Ten, I suggest you wait until the war is actually won and finished, then maybe something will be posted. The war isn't won yet, it isn't finished, so you can't expect an explanation to be posted yet.

Maybe we do have something ready? You'll find out as soon as it's done.

I cannot wait to hear you justify trashing the legacy of Godfather Marston. Can. Not. Wait.

I'm on pins and needles here, I promise.

I assure you it will be worth the wait. Honest.

Megan Fox turns her attention to her newest best friend SammyG

Sammy, you've got two of the best cities taking out one crew. How long is this "war" going to take?

After asking her question she plays a recording of the interview she's having as all the chaos is going on.

<3Hoagie: Please stop calling me kuku, it's insulting. I'm much prettier.
SammyGarcini: I'm sorry my dear. I'll be sure to address you as I<3Hoagie.
I<3H: You just said it. You heart Hoagie. I can get you a t-shirt for that obsession of yours. But don't let Apples know about it, she'll kill ya.
SammyGarcini: I'll wear it under my normal clothes like Spider Man.
I<3H: *giggles* Now, lets get down to business. The question on everyones mind.

Why was Manius killed?

SammyG: All of our feelings w ere that as soon as they (Joy Division) could hit us, they would. Whether you want to call this paranoia, doesn't bother me in the slightest. We did what we did to save our families, end of.
I<3H: When you say all of us, do you mean all of New York or specific families or specific people?
SammyG: Marston gave the order to kill Manius, and everybody that had joined him.
I<3H: Is that why Marston's RH and other members that came directly from Marston's Godfather crew died?
SammyG: He (Marston) told Nino (MasterO) to join me, and Nino had an invite from me for a good 10 minutes before he accepted one it's Manius'. If he had respect for Marston why would he not take what he said on board and just join Manius?
I<3H: Questions I cannot answer SammyG. Plus. I'm the one asking the questions today. *winks* So if Manius was always such a threat, a terrible member of the city, why did Marston let him set up in the first place. Why not give the Kurtz's crew to someone else?
SammyG: He didn't let him take the city, he thought he owed it to Kurtz an the was Kurtz' RH, because of the shitty way in which he (Kurtz) dies.

Megan Fox pushes pause on the recorder and lets what has just been said set in.

Sammy takes the recorder from her hands and rewinds the tape, as he plays it back, he gets to several stages and stops, rewinds, and repeats. A slight gap can be heard in the playback. Sammy sniggers, throwing the recorder back to her.

"I knew you didn't have anything to use against us, but really? You have sunk to the lowest level of all, modifying personal conversations to make it seem I have said something I haven't? Dear me. I feel sorry for you people."

Sammy lets out another snigger, as he smirks.

All of our feelings w ere that as soon as they (Joy Division) could hit us, they would. Whether you want to call this paranoia, doesn't bother me in the slightest. We did what we did to save our families, end of.

Piss poor.

And the fact you're backtracking and trying to justify your reasons by degrading you and your family in the streets by biting back scornfully at every attempt to bait you suggests you don't have a fucking clue, and clearly making it up as you go along.

This was exceptionally accurate. 

Yer nan hobbles up to the front of the guard to address the gathering young wipper snappers.

Let me share some of my age old wisdom with you. No one, outside of the perpetrators, will know the truth of why this took place. But there are a few things we know:

The first thing we know is that when Valmont decided to war NY/PH there was approximately 8 deaths first wave and boy did IRC avenue roar with laughter from the New Philly coalition;

The second thing we know is that NY/PH decided to war Manius' crew and there were 10 deaths first wave. What a feat for the New Philly coalition;

Yer nan takes a breather, you know getting old she needs to take her time.

The third thing we know is that with Marston down, Apples was bound to be at the centre of another power play in order to grab the reigns of the city. Do we not learn from history?

So far I haven't really said anything profound, but I saved that for last...

History is written by the victors and those kin of the losers are portrayed as "crazies", well the evidence that has been put out by the lovely I Love Hoagie is pretty damming. To dismiss it as having parts missing, but not dismissing its entirety has made it clear that there is more truth in it than they would like to let on. So I propose to SammyG, Apples and Lancelot to bring undoctored transcripts to the table to prove that this was more than a power play and paranoia, and it will have to be good evidence as with Apples being involved you can tell what the masses already think.

DanK comes to the streets from the direction of the funeral home. In his hand is two sheets of paper. He clears his throat

I have just been from the funeral home, and ripped the following pages out of the obituary book. For those that do not know, then town hall keeps a public record of all those who have died. Ever.

DanK pins 2 pieces of paper to a tree

Ricardo_Spadafora     None     Philadelphia     Earner     Dead     Jun 12, '12 20:19     Jun 19, '12 06:42
Shedao-     None     Philadelphia     Boss     Dead     May 01, '12 01:39     Jun 19, '12 06:41
Amaterasu     None     Philadelphia     Boss     Dead     Apr 29, '12 15:43     Jun 19, '12 06:41
Andy_Baader     None     Philadelphia     Capo     Dead     Apr 05, '12 11:32     Jun 19, '12 06:41
Arnie     None     Philadelphia     Boss     Dead     Apr 06, '12 19:10     Jun 19, '12 06:41
Phantom     None     Philadelphia     Capo     Dead     Apr 29, '12 07:50     Jun 19, '12 06:41

Eli     Manius     New York     Goomba     Dead     Jun 19, '12 14:07     Jul 09, '12 09:38
King_Monkey     Manius     New York     Earner     Dead     Jul 03, '12 17:31     Jul 09, '12 09:33
Master_Oogway     Manius     New York     Boss     Dead     Apr 28, '12 21:47     Jul 09, '12 09:24
LittleRed_RidingHood     Manius     New York     Boss     Dead     May 19, '12 16:02     Jul 09, '12 09:10
Cookie     Manius     New York     Capo     Dead     Jun 24, '12 20:46     Jul 09, '12 09:08
Blackshadow     Manius     New York     Boss     Dead     Jun 02, '12 08:13     Jul 09, '12 09:02
TheBaron     Manius     New York     Boss     Dead     May 09, '12 11:42     Jul 09, '12 09:01
Isacaron     Manius     New York     Consigliere     Dead     May 06, '12 22:01     Jul 09, '12 09:01
Gambit     Manius     New York     Capo     Dead     Jun 01, '12 05:43     Jul 09, '12 09:01
Drpepperwrecker     Manius     New York     Consigliere     Dead     May 08, '12 03:23     Jul 09, '12 09:01
Spider     Manius     New York     Consigliere     Dead     Mar 02, '12 21:40     Jul 09, '12 09:01
Bartimaeus     Manius     New York     Boss     Dead     Jun 03, '12 04:00     Jul 09, '12 09:01
MailWacker     Manius     New York     Capo     Dead     May 12, '12 22:59     Jul 09, '12 09:01
BlakeOakfield     Manius     New York     Don     Dead     Apr 29, '12 04:34     Jul 09, '12 09:01
Gator     Manius     New York     Earner     Dead     Jul 03, '12 20:09     Jul 09, '12 09:00
Str1phe     Manius     New York     Capo     Dead     Jun 05, '12 03:10     Jul 09, '12 09:00

Now my maths is not as good as, lets say SammyGarcini, but I make that a first wave of 6 (not 8) against a first wave of 16 (not 10). Please correct me if I am wrong?

DanK waddles back to the funeral home to pay his respects to all those who have died in New York today

Well Eli, Oogway, and King_Monkey certainly don't count as being part of the "first wave" given that they were between 20-38 minutes AFTER the first deaths.

If that's how you define a "wave", then that's just really quite sad for you.

Frankly, I wouldn't count Cookie or LittleRed either, but I'm being generous here.

But congratulations, three crews from NY and the entire city of Philly going against Manius while the majority of his crew was asleep and you killed thirteen people.

*slow claps*

Really. SO impressive.

No Dank, you are right, but does it mean that just because New Philly got 6 more kills they previously believed.

Now maybe I expect too much but with as many people as New Philly I expected more than 16 kills, doesn't really make it much better than that of Detroit's on New Philly now does it? No matter how you spin it, the effort was poor, soz.

I would just like to let it be known that I am not in the middle of this, my father died under Manius and I am okay with that but you do really have to show respect to Manius and Ire for taking on two cities by themselves more or less and killing a current total of 20 other mobsters even after the majority of The Joy Division hit squad was killed within the first and second waves of attack. That's just amazing in my eyes and even after Manius was killed Ire fights on. I would like to say that I am proud to have been apart of their crew. Let us not dwell on the past, let us focus on the here and the now and let us praise the people who died to protect what they thought was right.

Is making this personal really necessary? 

Awkward residual post

^^^ 

This guy had the best response 

*Disclaimer: It's a known fact that Apples had a high dislike to the bloodline of Dominion. If I'm making this seem personal, well Apples made it personal first. She opened the door. In no way am I viscously going after Apples personally. I'm just bringing facts, cold hard FACTS to the streets that demonstrate Apples character and part of the reason Manius was taken out. If Apples would like to take this as a personal attack she should stop being apart of the mafia. This isn't a tea party.

*********(OOC: This post had been edited. Some people don't like the use of Skype Lounge or Ex Lovers. Which, Ex Lovers is an exaggeration. Please, put your big kid pants on and stop trying to burn me at the stake. If you don't like what you read here, wait for the official reasoning of NY vs NY to come out…if it ever does.)*************


After getting her recorder back Megan Fox rolled her eyes.

Really SammyG, take your pathetic self elsewhere. Please.

She then pushed play once again. The interview continuing

I<3H: *As the conversation is being recorded in a back alley I<3H peeks around the corner and listens to a mobster bring up a name.* So SammyG, what's the deal with MariaMcKiddo?
SammyG: What's more to explain? We wiped the family clean. If Marston wanted anyone saving he would have told us when he told us to kill Manius.
I<3H: How well do you think you performed on the attack? 2 cities vs. 1 crew. The odds were in your favor the entire time. Why are there even losses on your end if you guys are so amazing and putting the city first?
SammyG: When have I said we are so amazing? Never. You again have your facts wrong, whereas two individual cities joined and attacked, it doesn't mean all the people in all the families were attacking.
I<3H: Well still the odds are highly in your favor. So why are you losing so many members of NY from your side?
SammyG: Why do you think? Having two people with big enough guns to hit our members, on more than 150 Bodyguards each, with one on more than 200, it takes time. They have more than enough time to shoot at members.
I<3H: Do you not care about those members? I thought this "war" was suppose to protect your members? I've seen wars where people go in and just destroy. One death, MAYBE. On their side. Maybe some more planning should have happened? Maybe this civil war shouldn't have been so hastily decided.
SammyG: Of course I care about those members, it is impossible to protect every single person in a war. I can assure you, that you have never seen a war where they destroyed the opposition, when they had much hired protection as our enemies did.
I<3H: *pulls out a journal* How about this war?
http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/22971

I think you guys just fail a little bit. Maybe should have stayed in school longer?
SammyG: Harsh words. Why do you have to get all mean like that? I remember when we had New York social time down at the Skype lounge. Do you now have some kind of problem with all of us? I wasn't aware of any problems we had from talking in the Skype lounge, drinking and playing games.
I<3H: Are you trying to pull my leg. Remember you attacked people in the same city as yourself. The people you call family.
SammyG: That's not what I was saying in the slightest. You really are reminding me of Kuku, you're even twisting words around now!
I<3H: I'm much cooler than kuku. Please, explain what you meant then because you obviously think I took it the wrong way.
SammyG: I didn't know you had any kind of problems with me and Apples, on the streets or in the Skype Lounge.
I<3H: You shot me. You shot my friends, my family. You shot my crew leader. I feel betrayed the people I found a place to call home. Am I not allowed to feel that way? Change my opinion of people and not like them anymore? Is this my little pony land where I'm suppose to be friends with everyone?
SammyG: I'm not saying don't unlike someone, but you were completely fine with me in the Skype Lounge every time I've been there with the both of you. At least don't be two faced and be fine to her, when really you don't like her at all.
I<3H: You're calling me two faced to Apples? Oh, that's hilarious. How about that night Apples got a little too tipsy at the local bar where all the New York mobsters hung out and ended up spilling her feelings to a man she enamored with thus him in the most awkward and embarrassing situation only to tell him how he lived his life. "You only talk to that other woman to piss me off" she sobbed. "And you have succeeded! What should I do with myself!" Then, a few weeks later the same man she was enamored with and loved so tenderly she hired a hit on him which sent him six feet under. Right, I'm the one that's two faced. Apples is a saint.
SammyG: Well, if you don't mind, I have things to do. Better things than have your voice recorder be modified to cast a bad light on me. If you really had any evidence of us being the bad guys, you wouldn't have needed to play the recorder to the public.
I<3H: I modified the recording? You were all about talking to me, explaining yourself when I didn't even ask you to. *shrugs* One last question. Why are you explaining yourself to me exactly? I'm pitiful remember? Beneath you, possibly? Why waste your time one me?
SammyG: I don't believe anybody is beneath me, or I am above anyone. Why would I? I'm nothing special?
I<3H: Still, why are you explaining yourself to me?
SammyG: Because you making accusations and assumptions. I'm setting the record straight to you. It's not my place to do it in the streets, I'm not the city head.
I<3H: Do you think the city head should have made an announcement to the streets by this point? Possibly had something ready? I remember in Detroit, Valmont had a lengthy thread ready to go.
SammyG: By this point? The war isn't over, so not by this point, no. Have something ready? How do you know he hasn't? He could have something ready as soon as we finish this thing for all you know.

*Disclaimer: It's a known fact that Apples had a high dislike to the bloodline of Dominion. If I'm bringing I'm making this personal, well Apples made it personal first. She opened the door. In no way am I viscously going after Apples personally. I'm just bringing facts, cold hard FACTS to the streets that demonstrate Apples character and part of the reason Manius was taken out. If Apples would like to take this as a personal attack she should stop being apart of the mafia. This isn't a tea party.

ponders the scantily dressed female called Megan Fox, never in this era has he seen a lady dress that way, like something you would see on one of the many caribbean islands in the heat, but in New York most of the ladies dressed up for the streets and rarely showed any flesh..... what is this world coming too....

Too many people who play this game dont know how to seperate the game from real life.

She lurks in the shadows only to hear someone's obvious OOCitis infected voice over the rest. The symptoms were clear.

Kind sir!

She waves at LeaveAWhisperDouche

Sir, yes. You. May I speak to you for a moment?

She approaches the gentleman with caution as the disease is highly contagious.. Her hand fumbling in her handbag for the emergency shot of vaccine she kept in there.

Sir, what do you mean separating 'game' from 'real life'? This is not life? These are not the moments that prove we exist? I don't know about you, but I feel pretty alive right now and I don't think I'm playing a game.

Feeling the cold steel of the syringe in her fingers she removes the protect cap and positions it in her hand for a quick stab.

Sir? You look confused by my words....

How can I be more clear? Oh, I know...

She points toward OOC Avenue and as the gentleman turns to gaze where she is pointing she stabs him in the arm with the syringe, pressing the plunger firmly as to get every last drop of vaccine injected then slaps the spot after she withdraws the needle and quickly hides it.

Oh, I'm sorry, did that wasp bite you?

I do hope that I have been some help in pointing you in the right direction.

It's a known fact that everyone had a high dislike of the bloodline of Dominion.