Well lets just talk about a few things I have done in the past.

First to mention would be my character as DonnieTheLionHeart, I was accused of Target accounting with fellow members of the community which I have to say I was not doing, but oh well it seemed so and I was punished, fair play it looked suspicious so I took the fall, I love the game I would not argue with admin over something which in turn could end my playing career so I took a hit on the chin and carried on playing trying to be a better player than before, I did well until a few weeks back but let me talk about a few things before this.

Billy Bathtub and I have been playing games together since '06 I would say and He has never taken a liking to me, From time to time I have cocked up and been an ass but all in all I have always looked up to Billy and tried my best to be respectful and try to be a good sport and play fair and do well and look like I want to play and do good things, I must agree I have cocked up fair few times but who hasn't ...Maybe I did a few things I shouldn't have but I had my reasons, shitty reasons as they were I had them,

This brings me to the point of Tie and me HQ'ing things and causing havoc for such a trusting and loveable man.

Let me put this into perspective, I had swine flu...ooooh you say, well I did and my mother locked me in my room (no lie) for a whole week, she would walk in evenings and slide dinner onto my bed then leave I was not allowed to leave my room , this made me furious, then one night I managed to slip a bottle of vodka in my room and drank it happily and drowned most of my sorrows, then my good friend Tie came on, I was out of control and thought I could trick an old player whom I had much respect for over many a year, to let me be his RHM for a few minutes to take a screen print and show fellow players how cool I was, He agreed and set me as his RHM, this is when things turned sour, I HQ'd his RHM a dedicated and old friend of mine known as Gaara, I HQ'd him just like that, click of a button and he was gone, I then took it upon myself to demote 3 Consig characters back to the lowly rank of civvy before smuggling 5 million out of Tie's bank and getting shot in the face, Which was most deserved.

Anyway, I re-signed up as PrinceSeagal and played hiding incognito from the world of mafia, this worked well and I managed to get made man in a New York family I worked hard and showed the crew I was capable to do well I got made and then was given the privilege to become a sponsor to which I recruited two wonderful players to teach and help along the way, I was later approached by a good friend and long time player Premeir who said he would try and help me, I gave away my incog character and was duely shot for it, which I agree I deserved, nonetheless I come to you guys now to see whether I could indeed make a proper account and maybe play again without the fear of being blood lined or killed for my previous mistakes, fair play I was an utter prick back then but I can assure you I have changed, So all I ask is a chance to prove myself and wondered what you guys thought...

Thank you foremost for reading this thread and I can agree most of you dislike me for the things I have done in the past and yes I have been given chances before and screwed things up but this Time I am seriously wanting to start a fresh.

I currently am at University studying towards a degree in computing, I am glad I played this game because Sprozza, Satanta and mario himself helped me writing my personal statement which in fact got me into uni and I have had some pretty close friendships along the way, I love this place and I would be so lost without MR in my life so all I ask is for you players out there that I have hurt in the past to give me this one last chance to show you I can be a good player and I can take back all the shitty things I have done and maybe ...Maybe I can be a good player.

Billy Bathtub, We have had our ups and downs, and our fair share of disagreements in our time, but both you and I know this was mainly out of jealousy, you had everything I could ever of dreamed of and I took it upon myself to try and make you know how jealous I was, be it from being a chump on mIRC or random mails in game I was always jealous of how great you had become and how powerful you were, all this Aside I am greatly apologetic and I would love for you to forgive me but somehow I do not see this happening over night however I hope that maybe in the months to come you can see how sorry I am and that if given a chance I can be a respectable player.

I would love to hear from you all, be it nice things or abuse I feel getting your views out in the open may help us all move forward.

It seems I have missed something else which I feel is important,

Word on the strrets is that I was spamming up abuse on the Jaundies website gallery which I must say I was not, Kungy an old player was Trying to get me in shit, earlier in the day he tried to nap me on mafia.org and I wb his chara Dead! , he then took it upon himself to abuse billy on pictures found on the Jaundies gallery, I felt bad because I knew it would link back to me somehow so I posted telling him to STFU and leave billy alone, alas it seems people assume I was the one being abusive even though it was kung all along.

The posts have been deleted so I have no proof but eh, thought I would mention it.

Well, I don't know you.  And wow at what you did. But, I personally don't believe in bloodline hunting as this is a rpg and you should be playing w/e kind of character you have decided you are going to be, whether it be a sweet pleasent little old lady with a bakery or a in-your-face bully who noone likes as well as endless other possibilities.  I have no connections with the ones you hurt so in reality my opinion is probably meaningless but since you have all ready been back, done well and then when you gave up your incognito were shot for your bloodline, I'd say enough is enough, especially if what you are saying is true about wishing to play as a serious, honest character.  Well as honest as any mafioso can be. 

Chuckie,

As your former crew leader, I will admit that I had no problems.  You worked well in my crew and were a valuable contributor to the family.  I don't know what to say about the previous mess you made because it wasn't between you and me.  I am sorry that it became what it is and personally am willing to believe that you are sincere in your repentance.  I hope others might see it that way as well

Starshine

Well... I'd love to help you out Chuckie, but we all know how useless I am at changing my ways. I don't know whether or not we're quite the same though. You seem to be sorry for the things you've done, eh? Well who knows if you're sincere. I happen to believe you, but I'm biased. We're both in the same boat in the fact that not many people like us. 

We are completely different, however, in the fact that you're apologizing. I get ridiculed and laughed at constantly for dying all the time, "screwing up," etc etc. I do not apologize for the things I've done, nor will I ever. Ninety percent of my deaths happened because I chose to do something to die for. The other ones? Well, WB, dying in wars, the normal stuff.

I guess it takes a bigger man to admit his mistakes though, so my hat goes off to you. Or, it would, if I was wearing one.

Having been shown the posts I made about the gallery I can see I was beign an ass then too, so any suggestions how I can become a better person I would love to hear from you because I am honestly trying to change.

See it how you wish and feel how you feel but there is an adult inside me trying to push through the childish mishaps and abuse I have caused to others, namely billy bathtub. I am ashamed seeing what I have done and feel ashamed with myself for letting things get this bad.

Before I start making my point, I want to make it clear (if it is not already), that I am the RHM Will mentions in this thread. I know that people have probably not noticed, but I did not post in the family line killing post. Now don't get me wrong, I do applaud and value greatly the opinions and valid points that have been voiced (especially family heads from other cities).  However, I do feel that Will/Chuckie should be given another chance. Perhaps it is because I am more forgiving (or perhaps even more stupid) then other people, but I know that I would feel wrong if I kept on punishing Will for what he did on one account. I am a massive believer behind the notion that 'people deserve a second chance', and have noticed positive outcomes from people that have been given another chance (Clipper for one).

If Clipper can do it, why can't Will?

Just a quick add on to my previous post. I am commenting entirely on what took place in Las Vegas. I have no knowledge of what happend between Will, Kungy, and the events that took place with regards to the picture gallery.

I've been bloodline hunted, probably far more vigorously than you will ever be.

I'm not much for second and third chances, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me and all that. You've made your bed and now have the unfortunate consequence of having to lie in it. My advice is that you suck it up and power through it like those of us who have been subjected to something similar have done.

~T~

"Having been shown the posts I made about the gallery I can see I was begin an ass then too, so any suggestions how I can become a better person I would love to hear from you because I am honestly trying to change."

What ever 'great idea' you suddenly have, don't do it. What ever 'hilarious' joke you just thought of, don't say it. What ever 'thought provoking' question you would like to ask, don't ask it. There was a reason why humans were born with 2 ears and only 1 mouth. So just sit back and soak everything in, watch how people react to each other and try to learn. And dont come on MR or IRC drunk.

If your offences were purely IG related (being a rogue and such) then yeah i would want to see you change. Other people have changed and become very successful in this game. But it seems you love to take those things just that 'little' bit further and either touch or attempt to touch personal nerves. Now if your next question is how to stop doing that please refer to the middle paragraph, or maybe mature a bit.

Billy Bathtub and I have been playing games together since '06 I would say and He has never taken a liking to me, From time to time I have cocked up and been an ass but all in all I have always looked up to Billy and tried my best to be respectful and try to be a good sport and play fair and do well and look like I want to play and do good things

I stopped reading after this part because you are prefacing an apology thread by saying that Billy didn't like you and then ending this small part with a piece of "trying to be a good sport and play fair" when you obviously haven't.

Good luck to you in your future endeavors.

If it bothers you that people will "bloodline" hunt then keep your past secret. And prove yourself worthy of trust.

I can't really believe this apology in the slightest. If you were really that sorry and felt 'oh so bad', you would've sent Tie the 5 million you stole off of him instead of buying yourself some bodyguards on PrinceSeagal.

Bovine forgives you, but I will watch closely from the grazing fields your development.

Hmm. I like you as a person Chuckie, and we all fuck up occasionally. Of course, I define fucking up as generally a mistake. The fact that you deliberately fucked up kinda makes it a tad more difficult for people to brush it aside and give you a clean slate. As they say, time is a healer. I suggest you keep your head down for a while and if nobody hears anything bad about you then you may be able to continue playing unhindered. Who knows.

I'd love to see you progress back up

But me personally im a forgiver alot of maffioso are never as leaniant

"Having been shown the posts I made about the gallery I can see I was beign an ass then too, so any suggestions how I can become a better person I would love to hear from you because I am honestly trying to change."

I believed everything you said up until this point. Personally this suggests to me you yourself struggle to believe you can change without help. If you cant find the change within yourself, the change will never be genuine. If you must ask for tips on how to mature, then you are far from doing so.

What the above business has to do with me is very little, but I am nosy and inquisitive and so I like to leave an opinion. Despite some comments I have made which may seem harsh, I still believe that you deserve a second chance. Whether you should stop being hunted, is not for me to pass judgment on, but if they decide not to stop hunting you, stay quiet and underground. Wait till you are respected and then repay your debts to those who have lost for you. Everybody can have it in them to forgive, even if they feel at present to the contrary.

This is the best advice I can give with my limited experience in this mafiosi world I have had, but I hope at least part of it, you will heed and take seriously. I mean you no disrespect, and can often come across that way, but rest assured, I have no feelings other than utter respect for this attempt, even though I feel it was ill judged.

+ID+

If I understand correctly, it wouldn't be a second chance he would be given, but at least a fourth or fifth. I do believe everybody deserves a second chance, but how many times will it take for many people to go "Nah, man, go away. I don't believe you." and many others are probably "yeeeah, you probably did change... but no way in hell am I risking MY guys to let you prove it".

i remember you as Donniethelionheart, you were my first CL and even though you say you werent Account targeting i believe you were.

you killed three of ym accounts one after another. just thought id add this in.