days where people had balls, as are the days where Leaders were just that.

When I first came to these shores our world was a very different place. People spoke freely and with respect. Leaders made regular visits to the streets and most importantly they stood up for what they believed in. What do we have these days? Fear!

People are scared of dying, They jack up their defense with 100's of bodyguards and don't talk to people outside their own exclusive little circles for fear of reprisals.

It's about time you people got your shit together and grew a pair. Hiding behind bodyguards isn't going to make this world a better place. Not speaking isn't going to make this world a better place. All that's happening is this world is becoming stagnant.

When this I arrived here i never dreamed that a person could survive for 2 years and now, due to the attitudes of people, the likes of Prem and Roman could live for the next 10 years.

People are scared to be different, scared to stand out. Man the fuck up.