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Following through with the 303, fin. | Started by: Squishy on Sep 12, '16 21:19 |
So here we are, 4.5 months ago and 3.5 months ago, I gave like a 19th chance and 20th chance, and now today the drama continues once again. All current and former 303 members who have gone out of their way to intentionally cause trouble are now on the list to be randomly killed off once they have done enough work so that it stings.
You were warned. You were warned 37 times. You were given free passes out the wazoo. But its not enough, today you want to start rumors? It must be utterly exhausting living in your world where if you don't get a witness statement, that its easier to assume that its an admin faking a wack attempt, then to assume that maybe users are lazy and didn't kick it up to you, or maybe that the user doesn't like the user who was shot at, or maybe the user sold the damn thing, or maybe the user likes the attackers side better. No, you just assume its an admin sending fake witness statements. Or worse, you just enjoy stirring the shit pot. |
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Good. Don't take no shit from anyone. | |
Reply by: HiMyNameIs at Sep 12, '16 22:25 | |
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Why not just ban them instead of doing something so cruel. |
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Reply by: Karlos at Sep 13, '16 07:12 | |
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Is it really worth all this? People are always going to be disgruntled and sometimes there's nobody to complain about other than the admins. The user base is so small that we can't really afford to be losing more players, particularly ones with bags of experience and who do make the game interesting. Sure they've fucked up, sure rumours may have gotten around, but is it so bad that it warrants this sort of response? You've not seen eye to eye with them for some time so they were always going to find some way of being resistant, has it messed up the game anyway? No. Do people believe the rumours? Some may but honestly who cares? Let people think what they want to think, they'll still play the game but it just gives them something more to moan about once they die again, a person to point a finger at, which is all some people need sometimes. I've seen this several times from you, an emotional response to something which doesn't require it. Admin wacks should be for people who cheat the game and break the rules and last I checked there was nothing against people making up bullshit and spreading it around. You have literally drove people from your game and others that may have been affiliated with them and I just don't understand it. Today you've DD'd Curiosity for a rumour, potentially said months ago, no doubt people will have had a lot to say about the admin team over the years, I would expect half or more of your user base to be DD'd if we're going by those same standards. I honestly think you just need to let this shit slide rather than let it annoy you and have you react to it in a way which you wouldn't typically see from a game admin. I understand your frustrations and understand you've given plenty of chances but I still don't think it warrants this sort of response. Hopefully I'm entitled to my opinions but I wouldn't be surprised if I were on the end of a DD for this either tbh, that is the kind of reaction we've grown accustomed to over the years, sadly. |
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Reply by: FitzChivalry at Sep 13, '16 08:14 | |
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I'm not sure I understand the 'rumours' or why they are so taboo. I wasn't around for the incidents this group were involved in, but making accusations about admin activity is surely outright redundant? This is their game. If these incidents of unexplained witness statements was true, would it not be considered a feature? Something to progress the game? In my mind, this game isn't ours, it isn't our career or passion that is at stake. Admin can protect that or implement features as they see fit to maintain appeal or prevent its integrity being challenged. They certainly are not looking to reduce the number of influential people that frequent it. Any action which is being taken is clearly a last resort and not taken lightly. That being said, I'll miss the people who have felt they needed to leave and just hope this whole thing can be resolved. |
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Reply by: ChristianGato at Sep 13, '16 08:26 | |
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I've never understood why you don't just create a customer services team to handle all user related matters and interactions to take yourself out of the firing line. |
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Reply by: green at Sep 13, '16 08:39 | |
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The rumours that caused the death of Curiosity were started by a former coder/admin of the game. Passed to a user who then passed the details to other users months and months ago. Curiosity is dead because of her affiliation with 303 more so than the fact she passed on a rumour. Considering she isn't part of 303, the timing of the death is somewhat distasteful at the least. I'm shocked and disappointed at these actions in a time where we are trying to rebuild this thing of ours. Cities have been laid to waste with recent events and Curiosity was a key member of Chicago to help rebuild this world and instead, we've had the rug pulled from our feet and knocked us back down again. Will the game recover? Of course. But a bad taste is now left in the mouth of a great many users. This only serves to cause friction between the users and the admins and given that the reason for the friction with 303 in the first place was the problems it caused in game, it seems ironic that to take such drastic action now is simply causing problems and friction where there was none. Such a shame really. |
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Reply by: Slash at Sep 13, '16 09:17 | |
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Libel and slander, especially when done by someone in a position of power, causes harm to my reputation, the games reputation, and the user experience as a whole. I will not stand idle and let paranoid people, especially crewleaders, plant the seed of doubt and pass misinformation as fact. Reductio ad absurdum. If you don't get a witness statement on a missed stealthed wack attempt, it must be because the admins are cheating right? Of the thousands of wacks that take place weekly, how many do the 500 active people kick up to the WS collector on a days average? All of them? Of the thousands of wacks that take place weekly, how many get ignored? Or land into the hands of someone who doesn't like the target. Or likes the the attacker more. Or doesn't give a shit. Or loses it in a sea of other personals. Or sold it to the warden without seeing it. Or traded it to get out of jail. Or waits for a reward offered .. that never happens. Or simply ignores the 8 mass mails that the city sent in the past 48 hours. The obvious answer, clearly Occam's Razor, is that since the Admin can send fake personals like 'Peguins dressed like elves stole all your right socks", then it must be the admins on a giant conspiracy to fake a stealthed missed shot. But please, ignore the other two witness statements that we did receive because that would be contrary to the conspiracy.
So yeah, sometimes I have to be the bad guy. Sometime the multiple warnings needs to actually be followed through with. Sometimes the sanctity of game is more important than the feelings of those who try to hurt it. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Sep 13, '16 09:30 | |
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But the time and effort they put in. To kill them off is just wrong. Suspend or something but killing the account offf. Just ban them save them from wasting there time. You are hitting them where it hurts. Its bullying. | |
Reply by: Karlos at Sep 13, '16 11:02 | |
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Fully backing the admin on this one. Nice one, good to see people getting what they deserve | |
Reply by: BeatTakeshi at Sep 13, '16 11:16 | |
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Karlos, it isn't bullying. Lets not start trying to throw things at it and call it something it isn't. |
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Reply by: Slash at Sep 13, '16 11:44 | |
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Lol at some of these comments. |
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Reply by: chestbrah at Sep 13, '16 12:02 | |
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Karlos, I encourage you to go back through the multiple threads that were previous warnings and previous peace offerings, the start of this thread is a direct copy and paste from the latest warning (I believe it was the 4th warning?). There is no one in 303 who doesn't know that the goal is to just move on past this, and that all their slates are wiped clean and all there past actions are forgiven and forgotten if we can just go a period of time without indecent. Yesterday, their names crossed my desk 3 times. Two of which were logs, and one was me being told that 303 was being considered to be authed. Simplicity was killed not for being 303, but for admin accusations. Morty was not killed yesterday because I do not know how long ago the incident in the logs took place. I have not killed anyone from 303, but, the option is there and the option is open if/when problems persist. You ask why don't I ban them? Because dealing with ban evasion has proven to be a problem with them in the past. Its easier to just ask them to leave, and when they don't, execute them. There is nothing new here, they all knew this is the consequences if problems persist, this isn't out of the blue. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Sep 13, '16 12:26 | |
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I'm confused. What is the 303? Is it like some sort of group? |
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Reply by: Vegeta at Sep 13, '16 12:34 | |
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" Yesterday, their names crossed my desk 3 times... and one was me being told that 303 was being considered to be authed." Absolutely hilarious. |
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Reply by: chestbrah at Sep 13, '16 12:36 | |
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While I agree with pretty much everything you have said, you can still read how personal this is which it should never reach that point being an admin because that is where it crosses the line just like the userbase crossing the line with admin accusations. Someone has to wear the bigger pants around here and you can't put that expectation on the users. I have worked IT for many years. I have been accused of giving out personal information on users, special treatment/access to users, everything down to giving X user more bandwidth to run reports than Y user which is absolutely ridiculous just the same as watching what they do at home on their laptops. If we fired everyone that made these insane accusations to our department we wouldn't be in business anymore. If you want to be taken seriously I would highly advise you to start running this as an admin and leaving the emotions and personal distaste for some of the userbase at home. Everyone of us has someone we work with that we just don't like. We just have to learn to put that behind us and keep working. I'm not saying don't use the the resources you have at your disposal such as DD and the impossible to enforce banning but leave the emotions out of it and be professional. No matter what you do, there will be users that want to argue about it, you've been through that mess for how many years now? You know very well there is no right way to explain yourself as the explanation will be ripped apart and will only piss more people off. Do what you think is right. State the facts. And move on. | |
Reply by: BobbyMunson at Sep 13, '16 12:49 | |
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Bobby, you're right. Its difficult to be emotionless when you are passionate about something (which is probably what incites both sides of this situation). But in the end you are right. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Sep 13, '16 13:01 | |
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"Simplicity was killed not for being 303, but for admin accusations."
If this is the case, why is the numbers thing being brought up, and in the title of the thread?
That's kind of like catching someone with hardcore porn in their profile, or advertising their buddies game through spam mails then after admin wacking them writing up a thread titled "For fuck sakes people stop duping!" :s
regardless of the fact, I hope whoever came forward with the logs did so immediately OR is being punished if the logs weren't fresh. As it would seem if these logs were from before the war and the informing player then waited with that information ready to go until an opportune moment came up, like say... curiosity was one of the few CLs who survived the war (and presumably whoever shared the logs didn't) it'd just come across as manipulation getting the admins to do their dirty work for them afterwards. It's not really setting a good example to players to say "hey, that rival of yours or that new auth you're not sure if you can trust or not... keep the dirt on them until they're in a position of power or until after you're dead and disgruntled THEN share it and we'll do the hard work, so you don't have to! :)" without any kind of negative consequences for them not sharing the information sooner (if it's deemed that kind of info ought to be shared with the admins)
That of course is only if the information being shared isn't fresh. If the convo happened and then they reported it immediately, I suppose gold star stickers and cookies for being a good egg would be in order :) |
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Reply by: Avatar at Sep 13, '16 13:10 | |
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Curiosity being killed and this thread are two different unrelated things. This thread was posted after the 303 getting authed conversation sparked up logs about morty from earlier yesterday to surface which caused me to post this thread. The logs were about morty, and old. I did not act upon them. No one from 303 has died because of this thread. After this thread, in a separate incident, logs surfaced of Curiosity, which she was then killed for. The logs were also about admin accusations. I am replying to comments about Curiosity because someone posted them in this thread, but that does not mean this thread was about curiosity. |
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Reply by: Squishy at Sep 13, '16 13:31 | |
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Out of curiosity (no pun intended) when were these logs from? |
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Reply by: FitzChivalry at Sep 13, '16 13:37 | |
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