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| Attending the funerals of rogues | Started by: Kira_Esposito on Jun 19, '08 16:39 |
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Help me out on this one. How many of you here (or maybe your parents) have seen rogues pop up, die, and then passed by their funerals? On the way to church, sometimes I have indeed passed by the local funeral parlor, just to see if anyone I knew had passed away. At times I see people openly say at funerals, "Good job, xxx" or, "We'll miss you xxx". I can understand if these were civilians or even thugs who are not affiliated with any crime syndicate who are making these comments. But most of the time, to my surprise, are people who are part of La Cosa Nostra. The very same group that the rogues were shooting at and trying to kill. I am not saying that you shouldn't feel sad that they died. But I think there are more discreet ways to do it. You can send the grieving family flowers, or visit them at their homes. Wouldn't you be afraid that if you openly support a rogue, even in death, that your leaders would suspect that your values aren't one and the same as the organization? After all, there is some truth in the saying, "Birds of a feather flock together." |
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R.I.P ROGUES. Lays flowers on each of their caskets. :) I think that was pretty discreet. |
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| Reply by: HairyMuffin at Jun 19, '08 16:45 | |
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Perhaps, and I certainly agree with you for the mourners who say "Sad to see you go." But I don't often go to funerals and when I do, many times its to see for myself that a rival has fallen into The Deep Sleep. I don't need to piss on the grave or disrespect the fallen, but sometimes it does a heart good to see someone who decided the rules didn't apply to them get their final come-uppance. Comforting in a way. Not all who flock to said funerals were supporters, but certainly it does raise the question when people mourn and grieve for someone who could have destroyed their family where the true motivations and loyalties lie. These people should be suspect at most. Then again if the betrayal was unexpected and close bonds ruptured due to the violence, it can be understood that those in power would question why, and want to remember their former compatriots positively, even with the wounds of backstabbing fresh and unhealed. We all seek closure, but for those who merely sneak where the bold confidently step, it would be wise to tread lightly. |
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| Reply by: Traviata at Jun 19, '08 16:46 | |
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| Even rogues have friends and family, if our beloved Jonnie had failed, he to would be considered a rogue, But many would still stop by his grave to give their respects. This worlds moved by rogues as much as the leaders them selfs. | |
| Reply by: Surrender at Jun 19, '08 16:49 | |
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I agree with Traviata, there. This was someone who was trying to kill you're family, which, in a way, means he was trying to kill you. So to say "Sad to see you go" seems very odd. But, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here, so play along. I think the main reason that someone may go to a funeral and "mourn" the death of a rogue is not because they truly are sad to see them die, but instead they have ties deeper than that. The deepest ties there can be. Blood. I think these people have connections to this rogue deep in their family's roots, and therefore perhaps they are "sad" to see a "blood brother" (to simply give it a name) die. |
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| Reply by: Rubik at Jun 19, '08 16:49 | |
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| I think the hardest part of dealing with the particular subject, is the fact that these rogues, more times than not, at some point, were our friends and fellow family members. However at some other point they decided to put themselves ahead of the family, and that is unacceptable. I do not attend these funerals, I am sad that they made the choice they did, but that was their choice to make. | |
| Reply by: Nicholas at Jun 19, '08 16:57 | |
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Rubik, I touched on that point a little bit, but I'm afraid I still have to maintain my position that blood brother or not, how should your leader view someone in his organization mourning at a deceased enemy's funeral? It calls into question the mourner's loyalties, history, integrity and motivations. Your personal history becomes null and void when you join a family. So if someone from your distant passed is killed due to actions that were harmful to your leader, and you mourned them, it seems perfectly justifiable that your leader would look upon you in a light of suspicion. |
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| Reply by: Traviata at Jun 19, '08 17:47 | |
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It is justifiable but it will happen, simply because some loyalties are stronger than others. Those that like to shack up in the coffee shops will have their own personal agendas and this is just not acceptable, examples must be made. I say anyone who supports the rogue openly is likely to have helped said rogue or at some point will become a rogue themselves. Rid the world of any rogue supporters. |
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| Reply by: Elias at Jun 19, '08 18:02 | |
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Supporting a rogue in there funeral, to me, is like slapping the face of your crewleader... This guy decides that everything your family stands for is junk, and your leader isn't worth the bold suit so he decides to take it upon themselves to fight against it. Then he dies and you members go to his funeral and say Sad to see you go.. ???? Are you joking... I am very glad to see him go.. Glad to see him dead.. Glad that the hard work of my family kept it alive and yet there are some that seem to forget jsut what the fuck transpired moments before the persons death... Supporting rogues in funerals is retarded, it basically is saying "hey good job although i didnt have the balls to stand with you when you gave it your all" I don't have any rules for this in my hq but from now on.. It won't be tolerated.. I don't like people being nice to those that tried to kill me. |
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| Reply by: Animal at Jun 19, '08 19:51 | |
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| I agree with Animal, it's a very diosprespectful thing to do, commiserating the deaths of people who tried to kill your own don, you may as well have joined up with them. | |
| Reply by: Dante at Jun 19, '08 20:20 | |
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People will honor those whom they believed fought bravely in a war. And to me after talking to at least one of those rogues while trying to make sure the family was safe as our dear Boss was sleeping. The certain rogue believed he was entitled to do what he did, to continue fighting a war that quite frankly had nothing to do with him. Because despite my suspicions about both of those who went rogue yesterday they were left to live because of this "innocent" bullshit that had been forced on us by the people who kept bitching, but maybe now you can open your eyes and realize that not every single member that came back as a zombie is "innocent". I've always believed there was two types of rogues, the ones like yesterday that only wanted to kill a few leaders out of "boredom" like one of them told me. And then you have those who fought as brave soldiers after their leader had died. The latter, I will always honor as great and loyal soldiers no matter what family they come from, but rarely do I ever visit their funerals, unless he or she was from the same family as the one I came from, it's out of respect and loyalty for the family and the Boss that I represent that I avoid the funeral of someone I held highly of if he or she went rogue against our family. People who go to funerals just to say "Well done" - "Great job" to a rogue, and especially if said rogue was trying to kill their leader... I hope you bite a bullet, 'cus to me you have no respect for the one who kept you safe for this long nor for the family by going to condone the actions of someone who was trying to kill your leader. This equals betrayal in my opinion. And betrayal equals death. |
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| Reply by: Valiant_Luciano at Jun 19, '08 20:23 | |
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I would have to say I agree with Animal too on this topic. How does it look for a family to have their members encouraging and congratulating the person who has gone rogue after the fact? They may have completely destroyed families, even your own family, and you congratulate them? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Rogue A kills or tries to kill X family head. Person Y from X family goes and congratulates the rogue. Person Z from R family does the same, even though X family is allied with their own. See, doesn't exactly scream loyalty and support for your family. If you wish to send your congratulations to said rogue why not do so to their children or siblings in private upon their entry into the world instead of disgracing your family and leader by doing it in a public place? If you wish to do it in public be ready for the repercussions your actions may incur, which may include death, demotion, gun being taken away, or cleaning the crew toilets. Simple as that. You are in a family, you are supposed to be loyal and support that family.. Not a rogue. She smiles with content and wanders off. |
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| Reply by: Iris at Jun 19, '08 20:31 | |
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Oye, rogues are horrid little lazy bastards, at least after they die. I figure it simple. There's a certain point in time when a rogue stops being a rogue, as Jonnie_Reese has done. But, then theres times when the rogue dies before accomplishing his or her goal. You are horrible, ignorant people, whom could have easily waited a bit longer, trained a bit harder, or done a bit more work to get what you wanted. Death is the only option when it comes to rogues. Someone will die. |
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| Reply by: Trevers_McCock at Jun 19, '08 20:43 | |
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Rogue or not, these men and women are still people. They are still part of our thing. Wither someone breaks the omerta, is caught with the bosses wife, or simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are part of our thing. The decent thing is to comfort the family and friends of the deceased, honor the m honorable portions of their memory and hopefully any returning kin will learn from the mistakes made. As far as congratulating them on their mistakes... that's a different story, something I don't agree with... but When it comes down to it, the funeral home is personal place, where family and friends mourn the passing of another. It's a sacred thing and politics has no place thereof, so I'd layoff with the boycotts and the banning black flag. Nuff respect. |
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| Reply by: Lucky_Lombardi at Jun 19, '08 21:26 | |
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"When it comes down to it, the funeral home is personal place, where family and friends mourn the passing of another. It's a sacred thing and politics has no place thereof, so I'd layoff with the boycotts and the banning black flag." I have to....disagree. The funeral home is a public place, where any passerby can listen into everything that is said there or even speak up. And if you're saying ignore anything that is said there, even if it's condoning someone's actions against your own family. Although you said you don't agree with it you still have no problem with it it seems... And I think you just entitled your leader to slap you in the face with that insult. It's a sacred thing when it comes to showing respect at a funeral and not being a retarded grave pisser. But when it comes to going against your own leaders beliefs and the family's, I believe he or she has the right to punish you for whatever you said that went against that belief. Just because whoever died was a friend, does not mean you go to give them props for something that will make the family look bad, if you wish like so many already said, show that respect to their next of kin in private, but as long as all that is done in the open, you can always expect someone to be outraged by what has been said, or even a Mafiosi's presence at a certain funeral might piss someone off, no matter what you say. "They are still part of our thing. Wither someone breaks the omerta, is caught with the bosses wife, or simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are part of our thing." "Were" is the exact word, they're no longer part of La Cosa Nostra, and if they died with their honor intact so be it and they should be honored for it. If they broke Omerta one of the most sacred rules in this thing of ours, why would anyone pay their respects to them? And if they slept with the boss' wife... Are you kidding me? The boss would blow your head off if you went to pay your respects to such a man. |
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| Reply by: Valiant_Luciano at Jun 19, '08 22:00 | |
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Perhaps you see some contradiction in my words... well I don't. Whispering at the coffin and offering congratulations for their sins is something I'm not into. It's wrong. Your dragging politics into it. A funeral is about saying good bye. When it comes off to calling off your complete attendace... well now. As I said, it's not a place of politics. Friendship is friendship, and business is business. Once the person of question is dead, well my business with them is over... it's time to mourn a friend. I'm not going to break my back for politics sake. I'm given an invitation to attend public calling hours and burial, my traditional prayer over the casket and comfort offer isnt going to be interrupted over the sake of politics. |
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| Reply by: Lucky_Lombardi at Jun 19, '08 22:36 | |
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And what happens if your leader is questioned about one of his members, because his member chose to attend the funeral of a rogue. Be it a friend or not, you put the safety of your leader and the family as a whole on the top of the list, family does...NOT come after friends. If a leader approaches your leader about your conduct within a funeral, and what you have said, and said leader wants you dead for your words.... What option do you think your leader would choose? Risk his entire family, for one member who should not have attended a certain funeral. Or kill that member? Politics...like it or not, will always be there. |
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| Reply by: Valiant_Luciano at Jun 19, '08 22:42 | |
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Lucky, in the mafia world, everything you say or do has to do with "politics". Perhaps you feel the way you do because you have not gotten your button as of yet. Without disclosing details, pretty much anyone will tell you that being part of the Family is all about making choices...who or what affairs get priority when it comes down to it. But what I can say is this. When you wear your family tag into a public place and say things that makes people wonder do you recognize that what the deceased did was wrong or question where your loyalties lay, it makes your family look bad. So if you put the needs of one above the needs of the many...what does that say about you, sir? As I said, no one is saying not to mourn over these people. But there is a way to do it. And it doesn't seem that you quite get that (yet). |
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| Reply by: Kira_Esposito at Jun 19, '08 23:02 | |
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Jennifer enters the street to hear a touchy subject that has caught her appeal. Attending a rouge's funeral is like asking be shot. Whether you know them from the coffeeshops or not, every offspring doesn't reflect their fathers or mothers feelings. They chose a choice to go rogue and they have discraced their families and all families. No respect and no loyalty. Jennifer climbs back into her Fore model T rather upset and speeds off. |
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| Reply by: Jennifer at Jun 19, '08 23:20 | |
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So jennifer does this mean your asking to be shot? I never expected to see you here. Sleep sweet dear. *lays a rose on the casket* Reply by: Jennifer at Jun 19, '08 01:57 You said anyone attending a rogue funeral is asking to be shot |
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| Reply by: Jonnie_Reese at Jun 19, '08 23:52 | |
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