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1% Mug Wack Back. BOOM | Started by: Pops on Aug 21, '15 17:27 |
How do we feel about a 1% chance of being wacked when attempting to mug someone who is made+ when you are not made+. |
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You're absolutely correct. Historically, a nonmember putting hands on a made guy equaled death. A perfect example would be Paul Gulino, an associate of the Bath Avenue Crew. He pushed Anthony Spero in the heat of an argument, and Paul knew he screwed up. That's why he immediately went into hiding afterwards. But even that couldn't save him because it would be Paul's own friends who carried out the order. Keep in mind this was in the 90's. Now imagine how reckless mugging a button man in the 30's would be...Yea, exactly. With that said, I think it should strictly be roleplay-enforced. It does give the victim a message saying who mugged him/her right? So all that's needed is a short discussion with leadership, and then they deal with it. If one crew has a certain policy that's more lenient, I don't see a problem. Everybody knows the stakes by being in the crew. |
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Reply by: Richard_Palmieri at Aug 21, '15 17:53 | |
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I think this shouldn't be a ''forced'' decision made by game mechanics and a %, but rather a decision of the Made Man getting mugged. |
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Reply by: Sovereign at Aug 21, '15 18:02 | |
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Sovereign, that wouldn't be possible. |
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Reply by: Pops at Aug 21, '15 18:12 | |
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I don't see the harm in this suggestion. It would make lower ranked members think twice about mugging a made man, which should be the case anyway. And if it's just a 1% then a death from it would be rare enough to not hurt everyday gameplay. I understand the role-play enforcement too yet I don't think this suggestion would interfere with how cities currently rule regarding PP/Mugging disputes. They simply state either respect one's profile or they don't want to have anything to do with any disputes. 99% of the time this would still be the same. |
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Reply by: Sereno at Aug 21, '15 18:20 | |
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Izzy would be dead set against this. As he has said before, when you pick a players pocket, you give permission to be mugged on three separate occasions, when you PP, when you don't bank and when you don't fly. if you get mugged, its your own choice to be mugged. Ultimately, if you wanna wack an associate for mugging you, a mademan, then that is you decision to make. |
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Reply by: Buffy_Summers at Aug 21, '15 20:01 | |
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Buffy, but that isn't your decision to make. If you wack someone who is in a crew, you're going to violate EVERY RULE SET BY EVERY CREW LEADER. |
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Reply by: Pops at Aug 21, '15 20:20 | |
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I am all for this suggestion! Never would a petty thug put hands on a made man, but we don't live in that world anymore and these things do happen! |
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Reply by: Diavolo at Aug 22, '15 00:35 | |
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I am going to echo Buffy here. There is no need to implement this. It is perfectly fine the way it is. |
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Reply by: Seraphyna at Aug 22, '15 00:39 | |
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"Izzy would be dead set against this." I think you'll find dear old Squishy takes our opinions into things far more than you think. If enough people were to give their positive input on this, I could very easily see it being a thing. As it were, I think this is a fucking phenomenal idea. It's been pointed out a few times already; both historically accurate and it also brings a larger sense of realism (something we're losing rampantly) to this place. |
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Reply by: JaxTeller at Aug 22, '15 00:47 | |
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I'm against this. If a Made+ has a problem with being mugged, he should bank his money. If he's still mugged and has a problem with it, he should do something about it, not rely on game mechanics. | |
Reply by: Padrino at Aug 22, '15 08:32 | |
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When I was fresh off the boat (back in early January... yes I'm a noob), I ran into this same situation. I was pickpocketed by someone above me. I bitched and moaned until my CL came to me and explained the situation. In the end a pp is just that, and the amount of money you make from it isn't that much to warrant my anger. I learned a valuable lesson that day; Don't take things so seriously. I think that should be taught to people. A PP isn't as much of a 'disrespect' as it is a fun way of training up a skill. Regardless of our profile statements, people are going to pickpocket. If people want to mug back and cause a chain of events that could lead to a death, so be it, but that's their decision. I never mug back, unless its a joke and the person I do it to knows that. |
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Reply by: Laughing_Man at Aug 22, '15 09:11 | |
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Pops, it is still your decision to make, regardless of the rules. The decision as to whether or not to obey the rules is your decision. The rules do not prevent you from doing something, merely counsel you not too. For instance, i could shoot you right now. Would I die? All most certainly yes, but the decision to shoot you would still be mine. As long as you are happy to take the risks and pay the price, you are free to do anything you wish. |
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Reply by: Buffy_Summers at Aug 22, '15 11:26 | |
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I'm not sure two friends who fuck around and pp/mug each other want one to end up dead. The game forcing it on you I think is a tad aggressive, I would be OK with offering a bonus to your wack skills on someone who just PP'd/Mugged you for X minutes. This way its optional? |
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Reply by: Squishy at Aug 23, '15 00:23 | |
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Sounds good to me Squishy, that way it doesn't take the decision out of the players hands. |
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Reply by: Buffy_Summers at Aug 23, '15 12:30 | |
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Don't you see people taking advantage of that though someone's friend making an account to just pp their friends so the other person can shoot them and get more wack stat then others. I just see some thing like that getting abused by someone. | |
Reply by: Rita_Hayworth at Aug 23, '15 17:49 | |
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Allow me to introduce you to ADS, Asshat Detection System. https://mafiareturns.com/izzy/ADS.jpg Basically, it finds people who make target accounts just like you are describing. Sometimes it results in being warned, admin killed, but more commonly the kills silently get removed. There is also the other safe guard that I don't think many CLs would like their member to have blood on their hand too often because of PP/Mugs. It's just bad business. So if we did go this route, there are plenty of checks and balances to ensure that its not abused. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Aug 23, '15 19:31 | |
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PP me so I can mug you Squishy! |
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Reply by: Falcon at Aug 23, '15 20:55 | |
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Falcon, heh I'm fairly sure the code stops you from mugging me... but.. im not confident enough to risk 2 billion :) |
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Reply by: Squishy at Aug 23, '15 21:33 | |
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I just want to clarify, is this potential bonus for X amount of minutes going to go towards both the person who was pickpocketed and the one who was mugged? |
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Reply by: Seraphyna at Aug 24, '15 14:34 | |
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