Insomniac, you clearly have zero clue about what our intentions were because it wasn't to slaughter every single soul from the district. Once our main threats were dead, we started to send out invites to save whoever we could because we didn't consider things as their fault for this war. It was something I asked for while Jack Carter, Gohan, and others agreed. I would love for you to call me a liar about this... We even went as far as to let people join other cities if we were approached, making sure they would be safe. But you think we are still just a bunch of savages huh? Yeah, because that makes any sense when our actions spoke differently?"

Timon, point out where I said you were a bunch of savages? Or that I even hinted you were? Also, why would I call you a liar? Have I made an inclination of calling a liar beforehand? No, so please, stop putting words in my mouth. Well, isn't that part of a debate? I raise a point, and then they fill me in on this, as people before you have done. I even entered the speech saying I wasn't here to bitch, nor was I here to affirm the actions of Philadelphia. I had a question/point, it was made by a well constructed answer, I responded and then two people replied.

Fuck me, I guess everyone must agree and not question anything on the streets.

Well I must say you may not like why you were taken down or that it happened in general but honestly this is the mafia where if you have the guns you can take someone down for the simple fact that you can.

Now to call the rest of philly trash is kind of a slap in the face as you had no faith in the rest of your city and I have worked with many of these leaders in your city and I for one can say they are fine hard working and deserving mafioso.

So now I will say let's all move on drop the butthurt and start building are new characters , this is business I know it absolutely sucks but shit happens move on and accept it , sorry to all those who died and I hope the heads of philly can rebuild the district of Bella Vista.

"I'm sorry you felt like I was strictly on the offensive towards you. However, it was already mentioned previously that we didn't try to slaughter the whole district. The way you were portraying us with your first argument, yes, made me feel like you thought we were a bunch of savages just trying to play with our guns and strictly only wanted to see blood spill. At least that is the way I thought I took it, I could be very much wrong. That wasn't the first course of action though. We did try to save some lives and now I see why people don't do it anymore, because I was one of the people who opposed the slaughtering of a city to the people who were in no position to do harm. I was very wrong about that assumption.

So, I'm sorry I took you wrong. But to answer your question, we tried, but it didn't work out the way I hoped for it to go. I was one against it, I wanted to try it, and I learned from it. At least I can say I gave it a shot to try and save some lives."

Just to put my old size nines in here again..

There seems to be a bit of debate here and there whether lives were attempted to be saved etc. I can once again, despite being impartial, vouch for the life saving attempts. An old family friend was living in Bella Vista when last nights events begun and before heading off to sleep, I sent the man a note offering a home should he wake in time to agree a way out of the conflict alive. My offer to him reached the heads of the other districts of Philly and I myself received a letter explaining that the man in question was considered a threat and that I should/could speak with Philly to have this mans life spared.

Sadly upon waking I learned of the mans demise, but it would appear he had the chance to take up my offer and instead took an honourable death and went down with the proverbial ship.

So there we have it. Some lives were spared, these people used that chance to exact some revenge, fair enough, but this mindset caused second thoughts on sparing others lives and all were consigned to death. I can't see any reason why I would react differently were I in the same situation.

May the fallen rest well and I hope to see Philly returning to its days of glory once more.

In regard to revenge this is a problem that occured in chicago after the latest detroit war, a small portion of people joined crews to hide and shoot at chicago residents unfortunately.  You give people a rope to save themselves, they would rather hang themselves sometimes.

tony approaches the masses gathered together in furious debate. A lit cigarette lays perched between his lips, his brimmed hat pulled down over his eyes before raising it so all those gathered may see him eye to eye.

What we have here is the search for power my friends. Something the world sorely missed. A city wide argument to be had perhaps, but not a discussion for those of us who rest our heads elsewhere. I don't always agree eith what's done in Philly, hell that's not my job or responsibility.  What I do agree with is a leader, a man who's obviously staked claim as Boss of Bosses in the city came forth to offer he and his cities reasoning. Question if you will, twas he and his coties motives and needs to do what they saw fit. This is the mafia boys and girls not a tea party.

My words may fall upon deaf ears, they may mean nothing at all to those who debate here today. But Philly did what Philly thought best for themselves, they determined they had a problem and they fixed it. Kudos to them. Despite what circumstances and myths and rumors may surround the goings on I applaud them for taking the action they felt needed and STILL coming forth to offer explanations.  Kudos once more Philly, I respect your decisions. 

tony takes a step back from the spotlight so that the continued debate may continue as he once more lowers the brimmed hat.

My my Timon, you must have a complex. I never mentioned any of the trash by name. But now that you brought it up!

It's done stop throwing dirt on both sides let it go already. 

You have to laugh at people calling it a sneak attack. What were you expecting, a fan fare of trumpets saying "The Romans are coming" in doing so removing surprise from the game and allowing needless deaths.

Some people really don't understand our way of life...

Session Start: Thu Sep 26 03:40:53 2013
Session Ident: Goku
[03:40] Session Ident: Goku (MafiaReturns, Asylum) (~Kakarot@Defeating.You.in.the.Next.15.Episodes)
[03:40] <Goku> pwned em
[03:40] <Goku> good post mate
01[03:41] <Asylum> read the whole thing?
[03:41] <Goku> aye

Weird how this Godfather thought CHI reason for DT removal was shit. Yet runs to them when his leader Frank died that he adored so much. Lynch is a good friend Gohan? Why didn't you agree with them then? Messaging me immediately after my post proving loads of bullshit. Which, before Solastalgia decides to drag his lame ass out here be careful big guy. Your friends aren't so close either. 

It's a fucking joke. Gohan the only thing you showed here is that you're swayed easily by those that shouldn't be calling shots. However, these kind of take downs remind everyone of why this is a game. To some this is all they got to hang onto. The gods know it, the users know it. Keep playing your cards like everyone has your back and someones gonna stab you. Trust me, this is mafiareturns.com not la cosa nostra.

Of all people to take logs out of context, you would be one of the last I would expect. 

I never disagreed with their reasoning, nor would I have shared my thoughts on the matter with you had I disagreed. I simply complimented on a well written reply, an excellent rebuttal you made for the position you were in. 

Notice, in the remainder of the journal, how the conversation ends when you attempt to press the topic further.

Session Start: Thu Sep 26 03:40:24 2013
Session Ident: Asylum
01[03:40] <Goku> pwned em
01[03:40] <Goku> good post mate
[03:40] <Asylum> read the whole thing?
01[03:40] <Goku> aye
[03:41] <Asylum> yeah well me dying was meh, whatever
[03:41] <Asylum> they wanted me gone out of fear, everyone has said it except them
[03:41] <Asylum> sticks1988 dying, was fucked up though
[03:41] <Asylum> no reason for him to go
Session Close: Thu Sep 26 05:10:38 2013

I wonder why one would not share such things with you?

You want to know which fish gets caught Bush? The one with his mouth open. And quite frankly yours was never shut and that was a big reason why your father ended up dead. Now you can continue to try and pot stir and make quite frankly ludicrous comments about you being "feared" as the main reason for your take down. I mean whatever helps you sleep at night after the death of your father but fear never even entered the conversation. Tell me this, if you and your self described "canon" were so feared, why did the Chicago Godfathers after meeting the first time to discuss your antics decide to let you live in the hope you would change? Pretty foolish actions if they "feared" you so much.

I've heard quite frankly a lot of slanderous and utterly ridiculous remarks about my Godfather in this speech, none of which relate to the matter at hand. I know he was debating coming out here and setting the record straight, but that would only further divert from the topic and as is often the case: those in the know, already know. 

And just for the record, you can disagree with your friend and still be friends. In my opinion a man that has no back bone (kinda like quite a few from Philly who ran to other crews) can never be trusted in my eyes as they're just there to say what they think you want to hear and self preservation being their only goal.  On more than one occasion i've disagreed with Godfather Lynch, does that mean we aren't friends? Absolutely not. Does that mean i can "sway" his mind because he listens and we are friends? Absolutely not.