Well at least this Don thought the rank mattered. I stand by my contracts and my attempted hit. LA is a stain on every Don.

Evidence supporting your claim of shame?

Shame? I hardly think so. I did what needed done, too bad I failed.

You have rightfully failed.

What stain has L.A left on any Don? Who have they harmed, what have they done wrong?

If you are trying to fight the point that "Bosses don't lead Dons", all I must do is cite the tale of Joan of Arc.

why are you dead al?

Although I completely disagree with your reasoning for hiring a hit and shooting at PJ, I also must applaud you for standing up for your beliefs.

It is too rare here that someone will stand up and say what's on their mind while sitting at any respectful sort of rank, the main reason for this being that you will almost always be shot, as will most likely happen this time.

However, you must also understand that while you yourself hold the rank of Don, you do not hold any type of authority in Detroit. Your job instead, should be to follow and listen, instead of piping up and commenting on matters such as these. Fair enough if you want to debate on some shit some thug has brought to the street, but it is not your place to be disagreeing with numerous Godfathers and Leaders on what happens within L.A.

a good mentor gone so sad a day.

I gotta say TesleR, I completely agree with you.


It is really lacking these days that people take action and stand up for what they believe in. Maybe the kind of action was the wrong one to take but still, the principle of what Al did was respectable.

As for peoples opinions on whether or not I and LA are tarnishing the rank of Don. Let me have it. I'd love to hear what people are thinking and see if I can help put across my opinions that counter them.

i want to know why al is dead

Add 2+2 Mac, you'll get there eventually :)

two and two was added long ago, to be honest. i understand don anastasia's actions were not well received by the people he was going against, but my complaint lies in the fact of 'why was a don from detroit shot without any notice to his family first'? or am i completely off the mark here? are we allowed to shoot whomever we want from other gf families? because if so i have my eye on a few people id like to see go.

Don't we all Mac.

Let's be honest here. In no way am I going to explain to a low ranking member of Detroit why someone was shot. I will however assure you that people were notified and time is always a factor.

That's the last I care to say about it to anyone other than Godfather PedroRourke.

people were notified, but were they the proper ones? i mean, i realize i'm a low ranking member of detroit, blah blah, but to me al was a treasured mentor and i'll certainly miss him. in our hq the reasons behind his death were certainly a mystery. doesn't do us any good if some rh to one of the caporegime families was the one notified, does it?

Heh, Alright. One more thing i'll say.

Get your facts right before challenging me in public about it.

Right, really... Last words from me.

i'm not meaning to challenge anyone on anything, i'm merely trying to get a feel for how things work around here. maybe i do know the facts better than i'm letting on, but i am choosing not to spread the dirty laundry of an incident that doesn't involve me into the streets. i merely want to know if it really has become okay for leaders to shoot one another's members for their misdeeds?

things like that were viewed as disrespect in the past and i just want to know what the general consensus was on this issue now. at this point, i can see you think me nothing more than an unintelligent gangster which, i admittedly am. yet it speaks volumes when someone wont take the time to touch on the issue at hand, and would rather skirt around the subject matter. my apologies if my debate topic has seemingly touched a nerve of yours, boss jono.

my apologies, boss poisonousjelly. i seem to have lost my brain there for a minute. nothing new on that front, at least. good to know i'm still slightly deranged.

"Reasons behind his death was certainly a mystery"

Yes, very mysterious that Al was shot for shooting at the Acting Head of Los Angeles.

While you may be in the family of a Godfather, you must realise that at times there will be information passed between families that you will have no idea about. You are, as PJ quite rightly said, a low ranking member of Detroit, therefore you are not entitled to know the ins and outs of most situations.

say i am more valuable to detroit than you all assume. say i do know the situation at hand, and say i was there with the upper structure of the city when the entire incident went down. now, all those facts aside, are you all really going to not answer my question because i'm low ranked? really? that's a petty way to escape a debate, nay, a simple answer to a question.

is it really alright for people to shoot one another's families? that's the matter at hand. what does everyone else think or feel? share your opinions, as i'm truly interested.

Mac, do you suggest that PJ waited til Pedro or his RH was online and hoped for the best that Al didn't attempt the hit again?

Ultimately, Al was a rogue since he shot on his own accord and for his own reasons. Despite being in a crew he had to be shot swiftly before more damage could be done. It would be idiotic to act in any other way.