Jahs, how many cows do you have?  I bet I have more friends than you have cows?

Obviously he's dead now and we can go on about our Kuku free zone

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TLWolf listens to what his fellow gangsters have been talking about, it is quite interesting talk. He certainly believes that such information can be discussed anywhere but he also believes that none of those involved would be interested in talking about it in the streets. In addition to that, many would have different opinions about what happened. It is quite difficult to know what really happened.  

Fuck friends, the reasons of this clusterfuck should be plastered on the streets so even the most isolated mobster living under a fucking rock would know what and why things happened.

Bob I think you'll find everyone that needs to know what happened already does, I also have to disagree to a certain extent that every isolated mobster needs to know, It has always been down to the victors (If there really are any here) to decide whether or not to disclose certain information as it is not written anywhere that people have to come to the streets with a speech about what happened, It is entirely up to them what "If" any information is disclosed.

Sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs lie, why you may ask? I'll answer that, whatever is put here in the streets people will argue over, some people will never except the truth no matter how clearly it is laid out and there will always be certain elements that will throw their dummies out of the pram, so I ask you this why go through the hassle when the people that need to know already do?.

As for Mr Kukulinski well I thought he had the inside track on everything, In fact I am very surprised he hasn't tried to take credit for everything that happened, such as his need to feel so important!

I will be honest, do i believe it is nice to hear events and why they came, of course; will it always be a truthful take on events, no..

The truth is we never know the full details, the exchanged mails and conversations with other devices and secret messengers which we don't see.

Do i believe there are winners and losers, paranoia is a big winner for me as people will watch others more now.  Why?. you ask, simply due to the damage done and the glue that held people together whether by a gun or numbers is undone to a large degree and this is where some fester, provoking and looking to use it as an opportunity to rise to power.  Smart, but not always effective and easy to get caught in the crossfire.

What's next for many, opportunity, chaos, who knows, but sometimes is motivation for some to push that little harder to be in a better position then others were when they died whether skilll set, protection levels or what they learnt from the events.

The reasoning and execution of this particular war is vital to understand - basically, I cannot recall a time in history when three sides fought, all sustained losses and there was no clear winner and no clear loser.

Was it just a glorified duel?

Templar, that's mighty presumptuous of you to say. Because it implies that anybody who doesn't know is worth shit and you made them feel that way.

Also, your main reason to say that reasons and motives should not be announced is so that hey don't argue with you? Are you afraid you won't be able to hold your own in a battle of the wits? And you admit it so blatantly? How disappointing!! If you truly feel you are right in doing something, come out and say it!! You SHOULD be ready to face the criticism, or be bold enough not to give a fuck and ignore said criticism but not having the balls to come out and say something because of what other might say is sad.

Templar, that's mighty presumptuous of you to say. Because it implies that anybody who doesn't know is worth shit and you made them feel that way.

Also, your main reason to say that reasons and motives should not be announced is so that hey don't argue with you? Are you afraid you won't be able to hold your own in a battle of the wits? And you admit it so blatantly? How disappointing!! If you truly feel you are right in doing something, come out and say it!! You SHOULD be ready to face the criticism, or be bold enough not to give a fuck and ignore said criticism but not having the balls to come out and say something because of what other might say is sad.

Nolan I have no problem whatsoever coming to the streets and justifying any of my actions or discussing them, I was mearly pointing out that no one has a right to know the ins and outs of a ducks arse, If those that perpetrated these actions don't wont to make certain things public it is entirely down to them and well within their rights to do so, and as already stated no matter what truths are put out here in the streets you will have a minority that will not take that information onboard anyway and will continue to argue facts they no little or nothing about, so in turn some people look at it as they can't be doing with all the hassles and inform certain people in other forms of communication.

Let's face it no one has a given right to know anything, yes we are all curious and yearn for information that is only natural, but just because someone somewhere demands answers should everyone be made aware of everyone elses business?, seems people forget the concept of omerta, hell some probably don't even know what that means anymore.

As for anyone that doesn't know certain things are worth shit quite where you get that from is beyond me as that was never implied anywhere by myself or anyone else for that matter.

Got to agree with Templar with regards to people knowing. It's not a standard for leaders to do this, it's a privilege that the mere minions of this world are given from time to time. If you don't know the ins and outs of what happened, then you're probably just not important enough.

Cry over that if you will.

It's true that no one really has a right to know the reasons for war and the ins and outs and whatnot. But people usually like it when an explanation is given. It makes the perpetrators look less like tyrants too (in most cases). 

Everyone has the right to know why lives where lost, and cities where salted. Our entire fabric of being is based around communication and talking about what has occurred or will occur. While I'm well aware of this new generation of mafiaso that only wants to hide in the shadows, commit crimes, sell drugs, and not talk, the old guard of this way of life isn't willing to give up what we want and desire.

I hope people continue to come out and ask why. Not everyone lives their lives in other places where conversations are more easily had. People come to the streets for answers, or hints of the truth, or even to just listen to the absolute bullshit that spews from most leaders mouths. Lines like 'you don't deserve to know' are chickenshit at best. If we can't talk about it, then what in the fuck are we doing here?

Interesting points by everyone indeed...

But really the ability to respect what has happened and move on is a useful tool in this life to have. Though If I was killed I would very indeed like an explanation on why in wonder if my death had meaning or was a pointless stray bullet that ended my life.. If you were killed in a war.. (City take down) Then maybe a brief explanation would suffice? Cause at the same time Omerta is a big thing in a mafia culture and keeping lips sealed becomes very important. Every one has there opinions on this matter of coarse but a brief explanation on my death would be ok for me. The simple was I rogued or died in war satisfies me and my bloodline shall carry on from there..

But that is just me and my opinion I suppose..

"Everyone has the right to know why lives where lost" No, they don't _Ragnarok_. It was a common practise once upon a time and while I might not agree with the reasons for a take down being withheld here in the street, I certainly don't agree that everyone has the right to know why it went down. Again, that is a privilige. If you aren't privy to that sort of information then as I stated, you probably aren't important enough or you lack the right connections.

There are many things that although happened once upon a time, no longer do. Not many people come to the streets these days, as you can see for yourself. Talking about it just isn't up there with the list of priorities for most people in this era.