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Internal Strife Within Started by: Anarchy on Jan 08, '14 05:17

Well it wasn't a power play as I stated earlier Rottweiler, I went to multiple GodFathers involving the issue with Aaron and I was the second Crew Leader who was told about it. The Godfather who supports me said that by eliminating Aaron it would most likely be the less risky rather then asking him to step down.

 

Aaron was no threat to me and I didn't consider him a potential GodFather, the actual threat was his Left and Right hand leaving him and making Staten Island look weak to other Crew Leaders. I will not simply allow something I've helped rebuild crumble down because Aaron couldn't trust or satisfy the people who swore loyalty and trust too.

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No disrespect Anarchy as you have done a great job over there. shouldn't it be the other way round that the RH and LH of Aaron should of respected his leader and told him what the issues were and then solve them from there ??.
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From what I've been told, they did bring it to Aaron and he simply did nothing to fix the internal conflict. 

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Arr ok fair enough :)
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Just goes to show.... choose your Hands well. They might just be backstabbing cunts who cause your demise. 

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so they say Anarchy...

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The Godfather who supports me said that by eliminating Aaron it would most likely be the less risky rather then asking him to step down.

Aaron was no threat to me and....

 

I didn't think there were GodFather's supporting the competition winner's behind the scenes. And its kinda ironic, you didn't think of Aaron as a threat...yet you gunned him down anyway? Because the GF that supported you said it would be too 'RISKY'. Hmm...wonder how the GF that supported Aaron feels!?!? If there was one. 

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Lord Snow, I said I didn't see Aaron as a threat to me. Meaning he had little chance of actually wacking me but he could of been considered a threat to others. 

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So are you saying its not ok to flirt with your crew members? I just want some clarification here incase I fool someone into authing me any time in the future. Advise needed, please and thanks.
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Regarding people behind the scene who people look to advice from and security, yes there is.

Is this the first time something like this was thought of from a leader to remove someone? no.

Is there always potential risk when making a move? yes

if you don't make the move is there still risk? yes

The truth is there has been chatter between godfathers, but my honest thoughts are be careful who you set as hands.  If they turn on one, they may again.  It can suit self interest.  If your gonna make a move like this make sure have a GF behind you, i know the GF anarchy went to to explain his plight who was from outside NY.

Was there an open door policy between leaders in Ny with the hope to prevent such problems? yes.

The truth is it was expected these contests end in bloodshed and both did.  Some people will smile as competition out of the way, and enjoyed their ghoulish pleasure for death others will say thanks boss this is why you said don't join.  The truth is with these competitions it can give an advantage for other power plays down the line and also for take downs when the person screws up next.   This is the risk of someone having a district and the excitement/stress of leadership in general.

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Ok so many of you may or may not know me. I was Aaron's right hand.I have remained quiet on this entire issuebecause I didn't think I would be this displeased about everything.. I want to state a few things.

1. When Aaron applied for this competition he asked me to be his right hand. I honestly never wanted to be a hand I was happy just being a normal member of Mr.Stein's family but I have never been one to tell a friend no when they need help. So I agreed to come help him.

2. I had NOT been speaking to Sonny about leaving the family for days. It was the first time I had mentioned leaving. Granted yes me and sonny had vented to one another about things that made us unhappy but I never though about leaving the family until last night.. I had a pleasant conversation with an old friend of mine named Atrocity many of you know this man as Goodfellas. I wanted to go work for this man because we had worked for before.

3. Sonny and Anarchy, mind this is only a hunch, had been speaking about this beforehand. The only reason I went to such extremes with what I was saying is because Aaron wanted me to test his loyalities to the family before he became a made man. I found out all this from Sonny and before I knew what was going on Sonny and Anarchy already had a plan in motion to wack off Aaron.. granted you can say why not tell Aaron? Yes I had his number i could have called him and told him what was going on and got him online! We could rally the troops and fight.. but for what Anarchy had the support of a GF and I already had a new home as well as many of our members were already coming with us.. so I though why get everyone in my family killed and see the majority of Staten island murdered? Yes I respect Aaron a great deal but I have always said and still say.. "one life is not worth more than the life of any other."

Do I regret my decision? No.. not because Aaron isn't here but because I saved 27 innocent lives. I can go to sleep at night knowing yes I am responsible for my best friend dieing but I am also responsible for saving all the people I brought into the family and told them I will protect you! No matter the cost!
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Ok I am sorry for my late reply as I have been very busy lately, but i'm going to make this perfectly clear.

 

As Aaron's LHM I was tasked with funding, and that's it. I spent millions on his BG's, fortifications and other things. Do I have a problem with that? Of course not that's what a member is supposed to do. But when me and his RH were working our asses off day in an day out for the crew we have NO idea what was happening outside of the HQ. Aaron would not inform us of anything and the little we would get is because we would pry him for atleast 30 minutes to get what little info we could. Now that may have been petty to some of you but as a Hand we're tasked with counseling our CL and helping him on important decisions and simply needed. But with Aaron it was different he would not tell us what was going on, we were never in meetings and even his RH didn't know what the hell was going on. 

So this continued from the beginning and his RH and I talked about it for awhile until we finally brought it to an outside source, first we brought it to a close friend of ours who then backed us. From there we went to the District Leader who WAS Anarchy as this was decided by Aaron and Anarchy. How do I know? Because I asked Aaron over and over before he finally said that it was discussed in a meeting, which again we had no idea of and were not invited to even though the other Staten Upper Structure were. After talking with Anarchy about the situation he did not want to do it. He even stated it would make him look like he was power hungry. So I had to talk to him about it and discuss it more giving him the options I saw.

Yes he could have went to Aaron first, but knowing him we would either have ended up dead because he would have felt differently about the situation. We knew that killing Aaron would bring less bloodshed to the family. Plus, why would you keep a CL around whose family members were not happy being there? As his Hands we had the support of the family as we were the one's running the day to day operation while Aaron flirted in chat and took meetings by himself. 

After the meeting with Anarchy he finally decided to do what needed to be done, and yes I was made RHM to Anarchy and I do see how confusing and how it looks to some. But the reason I was made RHM is because i'm good at my job and so was Aaron's RHM. We are good at it and he saw that. Is that wrong to award someone who can work the position and you know can lead the crew in your absence? Hell no. Aaron was just not cutting it as the CL he made himself out to be, we took the street we decided was the right way to go and had several others backing us in the decision. Now no matter what the public fills about this it is done and over with.

I'm sorry to Aaron who is a great guy but not much of a CL, we did what we thought was right.

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I know you meant peace in what you brought to this conversation Fedelta, however; from someone who has remained quiet throughout this discussion this has me rather intrigued.

So basically your saying that Anarchy's reasoning was indeed false. After all you weren't planning for days and approaching Sonny was in fact a test of loyalty therefore you really had no intentions on leaving? Yet because this man failed that test and went to another CL behind you two's back in turned into death. Therefore the move by Anarchy could have at least been prevented had he gone to at least the RH of the family rather then taking the word of one member? Fascinating. 

I had a pleasant conversation with an old friend of mine named Atrocity many of you know this man as Goodfellas. I wanted to go work for this man because we had worked for before.

That just stinks in my opinion. Being a RH takes a lot of loyalty, and stating that you have never wanted to be one you just wanted to be a friend shines no justice to what you had done by speaking to another CL about wanting to work for them. That should be frowned upon. 

You know at first I was giving people the benefit of the doubt that there was logic besides flirting with members, and people causing an uproar, but to me this is just starting to stink of betrayal and self perseverance.  

Just my thoughts mind you. You did however add a large twist to the scenario thought. I personally wouldn't trust taking you in, and am actually shocked Atrocity spoke to you about such matters as I'm sure he wouldn't want his RH doing the same to him. 

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Fluphy Bunny walks in to the heated argument taking place just in time to hear Fedelta voice his opinions and statements

 

I haven't been here for very long, and i haven't heard other sides of the argument, but i feel that this issue should end with Fedelta's words. In order to honor the dead, we need to lay the arguments to rest and move on. Death and murder are parts of this world, no matter how blurry and distorted their reason for being implemented may be.

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With Sonny's response I feel like the only mistakes Aaron truly made were appointing not one, but two people who would soon seal his fate. Regardless whether you liked how he ran things or not, you took an oath by being RH's, LH's, Funding supervisors, whatever the case may be. You betrayed that oath. When you are honored with the position it entails your just as responsible for the family's actions as your CL. Hence why it is common practice for RH's to automatically die when a CL is taken down. Hence why CL's can be punished with death based off the actions of their hands. 

If this is really the reason as too why he was taken out, then it's sad to see. Granted, I don't know Aaron all to well, but from the remarks you two have made I'm shocked people even took you in. Just my two cents. 

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But when me and his RH were working our asses off day in an day out for the crew we have NO idea what was happening outside of the HQ.

Sonny, 

As LHM its not your job to know that. you are tasked with the internal affairs of the family. You have no excuse for not knowing that. That part of your job description goes without saying. 

TBH, i am ashamed of both of you. As a hand, you are supposed to be his 2 most trusted members, and you both turned your back on him. 

 

Fedelta,

As RHM, you were the CL when Aaron was offline. his safety as well as your crew, is your job. The right thing to have done was rally your hitters and go down fighting. Your first priority should have been to get Aaron Proed. Had you done that, everything else would have fallen into place as while you were directing targets to your hitters and Assigning Proers to each, you could have been on the phone with Aaron telling him to get the fuck online and help. 

 

Both of you are poor excuses for hands and rest assured neitehr of you would see leadership in my family, should i ever get another. 

You never turn your back on your CL!

If i was your CL i would have shot the both of you by now. Especially you Sonny. 

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This whole sorry saga of Staten Island reeks of betrayal, self interest and a fuck ups. Guess there'll be no competitions like this again any time soon.

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Yes wiggle I understand this but aaron knew me being there was only temporary from the start.. another thing he chose not to share with everyone else. Not as if I was being disloyal and abandoning the family. I felt bringing the family above 30 members in less than a week and taking on the stress of running the family with only sonnys help I grew tired of this situation very quickly! I hadn't played as big of a part in getting support as depicted that was mainly sonny and anarchy getting support for what they wanted. This surely wasn't over self preservation at all, I could be killed for coming out here and telling the truth. I accept this and we all have to go sooner rather than later if this means not telling the truth and letting lies be told. I'm not saying sonny and anarchy have lied about everything not at all!
To flirting I know Aaron was very interested in the female species. Many times he would me mming multiple women at a time and ingore important messages from me and sonny to keep them happy. This angered me as well. i must say me and sonny did very well running a family with the 2 of us, we did the best we could and I would say we did a great job.
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And rot, how many hitters do u think we had? Only 2 members were older than 10 days.. many members weren't even to Earnet yet.. I looked it as I had 2 choices save our family or watch as everyone was murdered in their babyfaces. I chose what I felt was right!
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and yet when it counted you didnt just fuck up, you are as good as pissing on his grave at this point. You are just as much as fuck up Fedelta now as you were when you were Bellic. only this time what you did was far worse than a couple stealth BG shots!

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