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| A fresh start or not | Started by: Alfonzo on May 11, '08 02:36 |
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It was only a matter of time really before this discussion hit the streets. Based on my lineage i imagine my stance will be pretty lucid, but i think for clarity sake i will restate it. Whilst I am not my father, I have inherited very many of his traits, I may not necessarily think like he does all the time, but underneath it all. It is the very nature of our world and indeed the very nature of this thing of ours. That we are not so different from our fathers. Once you have been painted with the brush of dishonor once, you are typically able to gain absolution should you work at it. It is however those sons, whose disgraces continue on generation after generation then are stunned when opportunities are not afforded to them. This is not just a passing sensation, these members whom we all know are clearly inherently born with this predisposition to idiocy. It is not an ideal world where one must punish based on bloodline. But i feel if you examine all these peoples history's typically they are only sorry for long enough that they can get what they want. These people are without honor, many will say that they deserve their chance to prove themselves, I argue those without honor, who have continually shown themselves to be scum. Should be treated as such. |
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| Reply by: CommodumPerfectus at May 11, '08 23:19 | |
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So if I've done nothing wrong, just wanting to make my way in this life, I'm still going to be hunted down and killed - as evidenced with some of my more recent ancestors - and it's completely my fault for wanting to visit these parts? What? |
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| Reply by: Tys at May 11, '08 23:27 | |
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Walks in on a pretty hot debate I was wondering if the roles were flipped, and say your father had done an excellent job and was promoted to high ranks within in the family and was trusted with great secrets of the family, eventually he dies due to fault of his own hey these things happen right? So he had a family and one of his offspring comes looking to you for work, now since his/her pop was very good does this guarantee his son/daughter is going to be as good? Does he/she ride the wave his/her dad left or does he/she have to start from the bottom and be treated like an outsider until he/she proves themselves? Or is the bar actually raised higher as their pop set such a good standard they have to do more to prove themselves worthy? Robin sits back down enjoying the fresh crisp air listening to the birds sing their song |
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| Reply by: RobinBanks at May 12, '08 05:51 | |
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As you have shown, RobinBanks, there are two sides to every coin. In this thing of ours the son or daughter is quite often treated differently based on who thier parents were. When this person has come from a lineage of well trusted people, they are automaticly well trusted it seems. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this, it's a fact that it happens. So, why is it people cry so much when people that come from a lineage who have shown time and again that they will break the rules and continue to do so, are treated with caution? It should be of no shock to anyone that you can't trust someone who's parents were untrustworthy. However, one thing I do not agree with is the hunting of someone's blood line purely because of a personal grudge between the two parties. That has happend to a great great grandfather of mine before and in the end it forced my family to leave this thing of ours for a long period of time as they were fed up loseing family members to this person and thier grudge. |
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| Reply by: SecondaryInfantry at May 12, '08 07:20 | |
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Well I see a lot of experienced faces around here, a lot more than my families face, and no doubt they have become victim to this very debate, but if we bring it back to basics and look at it from this angle; I bet most of you own some form of pet; I own a 3 dogs all brothers I bought off one of the local businesses. Now if one of them bit me or my son I would have no problem putting him down as he lost my respect he could well bite again no? Do you put his other brothers down for his actions? At the end of the day the potential to do wrong is there, they all share the same genes, if he can do it then the others have it in them too. But does that mean they are going to do it to? Seeing their sibling get shot in front of them not incentive not to do it? We nor our fathers, mothers, sisters or brothers are exact clones we live and learn from others and hopefully our own mistakes. I believe like many people have stated that there are a lot of variables that come into play, each case is different. If someone gets caught by scamming a few locals, heck he is trying to make money is that not what we are here for? No doubt it deserves a punishment but when it is compared to someone betraying the whole family and jeopardising every member's life by running his mouth and break Omerta then I believe a more serve punishment is in hand. My family is young I am the first generation into this world and no doubt that I will die before my time, I will do my best for my family but I hope my son is given a fresh start and not forced to live in my shadow. |
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| Reply by: RobinBanks at May 12, '08 09:02 | |
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Ah, a fresh start. No matter what is said here and what is done to try and give people this it shall never happen. "Why", you ask? You cannot stop one from thinking what he wants to think. You cannot stop prejudice, thoughts, or anything of the sort against you. THe most you can do which I highly reccomend (for those of you who have had a bad record) that you work your ass off till it hurts. Prove that your father's actions were wrong. You have to merly just put time, effort, and perserve into becoming one of the of best mafioso known to walk these streets. You not only need to be a street speaker, but a man of honor and his word as well. It is propostorous(spell check) to even bring this idea out in the open. Some things are better left untouched. Nothing shall change from this debate my fellow men. Their is no use in beating a dead horse. I hope that those of you who have trouble from your father's mistakes learn from them and make them better. This should be a debate on how to help those that are judged prematurely and need to make a better name for themselves and their family name. I am sick of people whining about prejudices and hopeful fresh starts. It'll never happen, suck it up, rub some dirt in it, and walk it off. Just make lemonade out of the lemons your father left you to juice and grow wings to help you soar to new heights my friends. |
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| Reply by: Martin_Torres at May 12, '08 19:38 | |
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Give that kid a chance I was that kid once I made a dumb mistake and my worse mistake was maken that mistake and if i was looked at diff from what i did I wouldnt be here right now and something we may do with out meaning too or we understand the whole family thing but some things get were you think maybe what they decided isnt good enough for me so you take it in your hands...Its nothen against the family or none of that but some times its personal justice... I dont know thats just my idea |
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| Reply by: JohnnyTorrio at May 12, '08 19:38 | |
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A lot of very interesting and different views here from all different mafioso from this country.. As a leader of a family of criminals - leaders are often exposed to this issue and must make a decision which will either help them if their right but hurt them if they are wrong. We have a small arsenel of tactics we can deploy - which I dont go deep into as we are in the public and we dont bring business into the street when its not for the public to see. You know we could disarm em, keep em at a lowly job (rank) for longer than normal..etc etc No matter what tactic you deploy in the end you can still get burnt. Its a tough decision and one that is a gamble.. but some say life is a gamble and sometimes the gamble pays off or lose..and we all know in the business we work in - when you 'lose' you take a swim capeech' To all new mafiosos, listen to those above you and check out the opinions of those above you and then make a decision if you will follow the rules or not. (It could lead to one boring lonely life.. or a great life of crime.. you take a guess) Takes a drink from a glass cup he is holding..swallowing the cold liquid slowly and letting out a sign of relief.. Im off to the casino to 'place a few bets' ill be back later to hear some more comments Wanders back into the Casino |
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| Reply by: Alfonzo at May 12, '08 19:47 | |
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| You know if new upcomers is to read this im going to say this listen to your boss maybe you wont like it maybe it didnt turn out the way you wished it would have but if you noticed this guy is running a family he's not some street gangster or earner he lived through that ever wonder why cause he is just that damn good and for you to think his decions is dumb just show's how much stupidity is in you.... DO WORK | |
| Reply by: JohnnyTorrio at May 12, '08 19:51 | |
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