I still don't know this 3033 group you're talking about, Space-to-the-pole.

Do you perhaps mean the 303303?

Having not found myself on these shores for long, having been ripped from my wife and enforced in this slavery, I cannot really comment on the past.

What I can say is this JordynCarelli. Standards may have slipped across the board. But enforcing new measures to remedy this is not easy when the main powerhouse is not you. To remove New York the threat of war has been removed if Chicago and Philly do wish to introduce new rules. I do not know where Las Vegas fits into this equation so will not comment on them.

From what I have been told New York held all the aces. They drove this world in the direction they wished. People obviously did not like it and wanted change. To instigate change you must be in charge of everything you do. Had New York remained you could not push them into accepting new laws and rules. They had to die for perceived standards to be raised. Whether this happens remains to be seen. To be as proactive as the Godfathers were in removing them I cannot see them sitting on their laurels for long.

But, to be honest, I much prefer the reason we did it because we could. Nothing at all wrong with that. This is, apparently, the mafia. Power grabs are what it's all about? Except for us slaves who are treated like shite..

The common abbreviation for the 303303 is - to my knowledge - 303. It would seem silly to shorten it to 3033 in my eyes!

Also, I am not a gangster so sadly I didn't know who you were referring to, sorry.

It is actually not naive to have my views. To be realistic and acknowledge that every city has their faults. I am not arguing the down to basic reason of "Just because we could." In fact it is nice to hear that a city can own up to just that. However, the extra tidbit on standards, well that makes me extremely skeptical given the realistic facts.

Do I hate Chicago? No. As someone said to me before I can't hate a place. I just dislike this standards dropping reasoning.

Spartacus, I can respect that point of view. I can even understand it, however when you don't take the approaches in your own city first it is rather hypocritical. New York didn't control how Chicago was run from as far as my ancestors could tell from their stays in both respective cities. So what is the excuse there?

Space-to-the-pole, you can only use the 303 excuse for so long. This community has seen many of them die off in various ways well before this point.

I came out here today ready to jump into an active and interesting conversation discussing the pros and cons of what had happened over the last day or so. I'm but a young man, but my pappy raised me well and made me aware of much of the goings on during the time period in question. He was a drunken Irish idiot, much like all the rest of my bloodline, but he was still my blood and I'll throw back a whiskey later in his honour.

So... getting back to the interesting conversation. 

"I'm not repeating myself again, I've already said it multiple times over on IRC avenue" turns to "Ohhh my god, people are aware of what I said over on IRC avenue". Pick one and stick with it please Jordyn, it'll speed things up and let us actually chat about something of substance here.... hopefully... eventually.

I have to imagine that every single person that was involved in the events had their own reasons for doing so. Some for revenge for previous actions, some out of fear or paranoia, some out of a wish for shits and giggles even.... but enough people wanted it done for good reasons (in their minds) that they were willing to put in the work to make it happen.

Great people died yesterday. It's a true shame. People from Philly, Chicago and New York. People that had put in one hell of a run in controlling the world around us, people that had bags of potential to go on and become legends of the future and people that had done nothing wrong whatsoever and died based on nothing more than who that had pledged loyalty to. Is that a shame? Of course. I hope their souls rest in peace. However, it's how our world works and how it will always work. 

Now, if you've a specific complaint, raise it. If you've an issue, say it here in public. Please stop with bullshit regarding previous conversations held elsewhere among people that the rest of us have no idea about and either get to a point or leave the conversation to people that have a point. There are interesting conversations to be had here. What you're doing so far isn't part of that.  

I must say, this is one of the best speeches I have heard after a war or take down in a very long time. Not filled with a bunch of bullshit and lies to try and make oneself look better to the rest, instead a wonderful I don't give a shit what anyone thinks we did what we could and we succeeded. Bravo to the victors and good fight to those that have fallen, some of you really showed your true colors and what you could achieve. 

Now with all this talk about standards slipping, I agree with those that point out that this happens to every city and district. No one can deny that standards will slip when someone or a group stays in power for some time. Now I don't want to point fingers because I know most will say my reasoning behind it is that I'm upset that I died but that is not the case, I just want to point out that all cities and districts even the latest victors of the last war will occasionally have standards slipping. I know multiple people including myself that died in the war and their sons and daughters were approached by members of Chicago asking without any of us ever talking to them, doing jobs or showing any interest at all in working for them to come be their associate. When this was pointed out to their crew leaders it was just shrugged off and one deceased crew leader even said that it looked like they were just trying to strike up conversation, when the message was only would you like to come work for Chicago. I know I know, who cares not that big of a deal. But in reality when cities are warring and you are sending out invites to newcomers there is a very good chance your requesting the sons and daughters of those that you just killed to come on over to the enemies side and a lot of people take this as disrespectful. So what happened after all this you ask? Well the family that was found to be the worst culprit, their crew leader was promoted to Godfather! Now if this isn't standards slipping, I don't know what is.

Now let me repeat what I said before this long drawn out speech, Chicago is NOT the only culprit where standards are slipping. New York and every other city and district also has issues that could easily be fixed much like what I just mentioned, all easily fixable. 

I will finish by making another repetition of what I started with because I know someone will think I'm just throwing stones because I'm upset my father was killed but that is not the point at all. Congratulations to the victors, you had a hard fight and you fought it well to the end. Not too long ago Chicago was nothing compared to New York and you guys really showed everyone that people CAN come together, expand quickly and become the new powerhouse on the block. To the sons and daughters out there of the fallen, the most of you showed that we would not go down without a long fucking fight and even with most of our leaders taken out in the first wave you could still hold your own for quite some time and put quite the hurting on the victors. Good luck to all those in your rebuilding of what has been destroyed.

HubertCapone Oh sorry, guess I got confused since your doing his talking for him. 

Before I make a few points I should clarify one or two things so that those planning to disregard everything I say and scream "salty" can get their confirmation. As of the last reading based on the late Vincent_Valentine's scale of saltiness I apparently registered at:

 ☑ VForcedMeToSignUp

Furthermore I wasn't part of New York and my father's death in the last war was entirely voluntarily and a mere Earner so he certainly didn't lose a lot. Now that has been cleared up for the majority of simple minded folk listening I hope to address the topic at hand. 

I must say I'm bemused at such a high level of bravado displayed by your fine self HubertCapone, considering the general lack of usefulness you probably were personally during the war. I'd imagine that's what has rubbed some people the wrong way, fair enough if one of the (more) competant Godfathers was out here blowing hot air about his impressive take down, dnd it was an impressive first wave though no doubt. Instead they send out you, perhaps it's because of your self proclaimed old school mafioso ways or your self proclaimed great public speaking or (and I think this is most likely) those that actually did something during the war are too tired to speak much right now. That and they're probably finally looking forward to giving their tongues a rest after a year of rim jobbing those at the top - "Yes Sir, no Sir, can I shoot CristianoRonaldo and his district Sir?" This fresh air feels kinda nice now doesn't it?

I suspect that this "explanation" has probably rubbed up a few of the Philadelphian's the wrong way too considering you don't even mention the importance they played in this removal. Instead talking about The Loop this and that, quickly forgetting that a 303303 Godfather built that shit hole up into something somewhat resembling a decent district prior to his Godly removal for tenuous at best reasons. Along with another 3 being removed by higher forces, as they say though "It takes a King to kill a King."

So finally I just have some thoughts on the current landscape and it'll be interesting to see whether it's in line with the conversations almost certainly taking place right now by those now at the top. 

•  Why did Godfather Whatsername convinced the other leaders not to remove Godfather Cantillon first wave? She knew that he would retaliate, she knew that he wanted to go out shooting in a war and also knew that he would never shoot her again after he promised her that when he mother Maple died. Was it her intention to let Cantillon shoot some of the other Godfathers/crew leaders further cementing her own position? Wow else did Godfather Gravity die so easily? How did Cantillon easily evade those apparently refreshing him every time?

• ​Why wasn't the right hand man of one of the Chicago crew leaders and known cap killer not initially trusted with knowledge of this take down? Why was he only brought in after it transpired that (surprise surprise) Kelly_Kapowski has a pea shooter. Was his crew leader told initially or only brought in later too? Apparently threatening The Loop results in only those in the know (even amongst upper structures) doing something back..eventually.

• Did WeepingAngel agree to Godfather Tetley taking over in his district with the fall of Gravity? Does she like that some random just moved into her district mid war and took her rights to Godfather?

• How does Godmother Inertia like being sandwiched between crew leaders from the same crew initially? Things must be getting a little bit closer there now since she's the odd one out. I wonder whether Curtis will like that quite a few of those slain in the war (probably seeking vengence) joining her district too. I seem too remember him talking about bloodlining 303 members as a retaliation for all the shit he's had to eat over the previous months, I wonder whether he'll keep that promise when they are residing in Inertia's district.

•  Will Godmother Haven be left to live in Chicago as clearly the odd one out? Will she be told to move/killed so that Kelly_Kapowski can take the Godfather position? That will most certainly leave Spunky as the "odd one out" due the previous close relationships held between the bloodlines of Maria and Kelly. That'll be an interesting development. 

• Finally what will happen with New York? I'd imagine that the additional districts will close with most of PH and Chicago reluctant to move out and who can blame them? It's well known that when you leave the city, most of the time you're simply sent out to be shot later. Will we see the return of competition cities?

So just to reiterate what I said earlier, congratulations to the victors. It's well know that he who shoots first in wars wins most of the time all the time, unless you're a noob. Bare that in mind those at the top and I look forward to pro'ing some of you. Just need to decide who's going to attack first between Chicago and Philadelphia, anyone got any tips? Kuku?      

As usual a tragic war with losses for both sides and new vacuums created.   The interesting part will be if mobsters are attracted back to the six cities by this when we seem to be stuttering at time to fill the crews that exist and the often uneven spread of members also any future conflicts that emerge from this.

As much as this makes me think back to almost as much of a chance of rebuilding as the may war, it also is exciting time for opportunity once those mourn their losses.

I query though do we expect much changes in godfather council policies, and if so what is on the agenda for change?

Why is it people always suicide after giving their view on something? Is it so they can sprout what they want to sprout without having to worry about the rebutal? I have no idea really, ah well. 

Makes me wonder if there is any point in replying. I shall though.

I must say I'm bemused at such a high level of bravado displayed by your fine self HubertCapone, considering the general lack of usefulness you probably were personally during the war. I'd imagine that's what has rubbed some people the wrong way, fair enough if one of the (more) competant Godfathers was out here blowing hot air about his impressive take down, dnd it was an impressive first wave though no doubt. Instead they send out you, perhaps it's because of your self proclaimed old school mafioso ways or your self proclaimed great public speaking or (and I think this is most likely) those that actually did something during the war are too tired to speak much right now. That and they're probably finally looking forward to giving their tongues a rest after a year of rim jobbing those at the top - "Yes Sir, no Sir, can I shoot CristianoRonaldo and his district Sir?" This fresh air feels kinda nice now doesn't it?

My usefulness during what has transpired is not for anyone to praise or dismiss other than those actually involved themselves. I personally feel I was a lot of use but heh, i'm biased of course. I'll let others decide that. I find it amusing though that people are finding what was said was hot air or bull shit or what ever. People can try read between the lines, believe what they want themselves or what ever. I've said this a few times now, I couldn't really care less, there is no point in me going over and over what was said earlier. It's there for everyone to see. The thing is though, another thing people seem to have forgotten is that the right hand is an extention of the crewleader or Godfather themselves. I came out here and explained The Loops involvement in what transpired for a couple of reasons, it was my prerogative and it was my right. A war this size takes a lot of work, it takes a heck of a lot out of people. So if I can again become useful and take a responsibility so my crewleader and Godfather doesn't have to. You can be damned sure I am going to help out. Even if I hadn't slept for a good 36 hours plus before hand. As for the self proclaimed shit, you can be damned sure as well that I am going to talk about my tenure here. It's something I am damned well proud of, I will never regret that and I will never stop believing that old times are the best times. Not sure what you're trying to imply or prove there fella. I have never once however proclaimed that I am great at public speaking, that again is for other people to decide. 

It's a shame you suicided, would have loved to have seen your thoughts. Rest In Peace. 

I almost forgot, talking about Philadelphia. As it might me my place to talk about The Loop's involvement. It is not my place to talk about Philadelphia's involvement. They have people there who are more capable than I am to talk about their involvement. 

On behalf of the narcissists, assholes and warmongers from Philadelphia (think that covers everyone) I'd like to confirm that we're incredibly pissed with Mr. HubertCapone for his words here today.

He was far too self deprecating and understating in his own involvement of what transpired. He didn't once comment on his hourly streaks around the war room, not once did he mention the number of "That's a really nice cup of tea there fella, keep up the good work" he received during the day and not a single thought was given in his speech to how proud we all were that he managed to go the whole war without getting shot by a Durden.... a task many of his forefathers failed to accomplish.

sorrynotsorry actually raised a few points that would be worthy of discussion, along with some utter nonsense and other questions that are of nobodies business other than those directly involved. However, it's really hard to have a discussion with a corpse so sadly the few salient points end up going to waste.

Seriously. If anyone has an issue with what happened, make an intelligent and coherent point. Hubert, Curtis, Whatsername, Ajani, Kelly_Kapowski... and all the others involved are more than capable of having an intelligent debate. In fact, I'd be pretty confident they'd win any debate. If it's just idiots throwing insults? Please, don't bother. You disrespect those that died with honour and valour when you do shit like that. Have some respect for your fallen forefathers, their families and all that went before instead. They really do deserve better. 

There becomes a point when you look up for so long and decide it's time to stop looking and start shooting. This became one of those points. Individuals say over and over again that relationships are built over the course of many generations. It is those relationships that made this possible today.

Godfather Whatsername & Godfather Ajani built incredible empires out of nothing but past relationships, on past bloodlines. The love their people show for them is what made all of this possible.

We could not have done this alone, but together, all things are indeed possible. Well done. <3

Both of you are truly my hero's.

Thank you Philly.

With that the little alien stepped down from his box and began snatching more purses. He did it for mere enjoyment these days, the excitement in the old ladies face made him smile every time.

Well, I applaud the take down. It's been a long while since we've all seen and heard the groveling, crying and general bitching about how "30303 have taken over.." blah blah blah. Now that a group has taken to disarming the group and cutting them down entirely with their supporters and sympathizers, we hear a different bitching. It'll never come to an end, those who mourn their relatives will always raise and shake a fist at those who pulled the trigger.

I lost my mother in New York. It's a part of the job, I suppose and for that I'm not upset. Unfortunately she was young, but as they say, it's the fast life and well.. One shouldn't expect to live for all too long in this thing of ours, for all we know, deaths meets us all.

Congratulations on the success and rest in peace to those who fell.

Honestly, people whinging that they don't like the explanation they got for why there was a war is a bit pathetic.

You're not owed an explanation. If it were me, the only explanation you'd ever get would be "Because we fucking could." The people in charge know why they were taken out. They always know. There's never a mystery about that. So to have people on the streets saying "But but but you didn't handhold me enough to know why this happened!" or "but but but you're a meanie poohead!" after literally every single takedown in this thing of ours is, quite simply, sad. 

You aren't owed shit. Stop acting like you are.