DickDickman,
You say you didn’t see an argument, yet you keep writing essays trying to outrun it. And as for “if if if,” you seem to have spent a remarkable amount of time defending against a point you insist doesn’t exist. That alone says plenty. For someone calling this speculation, you seem oddly invested in arguing every inch of it. The more you push, the more it looks like the criticism hit exactly where you don’t want it to.

I’ll leave it there before the silent spectators run out of popcorn.

What point was I defending against, Matteo?

Since I know everyone likes my input. 

Killing Chicago for not being trusted is valid. 

Killing Chicago to clear the way (to auth Caveman) is also valid. 

The Plumbers definitely were involved. 

Communication would not have resolved the issue. 

This was not a purge. A purge is something much for focused and targeted. This was a takedown, a wipe, near scorched earth. This is a common and valid practice. 

The failure here is that Chicago's core disappeared the other week. I previously noted that many of Chicago all fucked off to NY, even some uppers. This was a signal. What was left were outsiders from the people in power mostly. They were the odd men and women out. No real connection to another city. No guardian angel.

Chicago should have realized this; that they, as the remnants, were not protected anymore, and should gone on the offensive. The alternative was this, being removed without a fight.

Always try to shoot first or die with a whimper. 

*Finds an old letter from his old family member*

From: Yankee
Sent: Apr 21, '26 22:38
Subject:

When I was asked about Chicago, I said I didn't care other than two people :(

you & jeff.

You claim everyone shared the same thoughts, but the letter I found tells a different story.

FMP is clearly an agent provocateur sent in by the Plumbers. He's a big Kuku guy. LonelyWolf, lay a BIG hammer on this nerd please. 

Krusty, that is very solid documentation, but what if the question being asked of Yankee was 'Who would you like to have murdered the most?'

If I were to lie, that is certainly not the method I would choose. There is no benefit or advantage for me in telling lies.

Of course there is Krusty, why else would you have shared it if not for some personal or public benefit? You've brought private correspondance to a public setting because it speaks to a point you're trying to make. I just wondered if perhaps the context changed the tenor of what was said.

For example, what if the question being asked of Yankee were not, 'What do you think of Chicago?' or 'Who would you like to have murdered the most?', but 'Is there anyone from Chicago you suspect might be a member of The Plumbers?'

That would land you in some pretty hot water, being part of a group like that, you and Jeff both.

You know what, I’ll search my entire family property to find the rest of the letters. That will prove I’m not lying and that what I say will always be the truth. I’ve never told a lie to anyone. that’s just not the kind of person I am. 

George Washington said the same thing, yet had wooden teeth. Do you have any proof you're not a member of The Plumbers? Mails can be doctored, they can be sabotaged. If I were to share this, does it make it true?

To: TextBasedMafiaRPGMan
From: DetroitSimon
Sent: Apr 21, '26 22:19
Subject: Chicago

***Mass Mail to crew members of DetroitSimon***
I have a startling confession to make to all of you. 

I am a member of The Plumbers.

I am going to purge TextBasedMafiaRPGMan. 

I love Burgerhousing.

DTLV-Si

You be the judge. The truth is conditional. What reputation do you have to stake? You're an unsponsored gangster. You have no name. You could share anything to benefit yourself and make others look bad.

What if I simply came out with something like this:

To: TextBasedMafiaRPGMan
From: DaveGoggins
Sent: Apr 22, '26 10:49
Subject:

I kiss myself in the mirror

Then what? Is is true? Probably. 

Still waiting for Matteo to kindly inform us what point, or argument, he claims I was trying to outrun by using big words. Accusations and wishful thinking are not points or arguments until they are supported by something other than the remnants of what you find in your asshole. 

Hi Krusty. I see you out here, practically begging for guidance. That's what I'm here for.

You know what, I’ll search my entire family property to find the rest of the letters. That will prove I’m not lying and that what I say will always be the truth.

The only thing that would prove, or that you are proving, is that you cannot be trusted with private correspondence. Your revelation in the mobmail isn't quite the flex you think it is, either. Yankee was saying, basically, there were only two people in the entire city he thought were worthy of saving. That isn't a glowing endorsement.

As Yankees plea for ceasefire travels across the country, I can't help but be reminded of the little pig squeal of a voice I hear every morning when I wake.  It's Yankee bagging for the shots to stop.  Terrified to die like a weak pathetic snake, leaves the vibration of sound coming from he's plea for help.   

"What ever happened to "I rather die on my feet than live on my knees?"

 

To be honest, I'm still not sure what Loathing means by any of that.

As for the others, I definitely would have loved to see my good friend Slade & Jeff do well in Chicago, as they were the only people my lineage had any real friendship for there and didn't know anyone else to the same extent there.

I’m just catching up on this, I made Jeff aware a week before this happened it was coming. Let this be a lesson to be learned by all, if you know you’re going to die, sitting by hoping they change their mind or hoping that because people have died they won’t have the gums to now kill you is never the proper path. In life you have two choices be proactive or reactive, being reactive here means hoping they miss on you. Be proactive and take your life into your own hands.

That is hard to hear. Whatever will we do without your incredibly misguided takes?