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The Loyal Soilder | Started by: SINGER on Apr 01, '10 15:46 |
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Intriguing. I agree whole heartedly, although, if your leader should die, i think it would be wise to find another family in the same city. That way, if and when your leader's children come back to these shores, you will be able to help them. Stands there waiting to hear some other intelligent answer. |
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Reply by: KiLlEd_SlOwLy at Apr 01, '10 18:02 | |
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Loyalty is when you do what ever you can do for your family but when your family is no more it is ok to join another aslong as your loyal |
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Reply by: Tora at Apr 01, '10 18:03 | |
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KittyKat stood listening to the man speak. The goosebumps covered her arms listening to him speak of loyalty and what it means. She stepped forward from the gathering crowd and waited for him to finish. As he began to taper off and bring his thoughts to a close. the last words hung lingering on the air. She took in a deep breath and began to speak. "Loyalty to me means so much more than just being there to the end. Fighting till your last breath. It means being loyal to all those in your family that your leader puts so much trust and faith in. Flying to a city you had no interest in being in, because you knew that one of your family needed a helping hand out of jail, or working in their businesses, cause they couldn't do it all on their own. Handing a newly inducted thug money, so that they may have a little easier time starting out. I remember the first day I stepped foot on these lands, I didn't have a clue. I was greeted and shown the way and helped into a family. Thats loyalty. When you believe so much in your family and your leader that you would bring new people into the organization with enthusiasm. I would do anything to protect my family, whether they be a Don or a Thug, for we are all just an extension f each other." KittyKat blushed slightly. SHe could feel all eyes on her. She wasn't used to being under the gaze of so many, but what she had just said she felt with every fiber of her being. She loved her family, and would even as she should ever take her last breath. She stepped back into the crowd. |
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Reply by: KittyKat at Apr 01, '10 18:13 | |
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Singer listens intently to his two agreeing family members. Then takes one more sip of his water. Thank you both for coming out here with me. Um let me go on and say I love history, for history always shines through even when we try to dim the light. Once long ago lived a man in Scotland, William Wallace was his name.Leading the Scottish rebellion he pursued and fought against the English. Now one day William Wallace Was killed. The Scottish had a choice here, Fold and give in their cards or to push forward and fight for what their leader had fought for. The Scottish Fought died and yet won their independence. Now is it still so you think, to just let go and join another family?This is not the only time this has happened this is just one of many events. Another great testament would be of Jesus The Christ. Singer sips the water once more Although his followers did not have to kill they followed him even to his death on Calvary. Because of such a strong following and belief in their leader Jesus has a church that stands today since the time of his early followers. They died yes some as martyrs others of old age but look at what they accomplished. That is loyalty. They did not join another teacher cause they were scared of death, rather they accepted it as showing the true loyalty that was in the heart of those men and women. Then after thinking of what KittyKat had just said he felt a great honor of being in the same family with her. |
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Reply by: SINGER at Apr 01, '10 18:18 | |
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Standing there staring at SINGER she ponders for a moment before she starts to speak,. "Loyalty isn't something you can boost about in the streets.. those are mere words to be honest, real loyalty is shown over time to those you are loyal too, When you join a family and you sign and agree to the rules you give your word to uphold those rules at all costs, you from then forward should be loyal to your GF your CL as well as all members of your family, if you don't follow the rules and remain loyal then your life should be taken swiftly.. no exceptions. Some will say there should be exceptions but I don't believe it to be that way, if you screw up then you know the price you have to pay and it is a pricey one, when I entered the wonderful family I am now part of I proudly signed the rules and I will uphold them reguardless of anything else, the family comes first over everything.. my bloodline has shown several times they are willing to lay down their lives for what they believe in and what their families stand for, "in this thing of ours" we have all choosen to lives a certain way, so your word is your bond, its really all we have.. money means nothing and your status and rank mean even less if you dishonor Omerta or your family. |
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Reply by: Rox at Apr 01, '10 18:29 | |
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First of all SINGER, you should either remove your chewing gum before speaking or explain to me what a "soilder" is... |
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Reply by: CrazyNine at Apr 01, '10 18:37 | |
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If you ever reach the point of becoming Godfather or Godmother, you can set aside your loyalties to your current situation. Then, and only then, should you ever break your word on being loyal to your current crew, leader, and Godfather/mother. But obviously not everyone shares my opinion. |
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Reply by: Falcon at Apr 01, '10 18:43 | |
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Falcon, forgive me for being blunt, but you made no sense. You started by saying "if you become Godfather" then talk about the loyalties to your GF and leader. |
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Reply by: CrazyNine at Apr 01, '10 18:48 | |
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Indeed, Godfather CrazyNine. I believe what Falcon meant to say was that upon reaching such a rank, current loyalties are no longer applicable. Instead such loyalties, for lack of a better term, are to the city. |
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Reply by: Robert_Guiscard at Apr 01, '10 18:54 | |
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Robert_Guiscard unscrambled my misspoken message. What I was attempting to say was, when you become a Godfather or Godmother, the loyalties you had to your previous Godfather or Godmother are severed. You maybe remain friendly with them, but now your main focus is protecting the city you've taken over. |
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Reply by: Falcon at Apr 01, '10 19:02 | |
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Godfather Crazynine spoke and everyone stood silent. Who knew a man could recieve this much respect while just speaking. A man sneazed during Crazynines speech and his bodygaurds shot the man. Impressive singer thought. Well thankyou for gracing us with your presence Godfather Its an honor. Lets dive deeper then. The cost of life is great no doubt. The cost of a city is greater. I think everyone would agree there. You say that if you took maybe a Don into your family you would treat him like a thug, well that is an interesting point. This man this don who started from humble beginnings as well lost his entire famliy to your family then comes in and asks to join you. There is no greater form of respect then that. So why treat him so harsh why not treat him as a made man? After all he has experience he would probably kill for you and die for you. Yes he didnt die for his other leader or family but he might not have been in town. So I think that might be another problem with loyalty, a Mafioso should be given a chance form the very start, Drop down his rank and let him work up for you. Singer smiles at Falcon and crazynine then continues. You lead a city. I lead not even my own life. what more loyalty does one need? |
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Reply by: SINGER at Apr 01, '10 19:21 | |
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Sabotage listens to everyone then listens to Singer response to CrazyNine's question. Singer why should CrazyNine trust another Don from another family? What has the Don done for CrazyNine? Yeah, He went to CrazyNine seeking for home since his family that once stood strong is no longer here. He acquired loyalty in his family not CrazyNine's familly. As far as CrazyNine knows he is just some random person needing help. There has been no loyalty proven at all. I don't ever recall one of my ancestors joining another family after they just been taken out. I stand by my city no matter what the situation might be. |
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Reply by: Sabotage at Apr 01, '10 19:37 | |
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Oh Sabtage i do as well so dont get me wrong. I dont feel the need to keep stating that i would die for this family. i would Die for Crazynine as I would die for you sabotage. But my question here is not that he shouldnt trust him it is more of why would you treat one as low as a thug? I can understand the point of making one prove his bones and all that good stuff but why make one who has much experience Be lowered to the standard as one just coming into the family? Singer stops and remembers something. It has become evident on his face. I do not say i would not do the same. I would for as i said i love history it always comes back. Right now as i was speaking i remembered the Romans and how they treated certain allies. They would always humble them first. And then i take a look at Machiavelli and realize that he believed that a new prince would never easily rule in a old state. That meaning only A Godfather would never have any competition with an outside Don who came to the family because of the fact that The Godfathers Family loves him more than the outside don. If this does not make since i will clarify. Singer clears his throat once more Godfather Crazynine is my friend. And God forbid him to die i will always take care of his family because he is my friend, My brother. My question only comes from understanding the mind of one who is more learned than i am. If you do not understand my dear brother, Crazynine has just proven himself a mafia Genius with his simple statements.Trust in the fact that i am not disloyal and i have nothing to prove, for those i have loyalty to prove i have showed time and time again. |
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Reply by: SINGER at Apr 01, '10 19:50 | |
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Singer, your problem comes from assuming I treat my thugs like dirt. I only give such treatment to those that have an ego bigger than their ranks "allows". |
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Reply by: CrazyNine at Apr 01, '10 20:12 | |
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Brother my issue is none. I have no problem with what you do at all. I stand behind you one hundred percent. If you do not believe me say the word and i will die for you. I seem to have misunderstood you and i apologize. Brother remember though i mean no harm and I mean no disrespect. For why would i disrespect the man who has taken me in after all? Why would i intend to hurt the man who i was so happy to fight beside in the war with cryptic? But none the less my only problem was i was trying to get my Godfathers side and in so doing i have offended thee. I am sorry. SINGER walks away quite disappointed in himself. |
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Reply by: SINGER at Apr 01, '10 20:20 | |
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Sabotage listens to Singer He's a godfather so he can pretty much treat people how he wants to treat them. We are not the people the question his actions. I don't have to much to say about this because its a bit pointless. Sabotage just shrugs and wonders off to give CrazyNine some pointers about his prowess |
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Reply by: Sabotage at Apr 01, '10 20:21 | |
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The subject of loyalty often shows its face after bloodshed, it seems. Godfather CrazyNine has already emphasised that the death of a crew leader can happen through freak accidents and whatnot - and I would agree that individual family members should all re-locate to brother or sister crews in the same city. There is no point crying with your pistol shoved down your throat. In other circumstances, such as those that involve war: I would say that if you have been trusted with the rank of Made Man; there should be no doubt in your mind that despite what may be a bleak outcome you should always do your utmost and fight 'til your last breath. Like I said, even if the odds are against you - you owe it to yourself, your leader and your city. Unfortunately, not everybody holds this view and this has become evident time after time. I am in no position to judge any city or crew leader for accepting surviving war members, that is their business. Although, what I can say wholeheartedly from my own perspective is that I would be ashamed to continue living. "It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees." |
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Reply by: sanpei at Apr 01, '10 22:59 | |
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lbeing loyal is the only way to be your loyality is to you family and to you citty and to you godmother or godfather. a blood oath.is to be hunored no matter what the cost. |
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Reply by: AlBundy at Apr 02, '10 01:47 | |
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Listening to the discussion, he gives another perspective. |
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Reply by: Tyrion at Apr 02, '10 04:05 | |
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