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| Standing Up | Started by: OhCrap on Aug 27, '08 15:25 |
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A few years ago, 1910 to be precise, a man by the name of Emiliano Zapata played a key role in the Mexican revolution, you can look up the details of this rebellion for yourselves, this isn't a history lesson. He just came to mind because it was he who coined the phrase; "Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado" Not recognising it? Okay, for the non multi-linguists out there; "It's better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!" Ahhhh, there we have it, the heart of this little show. Let me tell you a story. It is the story of a man many know as Clipper, a two-faced backstabbing wee shit if ever there was one, I know, but it is with him our tale begins. Daera, Don of The New Scum founded his family on the premise that nobody would be pre-judged. Everybody gets a fair chance to prove themselves worthy... there's a conversation down the road about New Scum's unwillingness to promote just anybody to the rank of made man, and given Clippers family history you can be pretty certain he had to work his backside off to get his button. He earned well (not enough) donated well (still not enough) helped new would-be hitters get started, showing them the ropes, teaching them the techniques. He also sponsored a considerable amount of crackdowns in Daera's quest for Don. In short he did all we asked of him, and more - he earned it. The amount of conversations we had where he expressed, seemingly heartfelt, gratitude for the opportunities we gave him were, we thought, genuine. While there was always a risk with his well-known genetic deficiencies that he would betray us, none of us actually believed he would. So it was quite the slap in the face when I popped into the headquarters the other day to discover he'd packed his bags and left - worse to find that he had taken a shot at our one-time parent family, the Java Cartel and killed a friend of mine. Anger and disgust coursed through my veins, but most of all it was the disappointment that got me. Needless to say I immediately went on the hunt for him and whatever members he had at the time - but no sooner had I discovered his location than the silly idiot tried a shot he was nowhere near ready for and died when the bullet ricocheted from the door frame back into him. Good riddance to bad rubbish. While all of this was going on, there was the inevitable hunt for his pro-wackers. Those people who helped him into hiding between shots. The first unfounded accusation was Jason-X who quickly proved himself innocent. The next was blade... and here we come to the crux of my problem. Blade was accused and asked to fire a shot at FlyingPig to prove his innocence. As he is too low a rank to try such a shot without auth, he had to ask Monk, our Left Hand Man to authorise the shot. Unfortunately Monk had eaten some bad food the previous night and was, at the time, busy praying to the Porcelain God. Monk not being around to auth the shot Blade asked SoundWarnings (Iris' LHM) what he should do, as one cannot pickpocket if one has shot in the last hour SW suggested he mugged someone who was around at the time to prove his innocence. He asked Premeir if he would mind, Prem gave him the go ahead, job done, innocence proved. It is now Mr Pig comes into the divinelunacy coffee shop, a place where many of our alter egos while away the time. The feds know this and have the place bugged. For a small bribe I have been able to obtain a transcript of what happened next. Just for clarity's sake, I should list the alter-ego's of those involved here. Sticks|tacobell is Blade's other worldly personality. FrankieFigs is Soundwarning's. (Sticks|tacobell) Dude prem (Sticks|tacobell) can I shoot at you to prove im not proing clipper? (Sticks|tacobell) My gun is shit (Premeir) lol (Premeir) yeah sure (Cruel) lol (Sticks|tacobell) you in det? (Premeir) yeah (Sticks|tacobell) Success! That bum forked over $5000. (Sticks|tacobell) SEE EVERYONE (Sticks|tacobell) IM NOT THE DAMN BAD GUY (Sticks|tacobell) Did I stealth you prem? (Sticks|tacobell) :o (Premeir) no - some unrelated stuff edited out here - (Camazotz) thought so (Premeir) Eepster (Premeir) did ya like the video (Eepster) i can't watch your videos (Eepster) i'm to busy checking out sticks on myspace * FlyingPig has joined #divinelunacy (Premeir) i fucking h8 u (FlyingPig) Hello Sticks (Sticks|tacobell) Hello FP. (FlyingPig) Question for you (Sticks|tacobell) Yes? (FlyingPig) Have you figured out a way to shoot at me right after pickpocketing someone? (Sticks|tacobell) erm? (FlyingPig) Because I didn't fucking ask you to pickpocket Prem (Sticks|tacobell) FP (Sticks|tacobell) Question for you (Premeir) lol (FlyingPig) Don't get smart (Sticks|tacobell) Did you notice I am a WG and you're a consig? (FlyingPig) No shit Sherlock (FlyingPig) Where did Opti go? (Sticks|tacobell) (Sticks|tacobell) I would feel safer shooting at prem (Sticks|tacobell) (FrankieFigs) mug prem (Sticks|tacobell) (FrankieFigs) or FCUK (Sticks|tacobell) (FrankieFigs) or someone thats online and can sent the WS (Sticks|tacobell) I really love the communication. (FlyingPig) Ah, thanks Frankie (Sticks|tacobell) And I dont know where fucking opti went. (FrankieFigs) youre welcome (Sticks|tacobell) Nor do I care. (FlyingPig) Oh, are you getting smart? (Sticks|tacobell) Do I care enough to answer that? (Sticks|tacobell) I didn't do anything wrong. (Sticks|tacobell) I did what I was told. (MafiaReturns) OBIT: Blade (Wise Guy) - Daera (Sticks|tacobell) .......... (Cruel) wtf! (Cruel) :/ (Sticks|tacobell) Wow (FlyingPig) Unfortunate (Sticks|tacobell) Lol (Sticks|tacobell) Wow * PDiddy has quit IRC (Ping timeout ) (Sticks|tacobell) Ns FP. (FlyingPig) Really bad timing to get an attitude man So, there we have it. For doing as asked (in the absence of anyone available to auth the shot originally requested) FlyingPig thought it was okay to shoot him as he didn't like the way he was being spoken to IN THE COFFEE SHOPS. FlyingPig is the poster child for separating coffee shops from our way of life. He is forever harping on about how they are not, and never should be a part of our Mafia lifestyles, and yet he considers it perfectly acceptable to shoot a Wise Guy in another family who objected to the sarcasm he was met with after doing precisely as asked by the LHM of Iris' family. In what world is this okay? In what world is there no punishment or response to actions like this? It sure as shit isn't this one. Daera mailed Iris about it, and got nothing, just a smart-arsed reply about Zulo (not what was being discussed) and a promise to "talk to him about it" which as we all know translates to "not do a fucking thing about it." My disappointment in Iris is secondary to the disgust I have for a world, a community, a group of leaders who allow this kind of behaviour to go unpunished. So here I am today, aware that my doom is almost a certainty for pointing these things out just to take a stand. The principle behind this means more to me than the life of one generation of my family. I am sure Mr Pig will see this as me slandering his good name, or object to the tone, or whatever reason he chooses for shooting me - and I care not a jot. I would rather not be a part of this world while actions like this are okay, my family despised it under CP rule to the point where they took a long vacation from this life of crime, and it appears history is repeating itself. I accidentally shot a sponsored inactive gangster a few weeks ago, that genuine mistake cost me use of my gun and $1,000,000, and very nearly my rank. This pre-meditated and deliberate act has cost FlyingPig.... Nothing. Nothing at all. It's okay though, he's FP, a legend. So if he does it, it must be okay, right? Wrong. It is a farce; it is a slap in the face to Mafioso who DO control their tempers on a daily basis. It is a slap in the face of our way of life, and I for one am not prepared to let it slide by unmentioned. |
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I would NOT shoot you for anything you have said here. I am not the bloodthirsty animal you seem to think I am. Let's put things in perspective. A member of YOUR family killed a Boss from the Java Cartel. That same fucktard also took a shot a me and another from the Java Cartel, missing both shots. Even though perhaps neither suspect had prowacked Zulo, it is quite possible that they were in Detroit for that purpose. That is speculative, and I will not dwell on it. So, amid this turmoil, I enter the coffee shop to ask a few questions of Blade. I am a Consigliere for the Java Cartel, and it's RHM. Blade was a Wiseguy. As far as separating coffee shops from elswhere, that ship has sailed. The coffee shops are now integrated with this world, and no matter how long my ancestors fought this from happening, WE have made it come to pass. That argument no longer holds water. Many times I was about to allow him to vindicate himself by showing me evidence of the mugging attempt. It was on the tip of my tongue many times to provide evidence. Each time I was about to request it, Blade got a smart assed attitude with me and I forgot about asking him for evidence. He could have spared his own life with a bit of respect. You're a boldface liar stating that you went on the hunt. You did no such thing. So then, while PHILLY members were putting their lives at risk to clean up YOUR MISTAKES, another one of yours, Blade, gets snippy with me. At that point, I had about enough shit. He died. Fucking lolz. Speaking with Blade's son, it was apparent that he didn't believe it was necessary to show me any respect. _____________________ To: FlyingPig From: Sticks1988 Subject: I better watch where I step so I don't step in the bullshit. You don't make my rules. You are NOT my RHM in my family, therefore I don't have to back down from you. _______________________ Is this family policy? Is respect only due to members of your own family? I think not. The asshat died for being ignorant about the importance of respecting one's superiors. Now then, considering YOUR FAMILY has attacked The Java Cartel, it is pretty ballsy of you to come out here condemning me for taking the actions I did. I really don't give a flying fuck what justification you had for promoting Zulo to the the rank you did. Crewleaders have died for such mistakes. It was an irresponsible action and Daera should feel lucky to have this huge mistake overlooked. *I* cleaned up your fucking mess with the help of Kangaroo. You did fuck all. Now you want to come out with the finger pointing. |
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| Reply by: FlyingPig at Aug 27, '08 15:51 | |
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The second Zulo bought out, he was no longer a member of MY family. Or do you think that I said to him "Hey Zulo, just for kicks, why don't you attack the Java Cartel?" So... what. I'm not supposed to give people chances? Really? That's what your saying? I should ABSOLUTELY judge people on who their family is and NOT what they've done for me? Zulo was an outstanding member of my family, and NOONE was more pissed at him doing this shit than I was. You shot someone for being snippy in the Coffee Shops after he did exactly what your family LHM told him to do. Go ahead and blame me for obviously ordering Zulo to rogue you, because knowing me that is exactly how I operate. But don't even pretend that there isn't a double standard here. Coffee shop actions are different from street actions... unless you say they're not. |
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| Reply by: Daera at Aug 27, '08 15:56 | |
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Daera, I know you didn't order Zulo to do anything. I am also willing to overlook any decision that you made in putting trust in him. However, it is pretty presumptuous for OhCrap to come out here condemning me when it was MY family who was being attacked and MY family who took up the responsibility of killing the attacker(s), while absolving yourselves of any responsibility in the matter. You are responsible for the actions of your members. That is a well settled principle. |
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| Reply by: FlyingPig at Aug 27, '08 16:02 | |
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And Zulo died. Jason_X died for supporting Zulo in his funeral. Blade died for.... doing what your LHM told him to do and being somewhat snippy at you in the coffee shops. One of these things is not like the other. |
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| Reply by: Daera at Aug 27, '08 16:04 | |
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| One is the most serious offense. One is the least serious offense. The third is in between the two. ALL of them are worthy of a bullet, under the circumstances. It was really bad timing on Blade's part to disrespect me while my family was being attacked by a rogue from his family. | |
| Reply by: FlyingPig at Aug 27, '08 16:07 | |
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(FlyingPig) Hello Sticks (Sticks|tacobell) Hello FP. (FlyingPig) Question for you (Sticks|tacobell) Yes? (FlyingPig) Have you figured out a way to shoot at me right after pickpocketing someone? (Sticks|tacobell) erm? (FlyingPig) Because I didn't fucking ask you to pickpocket Prem You entered the room, and immediately starting being sarcastic. Respect is a two-way street. When faced, in the coffee shops, with sarcasm and hostility, most people react much the same way. Had he spoken to a Consigliere and RHM of the Java Cartel like that in the streets, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. As for my not going on the hunt immediately, I was around for about 4 minutes between entering these streets and Zulo's death, 3 of those were spent getting his locals, no sooner had I got them than he died. Sorry I missed the earlier parts of his backstabbing escapades, you know as well as I do that I'd have been refreshing on him alongside everyone else the second he bought out. None of us are around here 24 hours a day, and I make no apologies for having other business to attend to. As for Blade's son not being thrilled with things, are you really surprised? You'd just shot his father right after he did as he was asked to prove himself innocent. You are at fault here, FP. |
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| Reply by: OhCrap at Aug 27, '08 16:13 | |
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I've said my piece. After letting this fester for days, I came out and supported OhCrap when he made this speech. Whatever happens now, happens. |
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| Reply by: Daera at Aug 27, '08 16:14 | |
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Under other circumstances, I might not have shot him. As I stated, he picked the wrong time to get smart with me. It was a highly tense moment. I apologize for not speaking with Daera prior to taking action. It was disrespectful to him to punish his members. I do not believe my actions were wrong, only that they should have had the blessing of Blade's Boss. |
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| Reply by: FlyingPig at Aug 27, '08 16:24 | |
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Exactly the point I was going to bring up FP is I was unaware anyone had the authority to shoot another CL's member without their permission over something as mouth in a coffee shop I don't particularly want to get involved in this argument but wanted to point that out. I also wanted to point out that it was stated all 3 offenses including a RIP at the rogues funeral were worth a bullet. Yet, one of your own members who said far more remains alive. And as far as your family chasing down the rogue, many others of us were involved also. I am sorry for the members you lost but please don't make it sound like the rest of us didnt pitch in. |
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| Reply by: Alessia at Aug 27, '08 16:47 | |
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Lesson: Don't annoy people who are higher rank than you with the gun to kill you through any medium whatsoever. Indignence doesn't make it better when you are dead... |
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| Reply by: Argo at Aug 27, '08 16:58 | |
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*listens then is puzzled and has a quick questions* "So if I get in a debate with a gangster from another crew, and he pisses me off it's ok if I shoot him. I don't have to say shit about it just shoot him and it will go overlooked cause he mouthed off to me?" |
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| Reply by: RichardKuklinski at Aug 27, '08 17:09 | |
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——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time hell yeah she would. that is her biggest and strogest gun she has ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time He can do anything he wants, and nothing will happen. An ass chewing? Sure... but never an HQ Wack. Iris would go to war before Wacking FP. ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time yeah no shit , its because he knew he would get in deep shit for that . of course just a little slap on the butt. but tiggy would have chewed his ass ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time Fuck him, it was wrong. Asshole. ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time look at it again.... ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time That's a first. ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time nah i just heard that FP apologized ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time Ohh shit. You think this will turn into actions? ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time ehhhh you will see :P ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time Nah... I'll look at it thoug... is it good or bad? ——————————————————- To: ANONYMOUS From: ANONYMOUS Subject: About fuckin time YAYYAYAYAYAY dances around have u seen the street thread that Oh Crap did .... O.o ——————————————————- |
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| Reply by: -Maximum- at Aug 27, '08 17:11 | |
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| Talking to yourself again, Maximum? I heard that shock treatment can work wonders. | |
| Reply by: Daera at Aug 27, '08 17:19 | |
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I think it's a little irresponsible on your part OhCrap for coming out here and trying to exploit FlyingPig like so, matters like this in my eyes should be dealt with in a more private manner. Instead you have come out here trying to make an example out of him. Your opinion is your own and if you felt the way things were handled weren't appropriate maybe you should have spoke to FP in private and had it out there. I think the fact that you have come out and said that your death is almost certain because of your rant reflects that you know yourself you're out of line for doing this. I'm sorry but I've never known things to work this way, I perceive it to be quite disrespectful and while I may not be someone who can talk of respect much since I have not earned a great deal of it myself yet, I feel the necessity to come out here and support a family member, especially when I feel that he was right in his actions. I also just checked your badge OhCrap it says on there "Sub division of The Java Cartel". If you really are a sub division of the Java Cartel then why are you questioning their actions? Perhaps I have my information mixed up in this last question. Shrugs And alas here come the ever predicted responses of the idiots who would like to add fuel to the matter. Fun fun fun. |
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| Reply by: DocHoliday at Aug 27, '08 17:20 | |
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To voice my opinion, FlyingPig, what you did was wrong and you should be punished. You showed disrespect to someone, they returned the favor. You can't play the "respect your superiors" card once you've been dis-respectful. You over-reacted and you abused your power, not that of a RHM but that of a shooter. I vaguely remember you speaking about hitters and responsibility some time back. On another note, -Maximum-, I would expect Iris to protect her RHM at all costs, he is her most trusted member and advisor. Of course, this does not absolve him from punishment, though Iris will still be well within her right to defend him. |
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| Reply by: Forsaken_Angel at Aug 27, '08 17:21 | |
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Let me make this clear. FlyingPig has apologized. That is all OhCrap and myself were hoping for. Any further punishment, or further "OMG FLYINGPIG WAS SO WRONG" or "OMG OHCRAP WAS SO WRONG" is not needed, nor requested. Thank you. |
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| Reply by: Daera at Aug 27, '08 17:23 | |
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| Was this all a cunning slice of PR? | |
| Reply by: LoveAndKisses at Aug 27, '08 17:27 | |
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| Daera and company were out gunned on this one and though I don't think the death of a wise guy would have lead two large powerful families to war, coming to the streets with this, for whatever reason, was in my opinion a shrewd move. FlyingPig was clearly in the wrong but due to his position and influence he is, for all intents and purposes, above our laws and what was done today was the only recourse of a family wronged in such a manor. | |
| Reply by: Strabo at Aug 27, '08 17:28 | |
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"Can I be the first one to say, what the fuck does that have to do with this -Maximum-?? You have a told us about a meeting (that you probably had with yourself in the mirror) about FP. It has no insight to what happens, it just airs your opinion. How about next time you put a little thought into it eh?" "Like Daera said, Oh Crap came to the streets to accomplish something and he has. FP has honourably came out to the steets and explained his actions. Daera came to the streets and stood by his RHM (like a true Family Head should) and Alessia put the icing on the cake by bringing another Dons insight into the conversation. It was solved amicably and without bloodshed." "Have I missed anything out? Is anything else needed? Probably not." |
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| Reply by: DrBunsenHoneydew at Aug 27, '08 17:58 | |
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