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GAME CHANGE: Hand Requirement. Started by: Squishy on Oct 11, '14 21:57

Starting monday, all new RHM must be at least mademan or higher to be selected as a right hand man.  The LHM position will require at least a wiseguy to qualify for that position as well.  If the leader is a mademan themselves, there is no rank requirement for hands.

The out of game link between the hands and the crewleader is now severed.  Our rules are being adjusted so that a CL is no longer liable (On the level of a DD) for the actions of their hands if said offense is done without their knowledge.

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so im assuming this seperation is in lieu of the recent jeddy incident so i ask this, will he be reinstated?

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This is in relation to the ongoing conversation in the other forums about hands having a rank minimum.  After reading many CLs come forward and say they do not trust their hand enough to take accountability for them, I can see how putting in a minimum requirement for a hand position would sometimes lead to a CL picking someone other than their first choice because of a game mechanic.  In that case, I can see how a CL would employ a RHM that he would otherwise not really trust.  Because of this, I feel that severing the tie between the accountability of the CL and their hands would now make sense. This change did not apply to the previous situation.

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As far as reinstatement, in the past few debates, a few members argued successfully that reinstatement should not happen.  I will reserve reinstatement to cases where it is fully warranted in cases like code error, or mistakes.

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would an investigation into mobmails and chats be launched if the situation could call for it? or would proof of the CL knowledge of their hands actions have to be brought forth to the admins?

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would an investigation into mobmails and chats be launched if the situation could call for it? or would proof of the CL knowledge of their hands actions have to be brought forth to the admins?

New game rules are being worked on and will be published soon.

In the rules, knowledge of someone scripting without informing the admins, regardless of your association with them will result in administrative action.  In a few weeks, we will have everything drafted and posted.

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looking forward to the new rules :)

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While I'm obviously happy to see that the DD for CLs rule is gone, I have to say that I still think that 2 weeks admin jail is a little excessive a punishment considering that Achilles himself wasn't scripting and that the link between CL and RH in terms of administrative action was supposed to have been severed. 

I'm really not a fan of admin punishments against people when it's not actually them who broke the rules.

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Do not necessarily disagree with a jail term for Achilles.

I would like to think that a RH could be appointed to allow his members, who have done nothing wrong, will still be able to enjoy the game experience.

A RH would step up if a leader was 'out of town' and the previous hand dead. Perhaps just promoting the LH in this case?
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I would like to think that a RH could be appointed to allow his members, who have done nothing wrong, will still be able to enjoy the game experience.

I am awaiting hearing from Achilles on who to set as his hands.

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I agree but you have to think about who is involved and who is all gaining from the scripting. If heel was doing his part just like toy some of that money gained from scripting(assuming the script pettied/felonied/sold drugs) then the CL would also be receiving these "stolen monnies" as well. Just like in real life receiving stolen goods is illegal even if you had no idea. Admin jail isn't all that bad. Any cl can have scripters under them filtering money up and only discuss this outside of MR so they couldn't really be dd'd in the current rules. Not saying it happens or will happens it's just a possibility.
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its probably just me that thinks this rule should grandfather in any previous situations

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Could there perhaps be something that makes the current LH of a scripters family move to the now vacant RH spot. We here now in Achilles family don't really have any leadership as the LH account can't do alot of what the CL/RH accounts can.
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that change would have to be approved by your CL shane who is currecntly suspended for 2 weeks RHM has alot more access than LHM and therefore needs to be more trusted

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Then maybe the LH account can be given some more responsibility? We're literally sat here with nobody to lead us, and we've done nothing to deserve that.

If that's not an option then maybe a CL can set a fresh RH before he serves his suspension. We're being punished for actions we have no control over.... isn't that what this rule change is trying to stop???
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ShaneVendrell, as soon as Achilles contacts me on IRC, the RHM/LHM can be set.

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Thankyou Squishy :)
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Which Monday is this starting or has it? It seems thugs were able to be appointed hand spots during and after this last (insert appropriate word for whatever that was yesterday here) by people above Capo

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Yeah I was thinking the same thing I have seen a few hands that are thugs etc. Is this even going to be happening?

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it was posted on the 11th so i was assuming the 13th was what they meant

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