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| Choke On This! | Started by: MyObsessionWithFire on Dec 07, '08 23:27 |
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I fail to understand why a slip of a word makes me narrow minded. If you don't approve of the words here, you're entitled. However, you've said nothing constructive here at all aside from attacking those who actually have something to say. For that I remind you to feel free to march back the way you came. |
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| Reply by: Phantom-Ghost at Dec 08, '08 02:02 | |
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What I said was quite constructive, and the reason you are narrow minded is because you failed to realize my implication. I did not come right out and say it, but I answered your question through implication. You asked what was so disrespectful, and I pointed out that he was recruiting for an organization outside of his family. That organization even includes the leader of another family. If Hayley were to attack Azuela, Azuela would have reason to be concerned. Would his member betray him for his "BFN" associate? He says that he is 100% loyal to Azuela, but actions like this will make a leader question that loyalty in times of war. Is that clearer for you? |
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| Reply by: Swoll at Dec 08, '08 02:08 | |
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Again, lack of construction. We've already been over the fact that MyObsessionWithFire would not betray Azuela for a "BFN Associate" as you called it. You're looking for a fight, and are hungry for conflict, it seems. Well you shall not get it from me, keep moving. |
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| Reply by: Phantom-Ghost at Dec 08, '08 02:12 | |
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Again, lack of construction? Oh, please, as if you are some authority on what is constructive and what is not. Get a dictionary and learn to form logical thought. Just because MOWF claims loyalty does not mean it is sincere. If he were not loyal, he would not come out to the streets and shout it for all to hear. Oh, but then he also said that he is not one to hide anything. So, I suppose again my point is invalid. Because, by your logic, anything that leaves his mouth is well settled fact. Sir, I am not trying to start a fight. I simply did not like the way you chastised everyone in the street with your reprimand, as if you were some superior life form, when you seem mediocre at best. You came out here defending your friend in a manner which could be considered condescending to everyone else, when in fact the people who are questioning him have quite valid concerns. In so doing, you were not even able to realize whether your friend was speaking or writing. Then you dismissed my point, which was a quite valid point concerning loyalty and singularity of familial association, without backing up that dismissal with any sort of reasoning or explanation. That is the type of argument form that young children use - simply stating a claim and leaving it at that, whether or not it has a basis in fact. You are unable to distinguish between what is constructive and what is not, claiming lack of construction is merely something that is contrary to one person's claim. If I said the sky was green, and someone said the sky was blue and explained to me why it was so, I could not say it was nonconstructive criticism simply because I already stated it was green. But, that is exactly what you just did. It was not me who came out here picking a fight. It was you. All I did was point out your inadequacies. If you want to jump up on a high horse, someone might feel inclined to knock you off it. |
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| Reply by: Swoll at Dec 08, '08 03:51 | |
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Scratches head I believe one Don has already spoken on this issue, and the simple fact that I may now have to come out here and reiterate points and premises already clearly identified by her and other individuals is frustrating at best; therefore I will not do so. There is a long Mafia history lesson that compliments the Don's basis for stance on the issue, the length of which would span the better part of an hour to explain. TO say the least, any organization that may erode or perceived to erode family bonds and structures or undermine this long established system is dangerous and costly to businesses, families, and all individuals - whether involved or not. If you disagree, remember that you are disagreeing with not just myself and Swoll, but also a family Don - and the last time I checked, their family and crew, NOT the "BFN Posse" is officially authorized and established. Period. On a side note, in order to give you some advice Swoll, I am sure we could argue with Phantom_Ghost all day, as to what constitutes a "constructive" argument and what does not. Unfortunately, much is lost in translation when framing arguments based on an fallible precursory premise. Furthermore, the use of "straw-man" arguments, otherwise known as a misrepresentation of an opposing criticisms - often leads to contradictory, condescending, and nonconstructive arguments. All evidence seen in Phantom_Ghost's retorts, is a testament to this severely flawed methodology, the continuation of which would only set a precedent for future arguments. Swoll, I also have some further advice for you my friend. Sometimes we have to choose between the fights worth fighting and the ones... Shakes head and walks away |
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| Reply by: Teruzio at Dec 08, '08 06:28 | |
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Well MyObsessionWithFire, you certainly ruffled some feathers with your speech. I do not have much time so I wil make this short and sweet. First of all, MOWF made a mistake with his post. He should never have come out and recruited for a group that was outside of the family, or made it seem as if said group was more important than The Underdogs. He tells me that is was not intended in such a way. I believe him. I believe him because his loyalty is unquestioned. He is one of my most trusted members. The process by which one achieves Mademan in my family is not easy. The button is not freely given. That button is a symbol of my trust. |
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| Reply by: Azuela at Dec 08, '08 07:39 | |
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Swoll, I would highly reccomend you walk into on coming traffic at a very slow rate. Ever since I can remember people have been coming to these streets posting of little things here and there and little factions/groups here and there. Also, I have noticed when people get jealous and aren't aloud in, they bitch :< I SORRY YOU CAN'T GET IN EVERYBUDDY! |
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| Reply by: Legolas at Dec 08, '08 07:46 | |
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| Legolas I would ask that you please use a little more respect when speaking to people of the community. Telling people to walk slowly in traffic is completely unnecessary. Every one is allowed to have there opinions, no matter if we like there opinion or not. | |
| Reply by: JimmyTheLionHeart at Dec 08, '08 08:27 | |
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| Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean they have to be complete dicks about it :/ | |
| Reply by: Legolas at Dec 08, '08 09:09 | |
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean they have to be complete dicks about it :/ Reply by: Legolas at Dec 08, '08 09:09 Lifts hat a bit Quid pro quo my friend |
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| Reply by: Teruzio at Dec 08, '08 09:14 | |
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| I understand your point, Although you will not dissolve the situation by telling people to walk into traffic. You are only putting more fuel to the fire. | |
| Reply by: JimmyTheLionHeart at Dec 08, '08 09:16 | |
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| Also as for Swoll, Rest assured I will have a talk with him. | |
| Reply by: JimmyTheLionHeart at Dec 08, '08 09:19 | |
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| Understood, I am sorry about my comment, was only trying to lighten the mood a bit, perhaps the wrong approach. | |
| Reply by: Legolas at Dec 08, '08 09:23 | |
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Stands up on the soap box with a questioned look on his face What is the argument here? All I hear is "Hes recruiting outside his family!!!!". OK, he made a mistake. MyObesessionWithFires leader has already come to the streets and supported him and his loyalty to Don Azuela. Just like my loyalty is unquestioning to Don Zoey and Godfather Marietta. Do we crucify people for minor mistakes? If so, EVERYONE place your gun in your mouths and pull the trigger, because we all have made mistakes. This "group" is not a violent organization, we are not terrorist. Just a group that is here to have some fun, maybe steal a few of your daughters... |
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| Reply by: WildTurkey at Dec 08, '08 13:40 | |
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You see the man begin to chuckle at WildTurkey Let me clarify my brotha, not a few daughters, they just attract to us, ALL of them :> |
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| Reply by: Legolas at Dec 08, '08 13:56 | |
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