Well, I can understand the fact that people dont want to sit there and look at +++++++++++++++++++ at the top of their screens. Yes. We had to look at +++ at the top for 2 years, but its different now that theres 20 +'s.

But I also agree that lazy people should be disciplined, but death is a bit harsh in my opinion. The severity should be judged upon how long they are in admin jail. 3 days = 0 votes... 2 days = 10-20 votes  etc...But thats why I am a player and not an admin. I support all the admins do for the game. Thank You.

Vote fraud? You're boosting a single account by effectively getting paid to lower our standings in the voting sites. This is a chain reaction which leads to lowered registrations, lowered IAs, and less fun for all involved. So voting fraud not only effects the one or two accounts involved, it effects the ENTIRE SITE.

Given that some people have died, some are in jail - with a mixture of sentences from 19 hours to 3 days - I presume there is some kind of scaling range of punishments being used by admins for consistency.

Why not just publish that and also publish stats so people can see their own. It might encourage people to continue voting. As I say, it's clear you are only going for the worst offenders, but it all comes across quite aggressively. So, the options appear to be:

- Help us by voting, but if you fuck up, there is a chance you'll be put in jail or die. By the way, we're not disclosing the fuck up levels. Or,
- Don't vote and don't help the site, but we'll gladly leave you alone without any risk.

Please note, as I've said numerous times, I have voted continuously for months. However, that doesn't mean I can't see where people with an issue are coming from. A bit more openness with the available information might help, especially when it's not really sensitive data (I'm talking about punishment levels and personal voting stats).

"Vote fraud? You're boosting a single account by effectively getting paid to lower our standings in the voting sites. This is a chain reaction which leads to lowered registrations, lowered IAs, and less fun for all involved. So voting fraud not only effects the one or two accounts involved, it effects the ENTIRE SITE." (PhelixTheSphinx, 10/26/09 10:34).

You are incorrect. Unless accessing and closing the vote window *decreases* MafiaReturns' rank, this problem is actually just as simple to solve as duping. To be honest, the above statement is almost an entire exaggeration. "Effectively getting paid"? It's MAYBE $5,000 a vote. Hardly effective. I very much doubt that if 1 person decides to reap the rewards of the "+"s without voting, we will not see a massive drop in registrations and users. The only drop in "fun", would be for those who are admin-jailed or killed for misusing it.

As for the actual discussion; I feel "voting" as a whole should be a part of the "options" menu. Just like the WYSIWYG editor, it came down to preference. However, with the decision to vote or not, you have consequences. Less money, less exp. Therefore, it should definitely be the choice of the players, if they want to vote or not. Otherwise, what's the point? If people are FORCED to vote, what does that really say about our game?

Instead of making a big deal about it, just keep the voting sites accessible to those who want to vote. Then, those who want to vote, and want their family to vote, can. If people STILL abuse the system, they should be dealt with quite severely.

Mux, we have seen a massive drop in registrations over the course of the last couple months. We have been fighting to figure out why. We have also seen a massive drop in our vote site rankings, which are entirely dependent on our users voting for us. Now you tell me how this is NOT decreasing MafiaReturns' rankings on these vote sites?

Furthermore "effectively being paid" means that you are being paid. Receiving $5,000 a vote is being paid, if only very little. You also receive experience points. Noone is being forced to vote. The issue here isn't "YOU MUST VOTE OR DIE" it is "IF YOU CLICK THE PLUS, YOU DO THE VOTE, OR RISK THE CONSEQUENCES" so the simple answer is, the OPTION is, to click the plus, or to not click the plus.

The only reason registration dropped in MY opinion is because of the little summary you give the game with the whol" the cold steel of the .45 presses deeper into your skull" ppl think " Oh shit a computer game with some graphics and you can acutally do sumthin on there" thats why I joined 2 acc ago and when I played this for the first time I was like wtf is this shit?

But for some reason this game grew on me

that little summary has been there since the beginning.

"The +'s on my screen are highly intrusive and I feel they impede my ability to play and enjoy this game to the maximum level.
Reply by: Noah-Levenstein at Oct 26, '09 08:02"


You mean impede your ablitiy to see the fatal wackback screen?

Smiles

i live in the midlle of the fuckin woods and i only have dial up internet unless i pay a 3000$ installation fee, and i aint paying 3k just for fuckin high speed internet, so if i take the time to go through all them fuckin web sites just to vote then id be taking up approx 3 hours of my day to do so. i have a fuckin job and work all day long unlike most of you fuckin keyboard jerking assholes who sit on here and play MR all fuckin day waitin for your mailbox check to come in.!!

I dont know about you guys but I use firefox and my +'s are very small, how they can be annoying I dont know but I guess everyone has their pet peeves.

As for creating away to turn them off, I personally dont think its required but maybe something admins can look into if its that big of a deal.

Lastly, if you died from vote fraud, guess what... you where givin ample warning with Squishy's mass mail.. You chose to disregard the notice thus choosing your fate..  Most of us have seen the results of disregarding admin mails/notices and I believe they chose the right path.

It definitly got the point across..

"i
live in the midlle of the fuckin woods and i only have dial up internet
unless i pay a 3000$ installation fee, and i aint paying 3k just for
fuckin high speed internet, so if i take the time to go through all
them fuckin web sites just to vote then id be taking up approx 3 hours
of my day to do so. i have a fuckin job and work all day long unlike
most of you fuckin keyboard jerking assholes who sit on here and play
MR all fuckin day waitin for your mailbox check to come in.!!"

Simple, dont click the +'s................  Not clicking them saves you moving your mouse to the little x after you commit vote fraud ;)

It only cost me $2999 for the internet installation on my floating airship.

Let us sail away, Rourke, in your massive dirigible with the open access wifi. We'll perpetually be on cloud nine and live the rest of our days sipping martinis and mass emailing penis enlargement advertisements and personal ads for hot singles in every area.

Can I please be added to the mailing list?

I'm hot and single.

Play mob game. Receive in game warning. Ignore warning. Die. Cry and whine.

I agree, you should leave, you didn't "get" it.

Shit. When did Rourke get an Airship Factory?? I thought that feature wasn't out til 2010.

Sadface

You mean impede your ablitiy to see the fatal wackback screen?Smiles

Reply by: Dagenham_Dragon at Oct 26, '09 17:56

Amusing.