It's okay, no harm done.

Alessandro smiles

Just next time, please don't let your imagination lead you so far.

yeah, i try to control my imagination next time

shivanok smiles back at alessandro

Alessandro, I was just wondering what sort of action your associate would consider constructive. You know, considering that I *have* had in the recent past somebody shoot the BG of one of my then young and tender thugs.

Also, Shivanok never assured anybody would shoot anyone. He merely stated that if he shoots, he's a goner. can you really disagree with that? So I'm not sure if it was such wild imagination considering people often times in our line or work DO shoot people and many times they shoot without the authorization of their bosses.

Godfather CN, I think in this thing of ours, there's too many constructive actions that can be done, only in our point of view thou, running a prostitute, stealing from old women, shooting sleepers, and many other things that you know about even better than me.

I am sure she was never forwarding the guy to shoot at you or whomever in your family or city. And I hope as well the misunderstanding we had is solved.

Alessandro tips his hat

Have a nice day.

There was never a misunderstanding on my part. I never said anything to be false for you to think there was one.

Well Alessandro you should teach your associate to be more clear with the things she says, especially when speaking of a Godfather, but most importantly when speaking of my Godfather.  Blanket statements tend to leave people under blankets in this life we live.

As for Shivanok and you telling him not to let his imagination go so far. Maybe Theresa's imagination should have went farther and all these questions wouldn't be left in the air because of her statement.

Ow, and Alessandro, this isn't solved until Godfather Crazynine says it is. Just food for thought sir, with much respect to you, but only because you're a Made guy and you've earned it. Otherwise I would have told you exactly how I felt in a different manner!

See how I made myself clear? Teach yours the same.

Marley pulls a joint from behind his ear and lites it. Thinking to himself, "damn smart-azzes!"

Marley, I am sure my associate was very clear not mentioning anything about Godfather CN's Bodyguards being shot, she wasn't adressing a Godfather as far as it seems, she was talking to Ahmedinejad. Besides " this isn't solved until Godfather Crazynine says it is." I don't see the part Godfather CrazyNine asked you to speak on his behalf so please till then keep your words to yourself.

Godfather CrazyNine, if it wasn't a misunderstaning, I don't know what else I should call it. you gave an example to my associate's words for a BG kill, which has nothing to do with her words, or her actions.
If ever there was something stupid done by one of her ancestors, I hoope sir, we don't blame a kin for what his parents did, coz it has nothing to do with him. I think we all believe in second chances, don't you?

Well Mr. Dionisio then I shall speak on his behalf.

CN has given Theresa's bloodline many chances.  There comes a day when you just have to stop giving them out.  She can only be gracious that CN hasn't hunted down every last of her bloodline's kin.

Mr. Advantage my friend,

I am very aware of the chances her bloodline were given, but let's don't forget that her bloodline suffered the same fate and are now all buried beneath the ground.

I am also sure, there was no part of her comment adressing Ahmedin that she showed disrespect to Godfather CrazyNine or pointed to shooting any member of his family's Bodyguards.

I'm sorry can you repeat that last question? Ninth chances you said?

No, Alessandro, she didn't speak about BGs being shot, I did. As an example for HER to come out and explain her words.

I will admit that Marley took it an inch too far by understanding you were attempting to shut me up when I know you wouldn't as you know you can't, but you telling my member to simply not speak is taking it several inches too far. He addressed you respectfully, even though he misinterpreted you. And if we keep telling our members to behave themselves as they represent us in everything they do, then that is implicitly a permission to speak on my behalf at all times.

Don't worry, I'll be the first to smack them on the head if they say something I wouldn't, like I just did here admitting he misinterpreted your words.

And I'm not sure why you feel the need to call this anything other than a conversation. Your associate said something, and I wondered what she meant or what actions fall under her mentioned "constructive" ones.

Well then with how aware you are you shall see that I did not comment her statement, just you telling a member of the Godfather's family to keep his mouth shut and questioning the Godfather's reaction.

First of all, I didn't ask Marley to shut up, I asked to keep it to himself, keep speaking on GF CrazyNine's behalf to himself, since the godfather was already talking on his own behalf.

Second of all, I would love if you pointed me to the point where I questioned the Godfather's reaction.

And in answer to the late question you asked Godfather CrazyNine, "No" my associate didn't mean shooting BGs as a constructive action.

Advantage, it pains me to have to disagree with one of my own, specially when you have the noble intentions of fighting a good fight in my name.

I did give her bloodline many chances but that was a long time ago. Well, actually it wasn't so long ago but it was so many *generations* ago that it feels like a lot of time has passed.

We have heard of many bloodlines that have recently turned the tides and made history by finally proving to the world that they are capable of adapting to our ways of working. I have no idea which will be the blessed generation that will be able to break the genetic curse of hating me so I will always wait until the first stone is cast from the other side before taking action.

Alessandro, can you briefly illustrate the difference between asking somebody to "keep something to himself" and asking him to shut up? Like I already said, I allow people to speak on my behalf and I come to disagree with them if they say something I wouldn't have.

Couple things here...

First of all, you guys know that one must be an Earner to shoot at a bodyguard, right? Right. Good, now we can move on from there.

Secondly, all this talk about bloodline hunting is very dangerous. Nothing will get you put in a pine box faster than suspected bloodline hunting. It's not good for business, and the entirety of Cosa Nostra has risen up against those who have done it in the past.

If you sir, want me to explain the difference, I'd do that but first I'd like to point out that I had no idea you let people speak on your behalf in your presence and then disagreeing them if you wouldn't have said what they said.

The difference is clear, I asked to keep talking in your behalf to himself, but he can talk on his own behalf as much as he likes. but telling someone to shut up means they can't talk neither on their behalf or anyone's else.

FlyingPig, you honor us with your presence.

I guess it has to do more with who is in power and the reasons for the bloodline hunting. I remember the late ThomasRourke issuing some bloodline hunts back in his day and many people even agreed with those reasons.

And yes, I do know one must be an earner to shoot a BG, which doesn't take away from probably harboring the idea from an earlier stage. After all, I have met several people that came to this world with the intention of assassinating a Don or a Godfather from the tender rank of Thug.

I hope you are not really worried about bloodline hunting in this case in particular as I was the one referenced in that sentence and I already told Advantage he was taking it too far. I highly doubt bloodline hunting will be mentioned again in this thread.

Unless it is to analyze its previous utterance, of course.

Alessandro, even though the difference was clear from the beginning, you did tell my member to refrain from speaking to you at all, which is what I was disagreeing with.

Mystery chuckles and puts in his two cents into the conversation.

"Really? Bloodline hunting? Even the thought of it makes my blood churn. There is no reason EVER to bloodline hunt, as each new kin that gets inducted into this thing of ours is their own person."

Mystery flicks his cigarette into the gutter and continues.

"As far as the difference between telling someone to shut up and POLITELY asking them to keep something to themselves? Well... It doens't exactly take a genius to figure that one out. The former is a bit more rude, in my opinion. I really don't think it was a stab at anyone, truly. As it's been stated, clearly CrazyNine is out here speaking on his own behalf, there's not really any reason to add any more confusion"

Mystery smiles as he looks back to a statement by CrazyNine.

"I have no idea which will be the blessed generation that will be able to break the genetic curse of hating me so I will always wait until the first stone is cast from the other side before taking action."

"Why do you feel like they should make the first move? There's this thing called compromise, look it up. It's not really a secret that you have a problem with my bloodline, nor is it a secret that you've got a problem with Theresa's, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to hate both of us because of our ancestors mistakes. If I had never revealed who my ancestors were, I am positive that you and I could get along quite well."

We all know that Thomas Rourke was a madman. You are right, it does have to do with who is in power. Strong leaders in the past have done things that were destructive of Cosa Nostra, and surely it will happen again. The reason I warn of it is so that the rising mobster of today might heed the warning before he has an opportunity abuse his power in the future.

My concerns stretch farther than just bloodline hunting, but rather to the entire obsession with ancestor lineage. It is something that should never arise when evaluating the worth of an individual.