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Please Read: Voting Dishonesty Started by: Squishy on Oct 25, '09 21:26

As you can see quite a bit of accounts were just removed from the game for dishonest voting practices.

I want to explain it again, just so that everyone is clear on what vote fraud is.

The +'s at the top of your screen, when clicked, pulls up a voting website. When you are at the website, you are supposed to do one of two things:

1) Click the vote button.
2) Type in the captcha code (scrambled letters)

When you do these things, you actually earn the XP and Cash we just paid you. When you deliberately do not do these things, but still try to collect - that is fraud.

Now what is our threshold for determining if its fraud or not?

Well.

You will come across sites that wont load.
You will come across sites that the code is impossible.
You will come across sites that will error out and wont work.
You will come across sites that you accidentally close your browser.
You will come accros sites that you open up the EXACT second your door bell goes off and you have to run.

This is all human. Miss 20% of your vote sites every day? No fucking problem!
Miss 100% of your vote sites every day? errmm... theres no reason for that :(

We will continue to periodically go through the logs and give light wrist taps to those that need a reminder that they have to follow the rules.

I don't want to scare you off of voting, please don't think that is my intention. I would never willingly wack a player who votes for the betterment of the game but happens to miss a few for whatever reasons. I just can't understand someone who clicks all the pluses and tries to get all the rewards but gives a big "fuck you!" to the site when its time to do the actual work.

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I agree with everything you say here, but I have one question. What determines the penalty of either death or jail? I have seen alot dead and a few jailed.

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Punishment was determined based on the extent of the infraction.

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Those jailed were way outside the "norm" of acceptable "actual votes to +'s ratio"

Think along the lines of "Clicked 50 +'s.... voted on 10"

Those killed were way way outside the "norm".

Think along the lines of "Click 50 +'s.... voted 0";

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Well with those numbers I can definitly see the fairness in the decisions made.

Im probably 40/50, with random non page loads and impossible codes.

So considering 10/50 keeps you alive, I think thats very generous.

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Well, moral of the day, errm, night.

Don't be lazy and think you can get away with not voting. The voting is not for granted.

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I am actually amazed the people would go to the trouble of clicking on the link but not voting. I suppose it shows a level of deception though. To be fair I have seen numerous comunications about voting with lots of detail and notes to say that there would be consequences. Fair play... :)

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I agree that people who 'vote' but don't actually follow through are cheating the site.  I am a bit surprised that it's possible to monitor what someone does on an unrelated site in an unrelated browser window/tab.

Guess I'll be staying away from beastality porn when I'm on MR then.....

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Why not give us a quick display page that shows our vote stats so we can make sure we'll alright and if not, be proactive in bringing it to your attention. Most of my voting takes place at work, but as I've already said to you privately Squishy, sometimes they will crash my browser, not load or be blocked for proxy avoidance. Not many, but some.

I know you have said above that this is fine and won't be flagged, so there's no problem. Really though, what's the incentive for me to even bother flirting with the risk? There is none (small cash boost excepted). If I could see that I was alright, it would help.
 If the information is there...

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Cash boost... Exp boost... Achievements reward... Supporting a site that has been here for you to call home for years and that deserves the love and attention of a simple click. These rewards are our way of saying "Hey, thanks!".



If we want the game to grow this is one of the best ways of advertising. For us to get new members we need to be high up on the lists. For that we need you. This is one way that you can give back to a game and community that has given you somewhere to hang your reality cap up and escape to a world where there is no homework, no marital "bliss", no mom nagging you, no little brother or sister annoying you..



As Izzy said only those who blatantly do not vote will be punished. These sites report back to us so we can verify and hand out the rewards earned. It's not like we have webcams pointed over your shoulder spying on your every move... Or have installed spyware on your system to steal that awesome free porn site you found.



If you do miss a few but vote most of the time, you'll be fine. We are targeting those who do NOT vote at all. The ones sitting there with a big goose egg for the sites that require a code. We understand that there are impossible codes, browser issues, and sites that have a timer on the code. This has been stated. The chances of death for this reason are slim. We can tell those who put an effort into it from those that do not.



So don't stop voting out of fear of death.. If you stop voting our site will cease to grow. Simple as that.
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You admins are very generous I must say and Thank you for sharing this infomation with us all.

To be fair I vote every day or two. Here are the errors I personally encounter which I know Squishy is aware of for me.

# One of the sites doesn't always load on FireFox. About 7 in every 10 presses of that + It doesn't load.

The errors I make myself..

# Typing the code wrong but I still type the new one.
# Getting distracted and the timer vote running out.

I must say how I vote aswell. I use my mouse wheel and click on all the +'s all after each other to open every vote page in tabs on the same browser then I go through one by one voting as to me it saves time having to click a + voting then going back to MR and clicking another + and so on.

This is one question I must ask though and if any admin could reply to the question so I know I would be most greatful and no doubt this is another issue for others aswell.

I share an IP address with my cousin as you might know, and If he votes before I get chance to (like if he wakes up in a morning before me) then when I go to vote and click the 'Vote Here' button it sometimes comes up...

'You have already voted this 12/24hours please try again later'

What will happen if I was to get that often ?

I don't usually but in the odd occasion I do.

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Many of the sites do a "callback" and let us know the status of the vote.  Some of them report back "Vote not counted, duplicate vote".  On our side, we count that as a success, hey you tried, but some other person on your ip got it first.  We still count it as though you voted because we know many of you play with husbands, wives, sons, daughters, and captive gimp that live in the basement.

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I knew someone was robbing all my bandwidth.

Gets a kitchen knife and heads to the basement for a freindly chat with a gimp

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Ok Thanks Squishy and Hahahhah Raptor, im sure you will make great friends with that gimp mate.

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The only site I know for sure I have missed more than once is the one that has the timer bar.  Other than that it's very very rare to not have a page load or let me vote.  And usually, if a page times out or doesn't load I leave the page open and reload it a few minutes later and am able to vote. Nfp.

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In all fairness, I would like to point out this thread written when the voting was put into place. And some of the people killed have brought it to my attention and this is why they did what they did with the voting.

http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/24601


In this thread it does state that there was a clean up script and it would show if someone did or did not vote, and that if you did not vote, it would remove the $$ and XP given for the vote.


Could this be a misunderstanding on my part? Or did something get lost in translation when it comes to the code?

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<blockquote>In all fairness, I would like to point out this thread written when the
voting was put into place. And some of the people killed have brought
it to my attention and this is why they did what they did with the
voting.

http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/24601



In this thread it does state that there was a clean up script and it
would show if someone did or did not vote, and that if you did not
vote, it would remove the $$ and XP given for the vote.



Could this be a misunderstanding on my part? Or did something get lost in translation when it comes to the code?</blockquote>

I guess it was a misunderstanding on my part also..My computer has been broken and didnt get around to checking that mail and wasnt worried cause I thought that you just took the money and xp away..guess I better learn how to read better.

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To me it just seems a bit confusing. I would think that by this thread the people in question really shouldn't be punished as greatly as they were for being "dishonest".

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A mail was sent out to users warning them that they would suffer "disciplinary action" for failing to follow through on votes going forward. I fail to see how this could be anyone's fault except for those who willingly continued to click on the voting sites without actually voting.

By the way, I thought you agreed with everything that was originally said here?

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You cheat, you die. Simple as. They cheated. Ergo, exactly.

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