Squishy can we get a confirmation on this statement from the Distance post, please? 

"As an existing CL, moving your HQ into a different home city, your modifier will slowly ramp up to your new city's location over the course of 7 days, as it degrades form your old city."

^ Currently people are able to move HQs and (seemingly) immediately thereafter they see the distance hindrance go bye-bye. Is it supposed to take the 7 days to go away fully? 

`Currently people are able to move HQs and (seemingly) immediately thereafter they see the distance hindrance go bye-bye. Is it supposed to take the 7 days to go away fully? 

Only members can do that at the moment. Not sure if its intentional but that's  also how it is worded on the post. 

Goblin aye just wondering if it's still the case for CLs - as I sort of recall* Marston moving HQs two or three times during one of the semi-recent wars. 

*Maybe he dropped HQ and re-set up though? 

The math here is not one of my stronger suits. Based on what I have seen off and on overtime, there are ways around the distancing particularly in regard to East and West Coast cities.  And I imagine the good idea put forth by National there will be a way around that too.

I do question the strength of the maxed defense mechanism and couple that with well managed IWP bodyguards and regardless of the distance factor should not be a one shot deal. Did we not bg wave years ago before we could get the kill? 

For more than a decade, distance has been a thing behind the scenes.  Your current location matters.  Your home city matters.  These things have been in the code for literal *years* prior to the Distance Matters thread you are quoting. If we ignore trying to put an RP spin on the wording, allow me to rewrite it:

from: "The further you are away from your home city, the less your rank is recognized and therefor, the less effective their gun/defense is the further away from their home city they are. .... The closer you are to your home city, the more your rank is recognized, and therefor, the more effective your gun/defense is."

to: "The new math we will use for wack takes into account the differences between locations and home cities more so than before"

Does this fix your first point?  Would you like me to repost it with corrected wording to settle your 1st argument

So then how is it our fault we misunderstand the things you mean if they are worded wrong? How are we supposed to gauge what RP is coded and what is not? 

  The game would be better if you didn't die 5 times in a row by some group that you literally have nothing to do with, pose no threat to, and don't even want to interact with.  Some people play this game as a zero sum game, in their mind for them to win others need to lose. 

Maybe that was a poor choice of wording, allow me to reword it to "Scorched Everyone But Us" or "Scorched Continents As A Whole" or "Scorch these 138 people because of 2".  Does that change anything? 

This does not happen and has not happened in years, I mean Curtis just lived to take GF lol, that is the point i was trying to make.  Neither of these things are prominent lmao I(one of your most hated players as your would say) just lived well long enough to kill someone if i was building, I died because of a comment I made and I knew I would get killed. People war for reason not everything is a purge , accounts live long these days scorch anything simply does not happen anymore. 

You cannot get 138 people online for a capped rogue you think you have 138 worthwhile accounts to kill in any singular city? This is not 2017   

Recently there was a rogue that shot and missed 2 people.  Was it from distance? Its easy to blame it on distance.  With the new knowledge that they would have failed if it was in the same city, and they still would have failed if they had 3 million more kills - does that change things? Yes?  No? So go back and think how many times you have attributed things to distance that may not have been.  When your knowledge of distance is severely colored by incorrect interpretations of what happened with the math, yeah, I will say you are doing the math wrong.  It's not an insult, its me correcting you so that you have a better understanding of how the game works.  Removing distance would not change a significant amount of the misses that get attributed to distance. 

 Not arguing the math after distance was Live  I made it very clear we do not know what it is. It is very evident the player base does not know as they express this to you by bitching as you say. There was a time period that hustle was implemented and distance was not yet live, we did not see nearly as many misses as we do now, with people being 103 D and the player base having a higher player count, you would assume there would be more missed from 103 D back then.  If something is live in the background and we the players do not know, I'm not sure getting upset is the correct response, when we express our opinions on something. Telling us "you don't know the math is belittling" , obviously we do not know the math only you do .  Now that we are on the same page here, I'm willing to bet more than a handful of players could tell you they knew what they needed to hit pre distance, and after they are unsure. I'm sure plenty of people would love to know the math to see if you are correct, we cannot pretend you have always coded things as you have worded them. 

ere are a few facts to help you work out what I am talking about.

There are currently 20,887 1% shots currently in the database.
  - This means that there are 20,887 shots that - no matter what they rolled, they rolled a 1, therefor, its an auto hit regardless of the wack vs defense math.

Of the 20,887 1% shots, 189 of them were from an account that had less than a 0% chance of killing their target.
  - This means no matter how many times they roll, they will never roll well enough to get the kill other than the 1%)

Lets drill down to just this past 1 year:
There have been 2,854 1% shots in the past year.
Of the 2,854 1% shots, 17 of them were from an account that had a 0% chance of killing their target
Of those 17 shots, a 3 were pretty close (Meaning a handful of additional kills and they would have had a postive chance of an actual non 1% success)
So of the remaining 14, most would have taken place during a war.
Let me guess, the fact that 2,854 1%s happened was off your radar?
But you noticed some of the 14 that died.
And you noticed they were during wars.

So why do 1%s happen so often during wars?

 

 

 

It is our hopes that this will balance all the cities a little more and provide a safety net for those who maintain a distance from each other.

My main point was not the math, my main point was the free blanket of protection everyone gets , that has no RP sense to it and has 0 fundamental value as all it has done is frustrate your community and completely kill the middle guns participation in war. I can elaborate on this but i feel you will just call me a crackhead . I mean this when i say this I do not give a fuck about distance, my opinion on it stands as I said but it would not hinder me from playing the game if i wanted too. Distance is not the cause of that, that would be the lack of new things to do, or the fact that jailing is still the only real activity to do here.  Shit is boring, I enjoy talking to people more than playing, I'm sure many feel this way.

Dude, do I need to put on my mittens when dealing with your brand of snowflake?

You came out swinging with a fight to pick from the start, I gave you as much respect as you deserve.  Don't lump in others without the same history of problems with yourself, that's just being disingenuous.

Look how emotional you get.  You took everything I said as disrespect because of the player who said it. I pleaded with others to speak up but everyone would rather not deal with you. I wish you could see peoples honest opinions about the state of the game and how stale it is . I come here and open up the door for conversations on  improvement on something I don't even fucking play seriously. Just because we got some solid ass people here who I know enjoy the game/community, but would rather not deal with this. Stop with the bullshit about the past get over it. I have not build in years I do not play your game seriously, if you think I am advocating for these changes for myself you are just fucking crazy.  I have never once personally complained to you about math, I have never had an issue shooting. The people you are referring to that bitch is the rest of your player base not the guy who hardly plays. I know you would like to use me as a scapegoat and that's fine go for it but I'm telling you right now as long as I don't get banned because you feel like it, I'm going to keep creating post like this until you get off your ass and create something better for the players. 10 years and the only new shit we got was hustle, took 1 year before you put that shit for sale, not even a new fucking color on the UI, but let me guess its coming out in the new game.  I really hope you don't DD me as i haven't said anything even remotely as disrespectful as you and I have a lot of suggestions I been getting together from players, to help make what's left of the community enjoyable in some sense. 

While we wait, would you like me to go back and make those wording changes?  Sometimes trying to word something in RP misses the mark. I get that.

No Izzy I would like you to stop being so emotional every time I critique something lmao. You called me a crackhead twice now and you know I only smoke weed, however you have a plethora of players here who struggle with drug abuse, how about keeping them in mind when insulting me next time. Call me fat ass instead, its got more flare to it. Crackhead is ghetto. 

Has anyone actually ever hit a 12 hour without leaving the crew and setting up?

This will be the last I say on the subject for now, but overall I think the biggest problem with this is it's not fun.  Whatever the reasoning, it's painful and agonizing and absolutely 0 fun.  And the fact that we all know the 'work around' (really the exploitable bug that is allowed), so clearly something is not right.

The game, for all intents and purposes, would be better if you could isolate yourself from the people you do not want to interact with. The game would be better if you didn't die 5 times in a row by some group that you literally have nothing to do with, pose no threat to, and don't even want to interact with. Some people play this game as a zero sum game, in their mind for them to win others need to lose. Some people play the exact polar opposite. The goal is to enable a way to meet in the middle by providing a way to allow for both to coincide. If you don't like group A or B, go to the other coast where they and you are not as big of a threat towards each other.

How's that working out for you? When it's just a case of leaning on that cities uppers to shoot that person anyway. The few deaths we've just seen for example...... so while I get and understand the rational... it just doesn't work.  The player base will never accept the game split into 2. 

People are too scared to loose thier account for a feature like this to ever actually work. 

 Not even gonna respond to the distance stuff because you are just so out of touch with your game I cant deal with it. You do not play, I don't expect you to understand why the players do not want distance. Plus I have no plans on coming back after my year is up, the owner of this site is just a raging lunatic. 

I am not getting upset at a player not knowing something, I am getting upset of having to keep dealing with your attacks knowing that if I remove you from the game (like you should be) that you'll start your little rampage again and release nudes of players that don't deserve it, followed by multiple harassment campaigns years in length - its just who you are and what you do.  Your constant jabs are just uncalled for man.  I do not like you, at all.  And you do not like me, fair enough.  But for the love of god, just be a better human and leave and when you do, try not to harm all those you hold hostage on the way out.

 This is untrue and you posted a reply but DD me before i could respond to defend myself. I have never threatened a player with nudity here.  I have never used nudes as ammo to hold anyone hostage . You think females are sending me nudes knowing I might hold them hostage with it? LMAO dude you are legit either a retard or just confusing me with someone else. Honestly i cannot tell. 

I do not like you, at all.  And you do not like me, fair enough.

No here is the truth, I do not mind you at all. You have this idea in your head that I am here to ruin the game or sully the playerbase. I am not sure if another player is telling you this or you just assuming. However its just not true, I loved this game for a point and time. But look at how you come out here and attack me and still I have not even got nearly as disrespectful as you. You do not like me because I troll some of your friends to the point it makes them upset and I'm sure they bitch to you. Those players are 10x more toxxic for the game than me and im not sure how you cant see it. All this animosity you have towards me is because what i say to others on main. Nothing else as i hardly speak to players outside the game. You are the developer it should not be like that. You have to stop having these issues with players. You are legit speed running the death of this community. When you get called out on it you throw numbers out there like we are fucking stupid and don't play the game. You don't have active players most of the base is IA. Half the solid players don't want to play because of you. Not distance izzy. YOU, how you operate things, how you said you would not get involved years ago but alas get involved every chance you get. 

you going to come threaten to kick my ass again?

No Izzy I think you are just a lunatic and I  feel bad ever threatening you. Its obvious something is wrong with you and has little to do with me. 

You going to charge back your vacation and make me pay for it?

You DD me 3 months later, over an opinion, tell the full story. I also dropped the charge back after we spoke and gave you the money? 

You going to threaten to release nudes of the women who made the mistake of believing you were not the predator you are?

I have never done this You are confusing me with another player, like I cannot stress this enough Izzy. Every single female that has sent me nudes in the past has no issues with me.  This has never been something id do to get back at a female. I don't even share with my homeboys. 

followed by multiple harassment campaigns years in length

To who? Tell me the player I have been harassing for multiple years. 

You? I harass you for years? No Izzy you say something out your mouth that you'd never say in person and I get upset and respond accordingly. That is not harassment.  

So what player have I harassed for years?  See you don't even know me . Not a single player on here does, I hardly talk to people outside here. Anyone who has spoken to me on voice , knows I just want better for the community. Anyone who has ever been on discord with me can attest to this. You just see me rage on main and think damn he hates everyone, you are an idiot man stop holding me to shit i did years ago its silly.  You know nothing about me I have spoken to so many of your friends on Discord and get along with them fine. You just do not like me reasons you cannot explain. I mean be real man your very first words to me on this site were "I have heard of you and not good things". Stop taking opinions from other players whom may or may not like me based off in game choices. All in all , you are just an unprofessional/soft ass admin, who plays favorites but pretends he does not. It makes me sick people still spend money here and you do nothing for the community. Guy reskins an event and we praise him like hes the most creative person on the planet. Those events are dog shit , No one wants to afk shoot for 24 hours. You could help make this community so much more enjoyable for players but you don't speak to them lol, I do that's why i speak up.  So many suggestions these players have but they are afraid to talk because of shit like this, so I come out and speak because im accustomed to fucking dealing with this shit, its as if I'm the admin now .  So much wasted potential because the owner and lead developer is just to emotional about certain players giving there opinions. 

Izzy stop with the bullshit Focus on making the game better so more people come back. All that other shit is for the birds, You are the owner act like it. Act like the player base matters. Not just the 15 people you like .

You also just banned me for 0 reason as I did not disrespect you nor did I harass anyone in the community. Your reason for my DD holds not substance because it did not happen. This is to let the players know izzy can and will DD you whenever he feels like it, if he does not like you don't invest in his game it is a waste of time. I am not the only player this happens too. Look last year.

Im looking at it from a gun point of view because thats how I choose to look at it. Alliances are alliances and those will always be a random factor thrown in. Its not a constant, gun is.

A gun is no longer a constant when the player base is confused on the mechanics behind it. You dont know the math on distance we have discussed this before. The feature of distance does not serve its orginal purpose as space has said multiple times. I will correct myself if I said everyone I should have said a vast majority of the players I speak too on here.  I'm quite unsure how any of us can appreciate  a feature that would require your entire upper structure to setup should you wish to attack. It is absolutely goofy from a gun perspective.