And who says people have not worked for there positions, just because my father mad a name for himself does that mean that I shouldn’t be considered for such positions? Because I can assure you, I still busted my ass to prove myself to my superiors, don’t blame my family line because every single one of my ancestors have worked hard to accomplish what they did.

If you want something, go get it, don’t sit in the shadows and get upset when you see the same go getters getting such positions. Sure having friends in high places never hurts, but this has always been a part of the mob lifestyle, connections, and history.

"I intend on owning New York or Philidelphia with your blessing of course because what I want to do I can not do alone."

Now with that being said I didnt just say invite?  Well the first letter yes but when questioned why I did respond with because.  This is because my friend sins said what he said and still got in a crew.  Glad to see some crews still screen their members was all I was getting at!

To: Morning_Sins

From: QuintenTarantino
Sent: Jun 17, '13 22:20
Subject:

Well, trying to go against your CL's wishes as to not shoot things, is highly forbidden around here my friend.

Things have changed since you last played I am sure, the way you go about getting your own family is by getting the authorization from myself or the Godfather of your district :).

If you work hard and prove yourself worthy though, getting your own family shouldn't be a problem :), just please be as patient as possible!

To: QuintenTarantino
From: Morning_Sins
Sent: Jun 17, '13 19:45
Subject:

I simply would like to take over... I mean earn a city myself. Though I do like Detroit, New York or Philly would suit me more for the aspirations I have.  It will take me a while I understand before something like this could be mine but I am willing to work for it and at some point maybe take what I think is rightfully mine. :)

This mail isn't hardly what your described earlier. I take it you thought I wouldn't have saved a copy of this? You simply acted like a noob who hadn't played in awhile; while still acclimating yourself to these shores. When brought to my attention that you wished to attack my friends, I explained how you went about getting a family/city.

After reading our mails between each other that day, it was pretty clear you would get yourself shot, however I am not simply going to shoot someone without them forcing my hand on it. After all, we "leaders who dont ever talk to their members", do enjoy having our HQs somewhat full.

Obviously you're nothing more than a troll, trying to make his piddle stink a little more than others, give it up kid.

Don_I_Have_An_Attitude_Problem

I am guessing when you refer to the old days people road dinosaurs etc. But then if you havent been around these parts for awhile you more than likely aren't aware of what powers a right hand man should have. Then again you talk about it taking a long time to earn respect, do you expect leaders to walk around without anyone serving in the position of right hand for a prolonged period of time?

Voldemort looks at this petty thief with a look of disgust and utter disbelief....

"what i find highly amusing is that you thought you could just walk right up to a CL and say you aspire to wage war with a city and make it your own. Dude you have obviously lost your  mind, if you think that you can just walk right up to a CL and say such things, and get into a family. what your father did was not honorable by any stretch of the word. I do not know who you think you are, but as long as you keep this  up, you aint never gonna find a home. Just one question for you...You and what army? Many of those people in each city have friends from all over our world. Get with the program!"

Voldemort walks away in disgust, stops a second and says one last thing....lighting himself a cigarette.

"oh and one more thing...here is a gift for you, your gonna need it. what you do is point it at your head and pull the trigger."

Voldemort hands him a pistol with a single shot in the chamber. He walks over to QT and hands him a cigar and a bottle of wiskey before disappearing into the shadows.

Well Mr_Pickles, are you telling me that a thug has just as much of a right to run a family as a Capo?

We are not our parents and we need to stop being treated as if we were. I can agree that we are what our bloodline has made of us. When you're "new to these shores" however, you're NEW to this way of life. It should be played out how it's laid out. Some of the same people promoting this stagnant way of life are bitching about how it's getting old and nothing is ever changing.

There are people within a family who should be able to step up and step in should anything happen. If you're RH goes down, that's what a LH is for. Your LH goes down, there should be an HSL (who is obviously trusted) to step up and assume the role. (In some cases that doesn't apply because that position belongs to a hand, I know.) the point is, there's a chain of command for a reason...

It's funny how in any other world you dont just be given stuff but here if your bloodline was someone then you become someone...  Hmmm almost like the powers that be cant be anywhere else in life cause here is all they had.  Grow up some of you fucks and get a life.  Really its funny how many of you use your bloodline to your asvantage though I bet in RL your bloodline is probably circling a trailer with 8 kids.  This place used to be fun.

Alabama you must be a child and have no old days to refer to so just go back your legos and keep your mouth quiet.

Again it is funny how much support one can get through pm and even here and yet the weak still argue.  

It is what it is and thats all that it will ever be and Im ok with that and when I die here I will still be happy with all that I have done.  At the very least some of you are thinking and maybe you'll move on to a better mafia with real problems and real situations not controlled by a few adults who where depends cause they are to busy here to go to bathroom.  

Thanks to all the supporters here and to the redneck trailer trash folk... well fuck you!  :)

Mr. Tarantino again you do not read do you or are you reading at a grade four level still?  No what I said was not word for word as to what I sent you but as it does say many times that I did want to take a city.  You must be some kind of stupid not to have figured that out... oh wait.  Also isn't funny to hear a leader say they are just happy having a full crew.  Most leaders I would think would want a solid crew not filled just to make money.

​Ragnar heard some commotion going on outside his favourite tavern and decides to wade into the debate

"Now then young Vincenzo, I call you Vincenzo because I refuse to refer to you as "Don" which is very presumptuous of you to go around calling yourself that. You say family backgrounds have no business in this thing of ours yet it is family that means everything to our people, you've never heard of someones bloodline being wiped out so there is no chance for revenge? When a Don die's his oldest son takes over the family? these are the ways of the old country where we all came from. If you want things to remain true to this thing of ours then not one person whose family cannot be traced back to Sicily from both parents can become a made man, just something to think about.

Sammygravano was walking down the street when he heard yelling he went and heard what this man was yelling about then after everyone had their say Sammy spoke up,

"You know i was going to stay out of this but then you throw in "redneck trailer trash folk" That in its self is offensive to me. 

As for the bloodlines and shit my bloodline has never had power until now. Also in the real Mafia more than likely the a son or daughter of a well respected mobster will get held in higher regards than a newer mobster.

Back to the RHM shouldnt be a Goomba this is a game plain and simple. You act like we are the real mafia if we followed those rules then we would have 1 GF per city in that case there would only be 1 DON per city 1 BOSS and very few Capo.

Now to the part where you wanted to be a CL. You have to prove you can work harder than anyone else. Most bloodlines get the position not by ordering but by showing they still work hard. I doubt any Godfather would put up a Crew leader that does not work hard.

Now my suggestion go away before you really me off and i hear another REDNECK anything on here you sir will really hate me."

As Sammy goes to get down another thought crosses his mind, "Who are you any way from what i can tell cloths all tore up and you smell terible are you that Hobo i gave $50 to the other day?"

*Ryujin_Jakka walks past hearing the debate and walks over*

"Sir SammyGravano I don't know this game you speak of as this is life to many of us hopefully us all and we only have one life to live. On to the debate, I feel as he is correct. Even if your father or mother was held in the highest of regard you do not carry the same level of trust as there are just things you can not be taught also you are not inducted into the family at a higher rank.

everyone starts off as a gangster working hard to earn stripes and the families blessing. If the family is new and started with a lowly thug or what ever the rank then that's just what they started with. for new family CL's have proven them selves to there family in order to spread their wings and progress from the outside. "

*Ryujin_Jakka stays and watches the debate*

Does anyone remember the resect you used to have to earn to be someone in a family?  Now it seems that if your father or mother was someone of importance you too can be.  Does anyone know how to even be a true mafioso anymore or are you all treading using your parents waterwings?

I seen a goomba as a RHM today?  To me that is very disrespectful to the whole crew and to any other crew out there.  How anyone with such a low rank gets such a great position is beyond me.  It's pathetic to me to think that if I had son or daughter that they might not be able to do this on their own without me creating some sort of an existence for them.  I can only pave a way for myself and teach them what I know.  I would never raise them to be the spoiled brats that so many of you are!!

Phone rings, Yes, HONEY WHY ARE YOU CRYING? "Dad... someone on the streets scares me a guy murmuring with a signboard saying "Goomba's outranked me" with a sad face on it!.

Don't cry honey, get in the car, I'm on my way.

Deathstalker quickly disappears and descend on his back, touched his hair gently without knowing.., then grabs it, pointing his razor on his neck..

Listen kid, I don't know why you came on these streets trash talking and murmuring about ranks and positions. What do you know eh?!.

Our mother, our father sacrificed their lives for the goodness of the city and its community. How can be the dead deserve a luxury? Do their son and daughter deserves the luxury? Is it forbidden to trust someones bloodline that has long proven their integrity?.

Now kid what does your father and mother contribute to the community?, a thug that has nothing to loose and about to suicide a couple of hours from now. I'll tell you what, no one would listen to your murmuring and folklore simply because everyone outranks you.

If you have the nerves and want to prove or change something, here..

"Deathstalker take away his razor and pull out his gun, gave it to Don_Vincenzo_Cocotti and said"

Here have a shot on me it's loaded, I will prove you one thing.

Even if you're a thug or a petty thief with a gun, you don't have the guts to pull the trigger on me, do you see the difference now kid?, follow your instinct, learn from it!.

Deathstalker ascend to the heaven and descend inside the car. "Dad! you doing it again?", call it a hobby :P.

The point is and will always be, you are NOT your father and will never be. You should not hold the same weight as him upon entering this world. Should people who have poured their heart and soul into this life be overlooked simply because your family held a position before you even arrived on the shore? Lets be reasonable, it's a fucking shame that there's almost always someone in line who could do the job just as well who will be overlooked for someone who in reality, hasn't proven a fucking thing.

We're spinning in tiresome circles and never truly progressing.

Reply by: Barqs at Jun 19, '13 13:15

Now whoa slow your roll there, i understand what you mean, i felt the same  not long ago, til i found a home where none of that is factual, see i found a leader that looks beyond the status quo. see not long ago, before all in this world had to make anew, i was one like yourself, but the thing i did, was build relationships, have fun, and show true efforts.So when the time came for the new era, the unremarkable and unexpected happened, those whom my connections were with, were left and who would you rather trust honestly, a stranger, or someone you feel you've known your whole life.

So in all that you can take practically from what was said, is that i am of no none relative of a former seat of power, this name is the first of my lineage. So this is the time i set the precedent for all of my descendants to come.So there is the possibility to rise to a seat, as i am living proof being the first of my blood to do so, its just earned, not taken, its rewarded, not given.

Really its funny how many of you use your bloodline to your asvantage though I bet in RL your bloodline is probably circling a trailer with 8 kids. This place used to be fun.

Reply by: Don_Vincenzo_Cocotti at Jun 19, '13 15:15

You know its funny how people start a argument and when they realize how stupid it was to start, or that there losing, for better lack of words, they begin to bring real-life into the game, i am sorry you feel this way, but this is a virtual society, its meant for fun and etc. If you want to disrespect other peoples realities the way i see above, i recommend you stop,but on that note:

YOU MAD BRO!!!!

So, I come at you with the following comment;

They would have never survived in the old days

 Really? You just said that? Excellent. People who throw the old days up really have no concept of the difference between then and now.

The original point raised regarding the rank of people in positions of Power was actually a very good and valid point, but the way you've gone about raising the issue and addressing the people in power has completely invalidated you're entire argument and meant the whole thing has done nothing but prove you know nothing

And all you can say back to that is that i'm a child? You really aren't doing yourself any favours, are you

My bloodline is amongst the oldest on these streets, so you can be sure there is plenty of history for me to look back on. You also appear to have ignored the simple fact that I actually agree with your point. Further evidence that you probably don't even give a toss about your point and are out here to simply argue with people.. Which just goes to show that its you that has nothing outside of the Mafia to spend your time on, unlike all those you criticised, you are the one that's the problem right now.

Again it is funny how much support one can get through pm and even here and yet the weak still argue.

im sorry please refresh my memory on this statement, as the thread is about rank, yet you are the lowest rank in this discussion(Homeless Thug). So please elaborate on whom you are refering to as weak, as i do believe you mean yourself. Ehh i may be wrong, though that is highly unlikely.

Agree or disagree with the questions raised by this Youngster he has contributed and brought action to the streets. I have not seen amounts of people looking in and voicing a concern since the Gods pinned a message in the clouds. 

i agree union, that is true

Success! Don_Vincenzo_Cocotti was set free.

i was abit hesitant  on wether i should have