if this was coded in, before you even finished hitting submit on the announcement, the CLs would ban all PPing I do believe.

Why do we need a bonus for the PP offence? I thought the mugging was the retaliation there. I understand giving a bonus to the mugging.

Personally the same would hold true Sereno. This started with the gangster mugging a made man scenario, however, if we were to extrapolate further, how about an Earner picking the pocket of a Made Man, or a Wise Guy picking the pocket of a Capo? Sure the game will stop you if the person hugely out ranks you, but there is still that cross over.

Then the mugging would still be a possible option, instead of a wack. I think I'm losing the point in all this now tbh lol. I liked the original 1% idea so I'll have to leave this in your guys hands/opinions.

I don't like anything that is going to cause more issues.

While the current system works. If you PP someone, you are giving them permission and accepting the risk of being mugged. This shouldn't change because someone feels a low rank shouldn't mug them. There is still the possibility that they can't see you as it is. I get pickpocketed and I can't see them. It does still happen.

But if I do see you and I am not PP friendly, I should be able to say "Uh hell no."

Why should we implement something that is going to turn it into killing each other more? Not to mention the idea of being 1% is far too harsh for a pickpocketing. If you want someone to get 1%'d try giving them an actual player to shoot at and pray it works?

Forever I get told that pickpocketing isn't an attack. It really is. People can use it to annoy the hell out of someone. Sure they can claim its for the experience and achievements but I hardly think that is the case. If it was for fun they would stick to those that also enjoy that sort of fun. I mean if you don't like reading, you wont join a book club for fun. To you that would not be fun. So why force people?

I don't like the original idea. Instead I see it being better as it is now, than any possible changes that could be implemented that have been brought up. Just my two cents worth.

If you don't like being mugged then find someone else whose PP friendly to go back and forth with. It's simple really.

Seraphyna,

In the mob, putting your hands on a made guy = death.
However, unfortunately over here, this is simply not going to fly with leadership.
I just want to add something that gives the made+ ranks some added noteriety.

I understand that you're not familiar with the mob mentality and culture. Outside of documentaries and films, I am limited as well. However, I have seen enough documentaries to know that if a non-made guy put hands on a made guy, they would NOT be alive and nobody would bat an eye over it.

While I can understand what you want Pops. I am not a fan of it.

Because IG it means that more Made+ are going to act like dickheads. Not all but I can almost guarantee there will be one or two that will abuse the hell out of it and I Am not okay with that.

I am not okay with any of it.

Low ranks already get shit on and told we should deal with it. Now you want to kill us off because some Made Man couldn't take the time to read a profile? Or they couldn't be bothered?

It has been said time and time again, the way that you get mugged is to stick your hands in someone elses pocket. So that Made Man has to do something to get the reaction of a mugging first. Low ranks aren't just going around mugging everyone just because they can. They mug when they see the person whose hand went into their pockets.

To me that is on them, not anyone else. Have them take some responsibility for their actions. A mugging holds them accountable, as they should be.

Made Man should have more accountability then I think they do at this point. They don't get to just do whatever they want.

Why should there be accountability for a person to pick an associates pocket?
I understand that you feel the need to be respected with all of your accounts, and that just because you states "not pp friendly" means u should never get PPed. 

Why not go ahead and be "not wack friendly, even during wars"? 

That whole stating it in your profile is idiiotic. Everyone should be PP'd.
If you do PP, you run the risk of being mugged, of course.
However, if you decide to do the bonehead move of mugging someone who has a button while ure still trying to make your bones... then you should risk the 1% chance of being killed.

I have no problem with mugging. I have a problem with someone who is below made being able to mug someone made+.

 

In terms of game mechanics you are giving people the option to mug, but it's just not realistic. Sadly, Melis and her constant campaigning for the little guy seem unable to comprehend that. Low ranks should be told to deal with it, it may bring some value back to the Made rank if people know they can't mug them, for the newer players they will see it's something more than just another rank.

In the mob, you don't beat a made guy to a pulp and take all his money and even possibly his gun if you're just a Joe Nobody Goomba. It's also ridiculous to think that a crew leader could be mugged through an insane amount of protection by the same Joe Nobody.

I feel it's unlikely this is going to change though from an admin perspective, however I would like to see this enforced by the players, particularly the CL's. As my last stint as CL I forbid those of a lesser rank to mug Made+ and as far as I was aware it worked. However, it's something that everyone needs to get on board with.

I understand it's in the game as a fun aspect and I'm fairly sure admin wouldn't want to see something they've coded in being used less, but it's also down to the players to allow what's acceptable and what isn't from a playing perspective. It's not acceptable to shoot an MIA that isn't your own under 5 minutes, this is a player enforced rule, if this were to change people would find themselves down a few targets as people will definitely shoot them when possible. It's not acceptable to shoot BG's or Forts, again a player enforced rule and although this may be an extreme example as it weakens your defence, mugging has the chance of weakening your attack through stealing your gun.

While the mugging of Made's from those of a lesser rank irks me, it doesn't concern me near as much as the mugging through IWP. It blows my mind when it happens and is something I'd like to see this potential wack back idea linked with. Maybe the higher the BG's or if you are a CL the increased chance of WB there is?

Campaigning so that the lower ranks aren't constantly treated like dirt? Most certainly.

I have seen so many Made Man+ not held accountable for their actions of late and you now want to try and take away something that finally they can be held accountable for? I will never be in agreement of that. Never.

You want people to hold more weight on ranks? Sure, then actually make those in high ranks just as accountable and not let them get away with things they shouldn't.

Pickpocketing can be used as a form of harassment by players. You may not see it as such but there are occasions it has happened. Do I think we should open the door ways for that again? No.

What you guys can't seem to grasp is that its a Made's decision to instigate a pickpocket. Therefore, they weighed the risks and went ahead anyways. There are still ways to prevent being mugged in the first place, try those or just stay out of people's pockets that aren't friendly to it.

I am going to give my two cents on this entire thing because I feel like there are things being said here that to me have counter reactions needed to be said so with that being said first and foremost, if Made Men want to have some form of rank being held in their favor how about acting as such, or earning your button that others can see.

I didn't make you a Made, why do you deserve that button because you received auto-promotions for doing no work? I am not saying this is the case for everyone but we can usually clearly tell whether or not you deserved that rank and we can certainly tell whether a family is auto-promoting or not by actually watching families and if you think people do not watch then think again as I know plenty over my time that have watched and informed me in the past of Leaders who auto-promote and it makes me glad that is one thing I do not do.

Now onto the other gripe is Made acting like Made's and I am not one to sit here and say I am perfect giving some of my street posts recently have been that of a child having fun and not acting like a man with honor would, so I am not saying I am perfect here, but if you want to add respect to the rank or meaning how about acting as such? People posting in the Streets with troll threads or troll posts is not acting like the rank that you have obtained, so when low ranks see this why should they see you as such if you do not even see yourself as such when doing things that are public?

Implementing an idea such as this will not be acknowledged by myself until I see the game as a whole raise their Made standards, I cannot tell you how many people I view their profile and wonder how the hell they got ranked when their work seems so lackluster compared to everyone else, or how many times I view the Streets or funeral posts and I see people as just a name not a rank as what they are saying carries no respect or rank held with their words. 

This has been a topic I have been considering for a long time and been speaking to with people for years and I am sad to say that now days more so than ever its a collective unit that is needed to be able to add something such as this, not going to the coders to do so, the day that we as a collective group act as our rank, will be the day that we can start implementing things like this that hold rank to a higher meaning against those of lower rank, but until that day, at this point in time even though I am just one guy with an opinion, I would not support this.

"Pickpocketing can be used as a form of harassment by players." - Because taking $5000 is a real comparison to someone having their lunch money stolen off them every day. Stop being ridiculous.

Again, you're missing the point that in a role play game, playing the role of a button man usually means you shouldn't be getting mugged by a lower rank, it makes 0 sense for a CL with 175 full strength BG's to be mugged by a Gangster.

Just how are lower ranks treated like dirt? In the current system, hardly anyone treats them like dirt. Whereas if I had it my way, it may be a different matter with regards to street speaking and the like. Your constant bullshit is exactly the sort of reason why we're currently in this mess with a lack if respect for the Made rank. This isn't an equal rights rally, this is a mafia role playing game. The role of a Gangster isn't to disrespect a Made Man, whether that be in the streets talking shit or beating him to a pulp, if said Gangster does do this, realistically they should end up dead, or in very bad shape.

I don't think you can place all this on me. You realize you are asking for respect but not doing anything to earn it.

Respect isn't something you can force. While it is a role playing game there are so many other aspects of it. You think the bloodlining stuff is all based on IG stuff? I know it is not

You guys are all saying it is okay to bash someone and be disrespectful in the streets but you want me to suddenly not mug your ass if I see you in my pockets? Gimme a break. No one in their right mind is going to stand there and let someone reach into their pockets. At least not to be stolen from. So if you are seen that is all on you and you should be given a beat down.

I honestly don't think people just randomly dipped their hands into other people's pockets just because they could. That is neither smart nor logical.

I think a system based on:

• Bodyguards can prevent a mugging, depending on the amount of bodyguards and the amount of PP's of the mugger.
• You can't mug 2-3 ranks above you.

Would solve a lot.

Sovereign, if a Consig can pickpocket a gangster I think that gangster should be able to mug them. After all it was their choice to do the pickpocketing. Mugging is just the retaliation of pickpocketing the wrong person.

I like the bodyguards being taken into account. Maybe also just allow only made members to mug other made members? If you're not part of the inner society (made+) then you can only pick pocket those so many ranks above you like it is now and only mug other non made members in retaliation to someone pick pocketing you, otherwise if they are made and above you only get the option to PP in response.