This can really go both ways. I tend to think like Paul_Walker on this one. It is that gangsters life, if he chooses to give it to someone in particular then who are we to shoot him. It's almost like trying to get the gangster into your crew but he says no thank you and chooses another crew.

There are plenty of sleep bum's on our streets to shoot. I don't see why this should be a problem at all. Does it really matter if you don't get that one kill? I just think shooting the sleeping bum's and making sure all shots are actually authed instead of saying you're gonna shoot instantly if "authed shot" is in his profile or even something like "Authed for Absolut".

Also I don't really see how it is breaking the rules. They are given 48 hours to find a home but if they choose they want someone to shoot them I don't see how that's breaking a rule. Do they HAVE to live in our world? No. If they auth the shot on themself I don't see the problem. I have always had the member pickpocket me just so his name goes red to save any confusion even.

Just my two bits anyway...

Absolut wonders off in search of a good price for his cocaine.

Who the hell is Bob Marley?

*Laughs*

An extremely famous reggae singer Kates, if not THE MOST famous reggae singer.

What the shit is reggae?

Also, you're all crazy idiots, and I hate you so much sometimes.

*Hits himself in the head*

What the hell am I talking about? Must have had a future glimpse of some sort, damn visions messing with my brain again.

I'm with Kates. Never heard of him nor of this reggae. I'm into the Fred Astaire,Louis Armstrong,Ella Fitzgerald, and of course Sinatra types of music. I have no idea of who this singer you speak of is.

Absolut, the rule being broken, or bent actually, is the one that nobody with a -48 tatoo is to be shot. When somebody tatoos himself "authed shot" he is giving the shooter permission to break the rule and to that point I have to side with the people who claim that a gangster's word is meaningless and should hold no weight.

If I told you that I auth you to shoot me, Absolut, would you shoot me? If you did, you would probably see Deimne's or one of his hitter's gun on your face very soon. Regardless of what I say, I think that the rule you would be breaking was written by somebody higher than me, so my word holds no value when measured up against said rule. The rule being not to shoot a sponsored mobster, of course.

MickeyTheSicilian, we are living in the 1930's and all my research does not throw a result about a singer by that name, so I think you are getting a bit too much second hand smoke from MobMarley's joints.

Kates... it makes me so sad that such a beautiful girl would hate me. I'm not sure I agree I'm an idiot, though. Or maybe you didn't mean to say you think we are "all" idiots.

I auth myself to shoot Striphe.

I think she meant all of us "pot heads" Crazy Nine. Perhaps the smoke is getting to me? Neh.

Smiles reassuringly at CrazyNine.

Of course not. My hatred is directed only to the crazy and the willfully stupid.

Absolut you're missing the point he was trying to make, its not just the matter of their choice, its a matter of cheating the system. Marley is concerned about friends feeding kills to each other, so certain people can level their guns faster and better than others hunting bums on the streets.

But to what you said, frankly, it is different, no one gets to choose their crew, they can say no or yes to an invite but they cant just walk up to anyone they wish and get a spot in that crew just because they want to be in it, unless the crew leader decides its ok, so your point is really invalid. Just as such, if you dont want to play the game, go IA and be delt with then or suicide. If you're life is to be terminated for something you've done wrong, again its not your choice, someones telling you you have to die. Its not your choice who gets to kill you. And this is just to clear up what you said, his point wasnt even really about this.

I agree with what Marley had to say but not how he went about saying it, just my thoughts on that.

If a member contacts a crew leader, right hand man, or even left hand with an "Open HQ status" and they make an effort, they normally get in. My ancestors never had been turned away unless it was 49 members with the last invite out or something of that nature.

Also, if the point is target accounts then that's even worse. Most hitter's will get 3-5 kills a day. So having 3-5 friends make accounts everyday wouldn't go unseen. Now you may say "well what if they spread it out?" Even then spreading it out does nothing. Say 5 kills a day for a hitter, that'd be 35 a week. Now spreading out a few kills over a few days doesn't train a gun any faster or better than the hitters in our world.

I can understand being angered because you don't get that kill or something, but if they were creating targets for their friends the gods would notice. I can recall in my fathers journals he saw someone shoot the same person 8 times and was dealt with.

One kill of some know nothing gangster doesn't change a whole lot. There's people with 100, 200, 300 maybe even now 400 kill guns. Do you think a couple 2 or 3 kill gun is comparable to train faster than those? A lot of people get IAs and war kills. A friend giving up his life isn't break the rules as long as he doesn't repeat. Also I haven't seen someone repeat in almost three decades.

CrazyNine. Is the gangster sponsored? No. But you did miss the part where I said I'd have him pickpocket me. That turns him from being innocent to a violent -48. Which those are allowed to be shot. Also if you authed the shot I would tell Deimne what you said before doing anything. You're his member. An unsponsored gangster is no ones member.

I'm not saying go shooting all these -48 but if they auth you to shoot them and even pickpocket you then there shouldn't be a big deal. Yes if it's the same person making accounts it won't go over looked at all but people aren't going out and making 5, 10 and 20 accounts for one person to shoot. The day that happens I will worry. One kill every few days won't make me get too worried.

I know everything needs a level playing field and this is a rule bender in a way, but it's that gangster life. If it's done more than once say Gangster A let's mafioso A shoot him one time, no big deal. Then if it happens over and over, mafioso A should be removed by the gods. I'm not promoting cheating here or anything against your family rules. If a -48 says "Do you wanna kill me I don't care to live this life?" would you turn it down when you know he's going to die one way or another and you could easily have him put "Authed for 'whomever you are here'" then Boom! Dead.

I see the point, it's just it can be argued around all day.

I don't particularly see what all the fuss is about here, or why it would work people up so much. The non-shooting of under 48s is not new, and nor is the shooting of gangsters who want to end it all. Who they give that kill to is their prerogative, but frankly, if they're stupid enough to advertise it for hours in advance, then they deserve a random bullet to the face. Anyone with an ounce of savvy will put up their "auth notice" seconds before the shooter takes the shot.

As someone else said, if the gods deem someone to be using targets, they will deal with it as normal but that's another thing entirely.

What I found most intriguing here was how Mr Marley brought his point to the streets with gems like...

Don't like it?!?  Fuck you and the alley you crawled out of!!

Not a hint of subtlety and bold indeed given the fact this was broadcast over the streets, potentially catching the ears of all on our shores.

I dunno but if I was a leader I would take this speech as a sign of disrespect. What if a leader was the one to disagree with MrMarley? Then in terms he is telling said leader he does not give a as he masterfully put it "Don't like it?!? Fuck you and the alley you crawled out of!!"

Hopefully for him no leader see's it as such.

I do have a question for you Marley, Currently there is a civilian, I wont name names, Who has a shirt that says authed shot to anyone in detroit. Would this make a difference to your new plan at all or not?

Absolut, I was not saying that both rules are the same. It was just an example of me trying to auth you to do something that I have no authority to auth you to. And I didn't miss anything from what you said. Maybe you did miss where I suggested the PP as a solution.

I still think that if somebody feels that this life is not for him, he should just wait for those few hours it will take for the -48 tatoo to disappear and then anyone should be able to shoot at him. If not it's giving somebody an advantage that shouldn't.

and I don't care about the hitters getting 300 kills a day. If somebody figured out a way to milk 1000 dollars per hour but cheating, would you shrug it off saying that you get more in a single drug run?

We're debating if a rule is being broken or bent here. I think that nobody with a -48 tatoo should be killed. Period. but then again, I'm not a leader that can make things happen, so I'll just wait to see what is decided from all this, if anything.

CrazyNine, I'm sure there are some instances in which you'd support a Gangster with a -48 tattoo being killed, if they'd done something like start random wacking. Or disrespecting a Godfather. Your conviction is admirable, but our world is rarely so cut and dried, in my experience.

Tony walks up and stands on the dead body and says his peace " I agree with you JamaicanMob_Marley, if you have a death wish , and you have an auth on your profile your open game for anyone who wants to shoot you" Tony takes a drag from his cigar and leaves.

Tony, I don't think he meant to say anything like that, and I'm not sure what you are trying to do by twisting his words. Risky business if you ask me.

Kates, I agree. I got a little carried away. What I meant is that the -48 himself cannot auth his own shot under any circumstance. If he is a violent gangster and takes a shot or PPs without permission, it only takes to go to the proper authorities, like your CL for example, your city leader or any city leader if nobody else is available and get a proper auth to shoot said -48.

That would be, in my opinion, the only proper way to take care of a -48. Because then it's not about an easy kill but about defending your honor. so hopefully we could rule out target accounts as the reason.