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| Street speaking- A reserved art? | Started by: Louie-lepek on Jan 21, '14 12:43 |
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Also, you used block quotes after saying using them is his thing. I guess you really wanna be like him after all ;p |
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| Reply by: ted at Jan 21, '14 16:46 | |
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"I believe too that good behavior breeds good behavior, and bad breeds bad. If someone speaks and they have no one to listen to them, instead of that person blaming society, why not take a hard look at himself or herself and think how it could have gone differently. Why didn't the person's family members come out and support him or her? That would be the easiest audience to gain, right? So if the person couldn't get a few family members to support him or her, why would said person look to outsiders for support?" This is why I asked of opinions; this reply is something worth of value. I think the main thing here is the learning curve that (should) take place, a respective family should harness the willingness for a person who wants be a street presence and evolve them, show them, encourage them. We all have people in our families that can do it; my point is from a productivity side. Surely it makes sense for the community on a wider scale to help productivity in the streets if we vested in our members and not just in bgs or guns, but this side of it! |
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| Reply by: Louie-lepek at Jan 21, '14 16:46 | |
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Well Louie, some will disagree. As a person who likes to talk in the streets myself, I have been told that training guns is more valued than just "talking", for if the family does not have protection, then I would not have the luxury of speaking in the streets. But that is another discussion entirely. I think there is room for all of it personally. This way, people can be held accountable for their words as well as their actions, if more people were paying attention to what happens out here. |
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| Reply by: Blaise at Jan 21, '14 16:58 | |
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Right, I'll be honest for a start and say that I haven't entirely gone through all the to-ing and fro-ing that's gone on here so far properly, I've pretty much just scanned through, so if I'm repeating on points already expressed - well, please forgive me. To me, presentation on the streets - it goddamn matters. Putting aside reflections on content here, there are a few basics to me. Yes, English is not the first language of every mobster in our world. However, as I think has already been pointed out, I know that there are many people out there, myself included, willing to step in and aid those struggling to express themselves coherently. The simple fact of the matter is, that I'm not going to sit and give myself a headache trying to make sense of something that somebody has said that doesn't make proper sense. And I've seen speeches made that literally.. make no sense. At all. Putting content aside, they read awfully. And I think that enough crew leaders, hands, and to be honest kind hearted souls in general would be happy to assist with this. So sometimes, to me, an awfully worded speech due to language barrier is something that with a clear conscience, I will ignore. The help is there. Lets not just hold each others hands and thank each other for trying, I'd rather people learn to look for that help and make more solid contributions. Then, there are the speeches that either ignore all concepts of grammar entirely, which reflects particularly poorly in transcripts of speeches where the basic full stop or capital letter at the start of a sentence are entirely neglected, or we see random use of punctuation that in general makes a speech look either half-assed, or entirely rushed and ill-thought. I don't think myself or anybody else is asking for perfection, but I think it is fair to say that people need to be both more willing to ask for help when help is so clearly needed, and as well that people willing to help, perhaps at a crew level, do more to improve the standards that we're seeing. Is the art of street speaking reserved for those who are silver tonged, for the wordsmiths of this world, for those whose mother tongue is the language that we speak, for those who’re in power and for those who excel at speaking in front of a large crowd? In answer to this - no, it's not reserved for anybody. But if you want to be taken notice of, you need to be willing to put the effort in. When even the more controversial speakers of this world, the Kuklinski line, the WhereWasI line, perhaps even my line in certain circles, come out and speak, they at least make an attempt to make their words fit their purpose whilst being well presented for audience friendliness. We don't do that automatically. It takes EFFORT. If myself or other regular speakers are putting effort into making our speeches understandable, easy on the ear and the eye, etc... why the fuck should I praise people who think that three lines with no grammar, punctuation and substance makes them a fantastic orator? Effort makes our streets go round. Effort makes our streets interesting, makes things enjoyable, makes things readable. If we're happy to drop to standards that boarder on illiteracy, that's fine, I guess. But I know that I for sure am not happy to see that happen, which is why I'd be willing to help others if they had the drive to come seek it. It goes both ways. Sure, its on people who want to see streets with high quality speeches on to be willing to give the help. But it's also on the people who need the help to not be too stubborn or lazy to seek it. |
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| Reply by: Ziva at Jan 21, '14 18:06 | |
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I am a fan of the crew bars and back alleys to practice your speaking, i think every family should initially work with those wanting to part-take in the streets, but not force it upon people. I know some people may be shocked by me saying people shouldn't be made to come to the streets, but i honestly know some people have no interest in it; and they can develop later when in some cases suddenly wanting auth and posting at the last minute. I often here people talk about gimmicks and gadgets, no history book or manual lists in our time period, so find it strange but i guess we can't know everything. Do i think is demotivating to come out here after working your ass off on a speech and people just stand and stare, hell yeah/ I will be honest after seeing how even in the business district sometimes only 4 or 5 businesses get visited in days, i am not surprised people stand and stare sadly. |
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| Reply by: Candy at Jan 22, '14 05:59 | |
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