Wow Midol. You really gave it to him. Now lets take a minute and look at things for a second. I see a large amount of people jumping and screaming and instanly going for Vincenzos throat. Here is a young man speaking his thoughts and beliefs, and yes these may be beliefs instilled upon him from his family. His family from a different world. Now in this life does he not have the right to speak his own mind, does he not have the right to disagree, or pursue his beliefs? The type of anger and resentment I see toward him is a lot like what he is being accused of. Now this is just my two cents. Just the thoughts of a man.

Midol.... Bullshit as I remember it one of your great great great... whatevers did take over position in the crew that Great grand pappy was in as RHM.  Do you remember?  As I recall my great grand pappy killed your... yeah whatever.  And as I recall The former CL asked my Great Grand pappy wtf?

My great grand pappy said that was my position (cause he was the RHM up to that point) and no one as a Goomba is going to hold that rank in this family.

Did you ever hear what happened after?  My great grand pappy stayed on as RHM and eventually leading the hit squad that had killed many leaders back then.

As for some of you others... Well Mr tarantino what did Morning_Sins say when requesting an invite?  Seems my ingerity is on the line for this....  Lets see oh yes I have the letters that were sent back and forth right here and it looks like when asked what his purpose would be he responded with:

"I intend on owning New York or Philidelphia with your blessing of course because what I want to do I can not do alone."

Now with that being said I didnt just say invite?  Well the first letter yes but when questioned why I did respond with because.  This is because my friend sins said what he said and still got in a crew.  Glad to see some crews still screen their members was all I was getting at!

i agree guys. you have all had a go at a guy do does have a right to his opinion. However, I will defend the upper structures right to choose who they want as their Hands.  A wise man once told me that its not what you say, its how you say it. In other words, if you come off as an asshole and shoot someone just because you dont agree with what position they hold, then you will be treated as an asshole! but if you choose your words respectfully and wisely, then you will not get beheaded every time you go to the streets. On that same note though, people holding upper structure positions, should not go chiding people everytime they go to the streets ( you know who you are). 

Don, I can for sure see the point you are trying to make and, it's Impossible to deny that there is and has been a recycling of the Hands and the Leaders.  Making a Goomba or a Low rank a Hand in the Crew must bring a concern from those in the family that have been Made or higher and have previously been told they are trusted. Will it ever change? No. It won't. The people with the power to chose of course will always go to  those they trust.  I like others here are no stranger to your lineage. As Gammy alluded I don't see this issue being of a disrespect but of a matter of opinion and a fairly accurate one at that. 

Voldemort...  hmmm where to begin... Those assholes you speak of used to rule these streets and more of them because more cities were at large back then.  There fewer crew leaders and to hold such a position was not just a luxury but it was your job.  

I do have faith in some of the crew leaders of this world and they know who they are.   We've spoken and terms have been agreed on.  Now if I do end up in a crew before I pass... well then just know that karma is a bitch!

Gammy and Union_thug... Much respect!

Voldemort...  hmmm where to begin... Those assholes you speak of used to rule these streets and more of them because more cities were at large back then.  There fewer crew leaders and to hold such a position was not just a luxury but it was your job.  

I do have faith in some of the crew leaders of this world and they know who they are.   We've spoken and terms have been agreed on.  Now if I do end up in a crew before I pass... well then just know that karma is a bitch!

Voldemort lights his cigarette before speaking....

" My friend you are the Asshole i was referring to. You shot at a RH because you didnt like the fact that she was a Goomba? Dude the point i was making is that you are living in the past. come back to the present and live out your current characters life with some honor and dignity."

Voldemort pauses and takes another drag....

" As for karma being a bitch...when you get a hand position and someone shoots at you just because they dont like you....you had better hope that the person who catches the w/s for that attempt doesnt delete it. come on man, use common sense. Is bitching about what happened fixing it? doing you any good? No! let this go man and just move on....

WideAwake stops what she is doing to quickly clarify her opinion on the matter...

Earning your button and becoming a Made Man is regarded as the moment when you are able to communicate with other made men and above from a different standpoint. A crew leader who has been deemed fit by the city head has designated you to be a somewhat value to to the crew and acknowledges your efforts by promoting you. I understand the dilemma here that many people have ancestry familiar with how things work but its all about dilemma of putting someone with established knowledge in the position but at the same time not honoring the idea that you must earn your stripes before being given said power.

Hats off to Don for sparking a good debate. 

Don_Vincenzo_Cocotti, as I stated.. That was in another world a DECADE ago. Things are different here and now. That is something you need to accept. After that incident.. Which I remember the leader was not a happy bunny about.. There was a leader. His name was Ganelon. He chose a Right Hand based on rank, not trust, rank. That Right Hand went on to HQ Wack 40 members before he could be stopped. There were other instances of this as well, not all including deaths of members, but sharing of information and theft of money.

Trust.. It's an integral part of choosing those who act as you in your absence. That is a decision that is up to the leader. 

You can carry on about decades old facts and interpretations based on your old family journals or you can join most of us in the here and now. Your bloodline, as well as gammy's, haven't been a constant presence in our world and you really are basing your "dreams" on things from a different world and a different time with an entirely different kind of population.

Who are you to judge how a crew or family or city are run based on not actually being a part of things there? 

Nobody really gets that trust takes time hey??? Well if I spewed off my family history Im sure I could have been RHM at gangster if I wanted.  I always thought respect was earned but I see times are different and that bacause of who your father or mother is grants you your future here.  Hmmm... sounds like the poor become poorer and the rich get richer... no balance in the family at all?  Sounds good to anyone new to the streets doesn't it? 

When asking about a persons refences before entering a crew you should ask "hey kid, just so you know if you know no one here or have never been here before chances are you will always be a nobody."

Yup, I'm going to throw my two cents into this.

Yes, it does seem strange to have a gangster or goomba as RHM. It seems downright silly for a Don to have to answer to an Earner. But, it only seems that way.  Think about this one aspect - with the RHM's access to your personal correspondence, do you want just anyone because they hold certain rank, or would you rather have someone you trust not to read your personal mail (you know, the ones that smell like perfume).

The fact is, as my cousin Dr. Pickles will attest (being a man of science), the world here is different.  Our families define us more than our individual actions.  What we are through our bloodline is more important than "making a name for yourself."  This isn't a simple question of "does the apple fall far from the tree."  We are who our family is.  Some families work for generations to make a name for the family.  And, any benefit they reap for the ancestor's work is not necessarily unwarranted.  And, to deny the family name and legacy is foolish for a leader looking to build a strong family.

The challenge is not to rest on the laurels of your family name, but to continue their legacy and forge your own chapter furthering their good name.

So again wouldn't that be the fact that maybe some of the leaders are not getting to know their crews? I mean if I was CL I would want to speak to everyone made or higher on a daily basis, those are some of your top earners and the people who know the streets the best typically.

At the same time shouldn't the members that have the dream of wearing the illustrious RHM bullseye on their ass be actively seeking out members within their family to speak to? Should they not be going out of their way to get noticed? Why is it only the leaders that you are telling how to do their jobs?

How do you know that this isn't going on? Your bloodline has just returned to these shores, they have not been in every HQ in every city. You are making your judgement based on one experience that ended up with your predecessor dear. 

Ugh.... obviously I am beating a dead horse and some choose only to listen to what they want to hear.

One thing I do want to say is thank you to all my supporters who pm me.  I am very happy to see some people still take being a mafioso seriously but please for future reference:  Y

All i can say Don is that people here are going to as they pleased because well mainly if in power they have earned such right, and so i would recommend if you have a problem or any type of issues you see with this world of ours, build up and become someone and implement those changes you would do, yet aren't able to at the moment

I agree completely and have held the same opinion on the topic since my blood first came to these shores. It's bullshit, plain and fucking simple. If you've been established as a family for awhile and you have nobody else but a lowly thug you can trust to do a job...that says some shit about you and your family.

They way i see it is that once you become a Right Hand your Other rank is defunct as you now have a title that Title being Right Hand to the family.

If there a thug, gangster, goomba, Earner Or Wise Guy it means nothing Anymore You Respect the title if you cant respect that title then you have problems.

It has always been this way and will remain this way maybe if you work hard enough and get your own family and decide that rank is a means to and end to being your Right and Left Hand you can try that out for yourself.

Though most here will go with a friend or somebody they know they can trust to fill that position.

Maybe these lowly ranks getting assigned as right hands have improved upon their families bloodline. My bloodline was once new here believe it or not. Guess what, the first of my bloodline here, made a huge impression on people. He ended up getting to lead a crew himself. Guess what, since him my bloodline has only been getting better and better. No matter the rank, they have been better than the last. So I don't see where you're coming off as all high and mighty. And also, who's to say that if the gods hadn't put limitation on us on how quickly we could rank we wouldn't all be at the rank of Don. 

They would have never survived in the old days

 Really? You just said that? Excellent. People who throw the old days up really have no concept of the difference between then and now.

The original point raised regarding the rank of people in positions of Power was actually a very good and valid point, but the way you've gone about raising the issue and addressing the people in power has completely invalidated you're entire argument and meant the whole thing has done nothing but prove you know nothing