Mesias, many thanks for clearing up what your thought process had lead you to. It's surprising that your found yourself with the conclusion that we shot one of our though. Especially a Don RHM. Loffy was not killed by ourselves, as Aliens has already stated, there comes a point during a war where people are bored looking for the 'big' shots and start shooting anything that moves. It's a shame it has to be put like that really, Loffy was a big part of this district and worked damned hard to get to the point he was at. It's unfortunate that he wasn't protected at the time of the shot. 

Lexie walked out to the streets and started to shake Huberts hand before walking over to a crowd of people.

Anyone who really believes that chicago wont be unified now is insane. There was a massive kink in our armor. I very weak district, thats time on these shores was worse than some of my forefathers, which is saying something. We now have a group of people who have been friends for years. People that will constantly talk to each other and work things out. For this I am proud, and I know that South Side will continue to work with ALL of chicago. 

 I wonder whether Curtis will like that quite a few of those slain in the war (probably seeking vengence) joining her district too. I seem too remember him talking about bloodlining 303 members as a retaliation for all the shit he's had to eat over the previous months, I wonder whether he'll keep that promise when they are residing in Inertia's district.

"I wouldn't normally respond to something like this but it highlights something that I find significantly incorrect about me. I have never once, in all my days, threatened to bloodline anyone. Not once. I have given an explanation of what bloodlining is and an example of that in a street discussion surrounding it but I have never, ever bloodlined anyone. Never will. It is absolutely against my principals and my line's actions over the last dozen years bare that out with absolute clarity. 

As for me eating a lot of shit. There have been things I wasn't happy about but they were actions taken against people I cared about. I was never directly given any shit of any kind. The people that harmed those close to me are dead now though, so I see no benefit in waving flags about it. "

Well Done Mr Capone:D

My mother would've been very proud of what CH and PH managed to accomplish. It was a fantastic plan.

Curtis, what you're tying to say is:

"I wouldn't normally respond to something like this but it highlights something that I find significantly indifferent about me, so I have to feel obligated to respond."

Achilles has already admitted publically in the street of #DivineLunacy that the bloodlines of Mako and Ace would probably be bloodlinned for they way they've treated people. This man speaks for your district while he is still a crewleader, so the feelings must be neutral. 

Exactly, how would either of those bloodlines be bloodlined from people for the way they've treated people? If anyone knew 303, they knew that Mako and Ace kept people alive, not dead. Mako and Ace defended the world when they didn't need to be defended, and those select people should really be fucking dead (ooc: aka Mikus). Why would those bloodlines in particular be bloodlined by others, Curtis? This man speaks for your district, remember that. So I would like an explanation from you, who is currently staying a CL, and not that piss pot of a man who calls himself a crewleader, why would these people be bloodlined from a man who stands for the speech of your district?

This man is a major part of your district, so I expect a reply on this rather than "I normally wouldn't answer, but blah blah blah I have a tiny dick."

And HupetCapone, your district was a 303 district at one point. Surely Mako would've never wished you guys to move on his alliance, but surely he was a good man or else you wouldn't have joined him TWICE in a row, knowing fully that he was a 303 personal. Mako made your district into what it is today, but yet, when I visited his funeral, you guys weren't there. Is there a reason you didn't visit Mako's funeral when he thought so highly of you? And the reason Mako is mentioned so much is because, well, he MADE your district into what it is today. Without Mako, none of the shitstorm you put together would've been possible. How about you show some respect for the Godfather who really made you guys the threat you are today. Considering, none of you gave a fuck when he died. 

So, you're wrong. Mako built the district you have today. You used that district that Mako built, and used it against the alliance that he loved to death. Ajani has said, and I know this because Mako has told me, that he wishes The Loop to be the district that Mako had an image of. But you shit on him? Expect him to be bloodlined by the district that gave him a chance, along with the Philly people that you warred with?

I only ask all of this, because a man that speaks for you said these things would happen. He pointed it all out in public. Mako was good to you, right? Because I've never heard fuck all that said he didn't treat you guys like a district, and not 303. And yet, you're going to let that man be shit on, the man who made you into what you are today.

And you guys haven't made a protection order on Gravity's family. Why are there members that aren't so active being slaughtered from his family?

You say the 303 was bad, but yet you're letting Gravity's family who aren't that active and sponsored being slaughtered. 

Achilles giving his thoughts on what MIGHT possibly happen to a bloodline isn't threatening to do it ThoughtSheWasLvl18. It's saying that a hella lot of people were incredibly pissed at this group, which is a fact, many still hold onto this grudge, again it's a fact, and some can't separate the sins of the father from the next of kin. Is Curtis one of those people? No. Is Philly run by those type of people? No. Is Chicago run by those kinds of people? No. Will people be punished for breaking family rules to do it? Hellz yeah. Will it still happen? As Achilles pointed out... probably. Anger is a powerful emotion and one that leads people to ruin time and time again.

As for Mako making that district? Things change, times change, people change. If you want to start giving all the credit to Mako there, why don't we just give it to Anita instead? She built up things long before Mako did. If you're honestly suggesting that whoever is running a district or a city should only make decisions based on what someone that came before them would have done, you have a skewed and flawed idea of what leadership really is. You're not thinking of leaders there, you're thinking of sheep. This isn't a disrespect of Mako by the way, he probably did a fantastic job there, it's just a fact.

A protection order was sent out Gravity's, GRHS, fallen members. It was sent out by Hubert himself as it happens in the middle of the war. Philly helped out to even name the specific members. When one of those protected is shot, searches are carried out. A handful of sleeping members may well be put to rest if it looks like their coma's may be of a longer duration, but that's a leadership call as always. Just because you don't see what's happening doesn't mean things aren't happening. Check your anger at the door and talk to a few people instead, maybe you can get a better grasp on issues like that. 

Did I seem angry? I didn't know showing your face at a debate with a certain opinion made you angry, I thought it made you competent to debate with the other intellectual people of the community? But, I didn't ask you for answers, even though Curtis will probably echo you and your extremely dimplomatic answers that are so far on the fence that your asscrack is probably sore. 

Achilles did state that in DL, and things were pretty clear from the remark. You say that you don't run these type of people, but you had the existing crewleader say it, and I was looking for an answer from another existing crewleader. Not one that is stepping down, or a low rank who thinks he knows all the ins and outs about how his crewleaders think or speak. So, practically, you aren't the man to answer, because my question wasn't directed towards your scrubiness. But ohhhh, that makes me angry, right? If I was angry, you would've seen something entirely different. But, just because someone adds something logical, well spoken, and thought out, you want to try and discredit it with the typical line that you could use?

Fuck off. I hold my opinion and I will speak it.

And yes, Mako built that district. All those members were recruited by Mako and his personal, which makes it his reign. It's like when a coach wins a National Championship with another coaches's players. Is it really his win, or the guy that built that shit from the ground up. That's what I was saying, but apparently, I was too angry. The blood vessels popping out of my head because I spoke more than a paragraph. You can literally see my face turning blue as a smurf, running out of air here. Those were his men, and what I stated were exact words passed to me from Mako between a conversation involving him and Ajani, the crewleader that he authed, when he didn't have to. Ajani won with Mako's team. So to say that it wasn't HIS district or that he didn't build the Loop up from nothing, is complete and utter bullshit. If Hubert thought so poorly of the 303, than why did he join the 303 true loyal companion more times than he had to? I'm sorry, asking questions makes me seems as if I were angry, rather than have people chat up logical answers at a speech of this kind................ OHHHH SOOOOO MAD. I'M TURNING GREEN. WATCH OUT.

Do you think BigBlack would be here without Mako? Do you think that Cassi's daughter would've even joined The Loop if it weren't to see the legacy he built carry on? Do you think Mako would've keep the scum like TinyTiny and the person who should've died for being so god damn rude all the time, Kelly, if he deserved something like bloodlining against his kin? Do you think that Ajani would be in the position that he is in if it weren't for the army that Mako built? Do you think that Mako set up his most trusted just to watch them go against what he supported? So, fuck what you think, Setanta, Mako is what made that district great and respectable, Ajani just had his leftovers.

Which brings me around to the question I have placed on the table, before I get ever-so mad about it and rage like a cunty. Mako thought Ajani was great, reason why the man authed him. Lets face it, if 303303 were hardballing people, Ajani was a big name in the day they killed him, they wouldn't have given him a chance after that. I just want to know why he spit in your former GF's face like this after he was the only one willing to take that chance? How can you do that to the man that made you are what you are today? How do you feel the man who gave you your chance feels right now turning on the alliance that he defended for nearly 300 days of his life? Why did none of you come to his funeral after all he has done for you? 

Mako, I hope you're seeing this as well so you can see the mistakes you've made. This is how your district repays you. 

ThoughtSheWasLvl18, How are you doing. You seem to have an unhealthy attraction this "mako", I once had an unhealthy love for an aquatic animal too, it was my puffer fish, his name was tom, oh that fish was damn fine! mmmmhhh...oh, wait, i'm over that now , its not an issue, I am a strong independent person, I am a strong independent person, I am a strong independent person.

Anyway, im not here to debate your "logical, well spoken, and thought out" speech, I am here to aid and assist you with your irrational obsession with mako, and you blatant love for sharks. Its all about the state of mind, its about putting your obsession into a healthy frame of mind, and realising that this mako (shark) can not love you back, It will never ever have feelings for a species that's not of its own kind, you're a human being, not a sea dwelling crustation.

Those mako calendars that you have pinned to your secret shrine room will only heavily induce this irrational love for something that can never be. especially Decembers edition, I know its hawt, right? but it will only lead you into a false sense of security, trust me, its the same with the puffer fish calendar, mmmmhhmmm mays puffer... anyway, back to you.

Sharks have a lateral line that detects movement in the water, from miles away, I suggest that you don't try to enter the water the "pet" one, it will only end up you loosing what ever part of your body you decide to pet it with, seeing your obsession, one can only imagine what it is that you will try to get up to. Plus, a salty cock is good to no one.

Finally,  find a mantra, repeat it. every time you feel yourself falling off the wagon, repeat it, out loud, be loud and proud.....

I hope you heed these words on you road to recovery, all the best.

Interesting tirade there. A lot of nonsense in it, but interesting all the same. I suggested talking to people about Gravity's members rather than using the point to attack someone in a thread, hence the anger comment. It was factually incorrect and if you'd talked to someone, you would have known that. The rest of it was quite calm and competent to be be honest, if still a little low on accuracy or fact, although now I'm not sure if I've struck a nerve or if that was an attempt at sarcasm. Luckily I don't really care, so we'll move on quickly.

You say that this should be a debate among intelligent members of the community? I fully agree. I welcome that and encourage it at every step. However, when you then shoot down my comments due to my rank... which is the equivalent of your own... it's just hypocrisy. Pick one and stick with it and we'll go from there. If you feel that only a leader is capable to retorting to you and your impeccable wisdom, fair enough. That's not looking for an intelligent debate, that's making silly demands you've no right or rank to make. Your call do, whatever floats your boat.

I never said Achilles didn't state it. I explained how what you said he said didn't imply what you implied it did. I think that's quite clear and well explained already. If not, let me know where the issue is and I'll clarify again. I'm kind like that, honest. It's one of my greatest qualities, along with my fantastic modesty. 

Why did Hubert join? That's Hubert's business. Perhaps he had friends there, perhaps he had loyalties there, perhaps he wanted to take someone down from the inside. It doesn't matter. He did join. I'd imagine, given that he's still alive and all, that he even did a good job working for whoever he worked for there. As did Ajani I have to imagine. Perhaps while Mako was alive they were perfectly happy with how things around them were being run? Perhaps while Cantillion was active others were happy with how things were? 

The reality is, things change. At the end, it's quite clear that many many souls in Philadelphia and Chicago (and elsewhere, including New York itself) were very unhappy about how things were and wanted change. Bringing back a huge war to a single person is irrelevant and nonsense. This war was about far more than a single district. It was about a HELL of a lot more than "what Mako wanted". So focusing on this point when Mako is long dead and buried is irrelevant. Ajani didn't spit in Mako's face. Mako was dead. With his death, links and relationships to other cities change, develop and die. That's life. That's the way it works. Mako's ghost isn't leading that district any more, Ajani is.

Given my lack of bold suit my words may fall on deaf ears though. I'll have Curtis sent transcripts so he can echo all my thoughts later though. Again, I'm incredibly kind like that.... and humble... and attractive.... a little drunk too... but mainly I'm deluded. Definitely deluded.

Eh, say what you want, but I bring up some valid points that stand. Not an obsession when it has a lot to play in what happened in the future. They shit on the guy and want to continue to shit on him when he is what made them to begin with. 

Flog it off, space-to-the-pole. Everyone has seen you bitch for the last 5 months. I have just provided a good and logical debate. Bitch.

Heh, I was always honest and open about my feelings towards the group, and lived and died by that sword. I fully accepted that. A lot of them were what I consider to be friends, individually. As a group I hated them, they knew that, I told them to their faces, it was no secret I was always trying to see them gone, alas, it happened.

judging by the copious amounts of, "are you happy mails" i'm pretty sure that the desired effect was achieved.

A logical debate that you intentionally steered towards the blood lining route, that's low and will not dignify it with a "logical" response, hence the advice I just offered, hope it works for you.

I would state my view and my observation of the points our suicidal young friend raised. I would also answer the question directed at me specifically to answer. It would however be a rather dull repeating of the answers Setanta already furnished the discussion with. So, in short, yes, I will echo his response. Because it was both accurate and a solid reflection of my own view.

Barry has addressed the issue of bloodlining perfectly adequately and I stand by his statement.

As for Mako. He was shot by a rogue a long time ago and attempting to blame Ajani for doing his job and picking up the pieces after his Godfather had died, is one of the most ridiculous complaints I have ever heard. For what it's worth I don't know anyone that didn't like Mako. he was a very capable Godfather and well respected by everyone I know. Myself included. 

Doesn't half make me laugh, this. 

I can't help but take a step back for a second to wonder what it is you are actually trying to achieve. Like I said a while back about truth and lies. I can tell you a tiger is blue, I could 100% believe it and that would be my truth. However, you know that a tiger is striped orange and white. That is your truth. So with that said again, just bceause you believe certain things does not make them fact. So, Mako. 

Mako lived and breathed The Loop, his district was everything to him. No one can ever take away what he built no matter how much they try and the beauty of it is, even though Mako had 303 ties, his district would have laid down their lives for him with a seconds notice. So, I still can't quite place what it is you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to paint us in a bad light and get in the mind of the reincarnation of Mako? None of that really even matters though in my mind. Mako, when he was leading this district knew exactly how we felt about his leadership, he knew exactly how his district felt about his 303 ties and he knew exactly how far we were willing to go for The Loop. That's what matters. 

Now spitting in his face is a bit of a strong term for what we have done over the past few days. Do people really expect us to sit and be happy with what is going on purely because our old Godfather, the one who helped build this district to what it has become with his leadership, was part of the very group that we destroyed? Fuck no. Again, as I said earlier on in this discussion, if someone threatens one of our hands and one of our Godfathers lives, you can be sure we are going to come for you. We have shown now that no matter who you are, if you threaten one of ours we won't sit back and take it. Do you think Godfather Mako would have done the same? I would damn well hope so. 

Godfather Mako was always one to say what he thought and how he felt and have a proper conversation about things he disagreed with or disagreed with. Just like we did when he decided to take part in the 303's action of killing staff. We always had a lot of respect for each other. So considering i've not heard anything from any decendant of Godfather Mako so I can only assume you here are trying to cause shit, paint us in a bad light and hope that people follow it. If they do, that doesn't really matter. Everyone here has an expiration date. We will have ours, it's just a matter of time. 

I loved working under Mako, he was an amazing GF and leader. The entire district loved him and would've died for him.

I remember in my talks w/ Mako that he told me,"if anybody fucks with my district and I feel threatened I will die fighting protect you all."We did exactly what Mako would've done actually.

We had a direct threat on one of our crewleaders and hands, So we did as what any sensible leader would do, geared up to fight til the death and we lost many amazing people.Do you think Mako would have allowed for a GF to threaten to kill one of his CL's? We did exactly what GF Mako would've done actually.

He would've made a plan to give us the best odds of success, got his ally's involved and went to town, destroying anything that had the possibility of shooting back or aiding the other side. 

And I went to his funeral btw.... I loved working under him and even in our very few but lengthy talks I learned a lot from that man he inspired me to work towards the becoming something in the likeness of himself and I will carry it with me for the eternity of my generations.

So this had nothing to do with spitting on Mako, in fact I'd like to think he would be proud to see we carried on and fought with some balls, and diplomatic finesse when threatened and staring at the Goliath of the 303 and NY.