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| Made Man References and our world today. | Started by: AnthonyGreen on Jun 05, '08 16:37 |
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Do you have examples to give Anthony? I find it hard to believe any leader would tell their members not to be a reference to others. |
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| Reply by: SecondaryInfantry at Jun 06, '08 09:34 | |
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This whole thing of ours is about the interaction. It's about the people you meet; the friends you make; the contacts you develop and the opinions of those who see you around in the streets. Sure, we rob some stores, deal some drugs, make some money along the way, but that's not what it's about. If in the 2 weeks you could potentially be ready for made man you haven't made enough contacts/friends to get the required recommendations, I strongly advise you work harder. The more you put into this life, the more you get back from it - if you make minimal effort, then you will see minimal returns.... starting with not ranking past Wise Guy. |
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| Reply by: Rick_with_a_silent_P at Jun 06, '08 09:44 | |
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| Yes, it has actually happened to me. Crew leaders don't want their upper structure giving out their references. They just don't want to lose valuable people. | |
| Reply by: AnthonyGreen at Jun 06, '08 09:45 | |
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Crew leaders gain strength by having more higher ranks in their headquarters. It goes against their interests to hold people back "just because" If you've been held back, they probably have other reasons for it. There's plenty of people ranking fast, and not stumbling at Made Man, so perhaps you should be asking yourself what more you can do, rather than blaming the leaders or the system. |
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| Reply by: Rick_with_a_silent_P at Jun 06, '08 09:54 | |
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i feel as though i haven't actually given my full opinion on the matter. It's a good system in theory but i think it needs amendments to make it better. I really have nothing against it i just wanted to see how the community felt about it and as i presumed, the community is torn 50-50 on the subject. Some hate it and some love it and others aren't even effected by it yet. The fact of the matter is, you can be a really active person and still have trouble getting people to vouch for you. Some just plain won't vouch for anyone and others would but their Cl's won't let them. There are few people who seem to be willing to give out these references and it seems as though the numbers keep shrinking. to the people that hate it: The system won't be abolished, so don't hope. What would you like to see done to it to make it better? to the people that love it: Why is the system great the way it is and are there plans of improving the system down the road? |
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| Reply by: AnthonyGreen at Jun 06, '08 10:02 | |
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The system doesn't need improving. People who are struggling need to raise their game. |
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| Reply by: Numbers4Glory at Jun 06, '08 10:09 | |
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Abacus and Barrow, Rollin with the bitches. I AM BARROW |
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| Reply by: KingofWheelbarrows at Jun 06, '08 10:32 | |
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| Im not a fan of the three references either, just the way it is now,not sure who introduced it i the first place,i suppose you might genuinly know three high ranked people when it comes to the time for made,but if you dont then the best thing to do is kiss CP ass-which is what people do anyway.Or become fiends with them,or your leader,(who is CP anyway).so yeh if you ask me,just play the game,see how far you get,and do whatever it takes to get up there. | |
| Reply by: Spartan at Jun 06, '08 10:53 | |
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Barrow, take your medication my good man! tosses the king some happy pills Anothony, when I was asking for examples what I meant was... Did your leader specificly say to you "I don't want you to put your name down as anyone's reference"? Oh and please don't feel like i'm attacking you here with my questions. I just simply want to clarify. |
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| Reply by: SecondaryInfantry at Jun 06, '08 10:56 | |
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1st. You only need a reference from one person over Mademan, not three, the other two can be earners or above. 2nd. Of the current leaders and Captains, only two are CP, five are not CP. 3rd. You don't have to kiss CP's ass, you have to kiss the ass of your references. 4th. What game do you talk of? I though we were on the street just talking? 5th. I'm hungry. Walks off to get some food. |
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| Reply by: _Rhuarc_ at Jun 06, '08 10:58 | |
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1st. You only need a reference from one person over Mademan, not three, the other two can be earners or above. 2nd. Of the current leaders and Captains, only two are CP, five are not CP. 3rd. You don't have to kiss CP's ass, you have to kiss the ass of your references. 4th. What game do you talk of? I though we were on the street just talking? 5th. I'm hungry. Walks off to get some food. haha,did you enjoy that.ok so only one from a mademan,my bad...who cares,i dont.,so only 2 are part of cp? ahh.when i was last playing im sure they was all part of CP,saying that there are new leaders i suppose.thing is i was leading on to other issues,which i shouldnt,just goes to deep.my point is,if you are part of CP,you wont need a reference.and for he average person wo cant get three references,what are they going to do? yes theres the option of getting to know three people,that might not want to risk it anyway.if im honest i dont give a crap how the rules are,just sharing my thaughts. |
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| Reply by: Spartan at Jun 06, '08 11:09 | |
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I really wish you wouldn't. Your "thoughts" just made me lose 5 valuable seconds of robbing old ladies. Sighs |
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| Reply by: SecondaryInfantry at Jun 06, '08 11:11 | |
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| no one likes a smart arse | |
| Reply by: Spartan at Jun 06, '08 11:15 | |
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1st. I did enjoy it. 2nd. It was your bad. 3rd. I don't think the leaders have ever been 100% CP. 4th. CP do need references, I used to collect them and everyone who has required references, CP or not, provided them. 5th. Those who can't get references should try harder, Mademan is an honor you have to work towards. 6th. I like lists today. |
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| Reply by: _Rhuarc_ at Jun 06, '08 11:16 | |
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4th. CP do need references, I used to collect them and everyone who has required references, CP or not, provided them. that 4th one right there.....not to sure about that. |
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| Reply by: Spartan at Jun 06, '08 11:18 | |
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| It's 100% fact, not that it needs to be justified to you, I just want to clarify it in case others are thinking the same. | |
| Reply by: _Rhuarc_ at Jun 06, '08 11:21 | |
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| ok just one question Rhuarc,do you believe the rules ever get bent? | |
| Reply by: Spartan at Jun 06, '08 11:25 | |
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Of course rules get bent. In the time that the referencing system has been up, do I believe people have been Made without the correct references? Probably though I know of no such cases. Has a member of CP ever been made without the correct references? No and that is the truth. Now I have a question for you. Do you dislike the referencing system which this conversation is about? Or do you dislike CP and are using the referencing system as a means to vent at them? I suspect the latter. |
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| Reply by: _Rhuarc_ at Jun 06, '08 11:30 | |
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| you're close,but i dont have a problem with this CP reign,it just gets me when they bend rules,which iv seen first hand with different things,including this reference thing.I wouldnt mind the reference rule,if it applied to everyone,thats my argument,iv seen a someone go rogue,and references to that rogue not be killed,and someone give fake references,and the fake references be killed because a member of CP wanted target practice.even after all this shite and talk,i still dont care if CP run the game blah blah blah.but im starting to believe just now,the three reference rule is a shitty rule. | |
| Reply by: Spartan at Jun 06, '08 11:40 | |
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OK, I still don't agree. I think the CL should get to know his own family members well enough to know if he can trust them or not, and not put anyone else's life on the line because that person brok the trust. Lets say that I really trusted this one person, he seemed to be nice, followed every rule, but from the start he knew in his mind that he wanted to go rogue and kill someone, but he did't tell anyone. So I vouch for him and when he finally gets made he he goues rogue. Should I really be killed for that? |
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| Reply by: Cassidy at Jun 06, '08 11:41 | |
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