To be honest here, you have to see the light from both sides. Pharol might, well I can see is a strict leader. But for someone to join your family and then leave is blatant disrespect. And I can see his point. But then again a person that's pretty much new to the game who might not have fully understood the rules should be shown the ropes. If they leave the family not fully knowing the consequences, then well it depends on how the crew-leader sees it and the situation. Not in any shape or form am I trying to tell Pharol how he runs his family. How he runs it, is how he runs it. But if I were your CL. Then i'd let you join that family. BUT. I'd have a word with you and your crew-leader. Telling you that what you did was disrespectful after I went out of my way to give you protection and respect from other mobsters. And then to be betrayed is not something I would like. But the fact that your new, I willl allow you to leave. I wouldn't ask for any recompensation. Infact i'd give you advice.

But the main person in question here, shouldn't be the crew-leader. And it shouldn't be the lovely arabella over there. But infact the sponsor. To pretty much scare the shit out of a possible newbie is not something I would take light and pretty much take advantage over their vulnerability. Is not something a sponsor should do. The whole point the sponsor should ask questions is to prevent things like that happening. So in this case I think alabella has done nothing wrong. The crew-leader has done nothing wrong. I.. honestly blame the sponsor. But that's my opinion. Again. this is has all been opinionated and hope that what I said doesn't get taken into the wrong context. Just simply trying to work out who to point the finger here as the alabellas blaming the CL. And the CL's blaming alabella. No-ones seeing the middle-man.

Salvatore, hugs his coat tighter and his fedora hat down low. And stalks off in to the shadows. 

|Salvatore|

yess panopticon i'd click and move on if i was a tad experienced eh, as far as im concerned this just seems an attention seeking whore, in my experience only when i was new here i spent hours reading rules tutorials etc. why should the lazy be treated different?

Raffa_, offering some clamency and being merciful never hurt anyone.

Panopticon, I told Hypno I didn't want her back, and I didn't care if she lived or died. Plus, I make it a point to interact with all of my members; so anything she didn't understand would've been resolved very quickly had she stayed. I didn't "throw her in the deepend". She jumped in the deep end.

Panopticon, you have blatantly disrespected one of my advisers. I suggest you apologize. Sasdin didn't disrespect you, despite the fact that you are only a mere Gangster. He countered your opinion with one of his own, without hurling insults.

If i'm honest you're all out here trying to cover each others backs because you know you're in the wrong. Member whoring is wrong for a start and the rest is just beyond fucked up. No doubt you'll be calling for my head next for disrespect.

It's not about laziness, it's about being helpful and pointing people in the direction of the tutorial etc. People don't sound fit to be sponsors.

africanus in some respect we are here to run a business if even the simplest people cant comprehent this then what chance do we have? its not been nothing difficult to follow pharol was never in the wrong

Your Ma didn't know any better and was killed. Rightfully so. But now you do. Lesson learned.

Whether or not your bloodline is new to This Thing or not is irrelevant. Along with whether or not the Earner that recruited your naive mother briefed her on what she did was acceptable or not. Shit the trunk of my Family Tree knew better than that when he came to these shores and didn't need any Earner to tell him that. He had common sense.

And by the way, plead for her life? Begged not to be killed? A thug? That had committed three crimes?

Pathetic

Pharol. I will apologise for nothing... what happens if i don't? Have me shot? Thats gonna do me so much harm. I might just kill myself IRL. Maybe if your advisors spent so much time advising new members you wouldn't be having your affairs traipsed into the streets. Practice what you preach laddeh, Practice what you preach.

panopticon you just want an argument common sense required here if you cant READ then its someones on fault...did you do that first time you were here? did i? no...know why, cause brains are needed my friend city jumping after signing rules...pleaseeeee im i wrong in saying that should be the norm?

Cover what? I didn't make a mistake here. My RH made the mistake of inviting her, but that was at her request. How are we supposed to know she would actually want to be in another crew? There was no "member whoring", and "the rest" is arabella not paying attention and not even reading what she was signing. I STILL didn't call for arabella's head, and I don't give two shits about yours.

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

Arabella was told by your earner she should hurry and sign for your family. Read the original post.

I'd call them member whoring and praying on people. I don't give two shits about you if i'm honest. It just makes me laugh that your family members are fucking up already.

I think back to my family's journals and the tales of the first ancestor who stepped off the boat and worked for the Lopecci family out of Los Angeles. He stumbled into the streets and insulted Nick Corelli. Some would of argued he was in the right (Cough*OOC: tiggy, Prem), but it was unwarranted disrespect and my first ancestor apologized and moved on to accomplish things. If he wasn't offered clamency and was killed for his sins, well perhaps I wouldn't be standing here.

*Corelli = Corleone

what if she was told to hurry and squat jump or jump of a bridge? would she have? stop excusing a common mistake for whatever issue you have? how about going to make something of yourself rather complain about issues you have no right too

I'm not excusing her or complaining about what has transpired, she is in the wrong. Asking people like you to be more open-minded and merciful. So hop off my dick.

She was told to sign the rules, Panopticon. Everyone in my crew is told to sign the rules. I told my Left-Hand-Man to sign the rules, does that mean I member whored her too?

You really don't get it, and you probably never will. We followed protocol; she didn't. I was pretty lenient overall, and yet I'm portrayed as a tyrant. Maybe I am a tyrant; but that's how I run things. If you don't agree with it, fuck you.

Have a nice day.

you jumped into this debate africanus not me in any case i wasnt even talking to you your dick means nothing to me

No... fuck you. I understand perfectly. I myself have led crews, been a hand. I've worked with some of the finest, most competent players this world has seen and fortunately i haven't had to work with you.

Your earner was outright member whoring so don't come out here trying to bullshit me or anyone else 'cos quite frankly is doesn't wash.

Fuck you, i hope you have a shit day.

so you are mad that you got recruited and chose to leave? number one, leaving a crews is a sign of huge desrespect. it's vener taken lightly by any crewleader. number two, everyone tried to recruit new men on the streets so much as their HQ prohibits. and your upset because you picked a crew you knew nothing about? why not contact your friend before joined up with Pharol? number three, slandering any crewleader's name in the streets (especially mine) is completely idiotic and disrespectful. if i were you Arabella i'd keep my head down, hide myface, and stay the hell out of philly. out of all honesty it would be an easier road for you from now on to just kill yourself, come back as a new person in the streets,and don't talk ab out anything your mother has done. again, you are not welcomed in philly, i cannot promise what would happen to you if you returned.

Panopticon, i can honestly say i never met someone with as bad an argument as you have. The original post in this forum is from an upset little girl who didn’t have the hindsight to find her friend before signing up with a crew. She joined, signed the rules which everyone does (mind you, I never felt pressured to do so, I did it out of respect). I am a very good acquaintance of AnthonySolerno, he is not the kind of man to pressure anyone to do anything. And then she leaves the family, and act in  which every crewleader deems disrespectful. Every crewleader in the cities has rules and in my opinion everyone should sign off on their bosses’ rules. And a big one, the biggest in my mind, is Respect. Respect the family, the boss, and respect everyone in the streets, which is something she nor you have done here today. You openly choose to slander a boss, my boss mind you? Don’t come do Philly if you don’t like the steak. In fact, don’t ever come at all.