So you want to better this world, yet you execute unaffiliated nobodies whilst they sleep? Wise guys who have no affiliation, no allegiance and no knowledge of the happenings, yet you want people to believe that you're not tyrants?

You think that slaughtering the kin of those who pledged momentary allegiance to those who helped gift you your position is an acceptable way to show the population that you mean to rule by anything other than an iron fist?

You may say you're awaiting death, but today's attack from the plutocratic elite shows nothing more than an exalted power struggle; a removal of anyone you deem a potential threat, regardless of their knowledge of the intricacies or inner workings of the disdainful regime you hope to eradicate?

At what point do you become those you hoped to eviscerate? Because I think we're past that point now. The slaughtering of innocents proves you have become the face of the enemy you hoped to so disdainfully remove.

Congratulations; you have become what you strived to rid our world of, despite your vain appeal to the contrary.

So despite having been active today neither ChristianGato nor RobOakheart feel the need to address this issue? You both feel it's acceptable to slaughter innocents - people who had found safety less than 48 hours prior?

You feel happy with massacring everything that moves, despite not being made? What happened to your speeches about wanting to be different; wanting to further peoples' experience? Was that just rhetoric and favourable sound bites? Do you not even have the decency to come out and defend your lies?

Come on fellas, you were big boys yesterday when you went on your jaunty wee killing spree, hows about some answers now?

Hello Lmao,

I will address that what happened. Last night I communicated to the leaders of our country that our reasoning would be made public, but I told that it shouldn't be expected within hours. For those who are eager to learn our side of the story, I can understand they rather have it sooner than later. However I have had other things to attend too.

The people who died deserve a clear explanation as well, and not just a hasty one that would probably do more harm than good.

Enjoy your day and I guess we'll meet when we start debating that what happened.
 

So, give you more time to concoct a satisfactory reason for slaughtering innocents whilst they sleep? Gotcha. I look forward to hearing how those wise guys were such a threat to you.

I quote your own pen - verbatim, RobOakheart when I say:

"Therefor we hope to instil an attitude focused on living instead of one focused on not dying."

Were you focusing on the inactive Wise Guys' longevity when you took a scorched earth policy yesterday? Who cares though, as long as your family got to hone their gun skills, right?

Lmao, I think we both know, as does everyone in the country, that you are setting ridiculous expectations to people who are busy enough in this life, never mind any other. You also already have your mind made up as to how you feel about the events of last night, so regardless of what reasoning or announcement is made, it is clear that it will be met with disdain from yourself. 

I'm fairly certain you know how conflict unfolds in this life, doing what is necessary, not just seen as 'right'.

Why should we cater to your expectations when this is about our business, not yours. You're lucky Don Oakheart has even come out here to address your demands. In your eyes, no amount of time can be allocated to concoct a reasoning good enough to satisfy your understanding of the war, so why should we care. 

Or even better, why should you care.

ChristianGato - you two are the ones who put yourselves on a pedestle and claimed to be so different from your predecessors. Nobody suggested you two change the way things operate, all I'm doing is highlighting hypocrisy when I see it so blatantly as it was yesterday.

You started this regime... oh, no - my apologies, you two don't like that term, do you? It creates an air of oppression you're not comfortable with, right? Well, regardless, you started your regime by saying how you wanted to nurture and encourage, not dominate and control. Good job on that. Those wise guys you decided to first wave were a very real threat to the way you wanted to run your business. Congratulations on eliminating the danger from our streets. I bet everyone will feel considerably safer now you have removed the danger. Good job.

 slaughtering innocents 

This is a term that makes me laugh who is innocent?

I doubt anyone who leads our type of lifestyle can lay claim to that tag. 

You know fine well what was intended with the term, Kurgan. Lets not be pedantic or argue semantics. If, however, you genuinely need assistance, I shall elaborate on who I mean when I say innocent. I mean anyone not made. An associate; someone who is yet to make their bones and lies sleeping in their bed - someone not named on a crews visible roster. Sure, they're affiliated with a crime family, but they're not an official member. Basically the same people that most leaders spare when a leader is felled.

I agree with Kurgan. A civilian is by definition innocent, after that we all decide to do crimes and then no one is innocent.

People die, that is the nature of this thing we do. Once you realize and accept this fact Lmao the sting of death will no longer bother you so much. Have some patience and hold yourself with dignity while you await the announcement you are seeking.

You used the term innocents nobody is innocent as you put it even the low gangsters,goombas,earners or wise guys. How many wise guys are sitting at that rank hiding a cannon?

How many associates are the blood lines of hitters? Able to pro and keep wars going? Nobody is innocent.

What do you want, a leadership which is void of corruption or mistakes? You want a perfect Utopian crime syndicate that has no controversial elements whatsoever or makes no effort to introduce change or inspire?

Frankly, that sounds boring. If we ever find ourselves in those circumstances, where everyone is happy and there is nothing to bitch, whine and complain about, I'm afraid it will close the curtains on our business.

Grow a spine, accept what is done. We should not have to give counseling as to why each and every target was taken, offer reassuring pats on the back that everything is going to be OK and hand out candies.  This is the fucking mob, it is filled with mobsters of multiple, almost unique, intentions and approaches. 

Yes we are trying to be different, but if everything went to plan it would again, be boring. 

Now if we're quite finished, maybe wait to see what is said before throwing about accusations. 

No, Gato, I simply expect you to be a man of your word. You came out spouting about your intentions for a more utopian lifestyle... how you intended to be different and not rule with the iron fist you found so distasteful, yet here we are not even a month later and you've organised the removal of no less than 2 families and the wise guys located therein, whilst they slept. Again - good job on that.

Otiag, death doesnt phase me. I have no regrets. What does irritate me is the baseless rhetoric spewed. Intentions are all good and well, but when you fail to follow through on your aspirations, dont you agree that those claims should be questioned? Or is that something else that should be discouraged - open and honest debate? Because I seem to remember that being one of the selling points of this regime.

Our current leaders announced a favor system of control over this game. A Don was removed who I can only presume was in favor at the time of his removal. As such those responsible for his removal, where then removed. As per their own words and announcement. Now sit down please good sir and await for their announcement. You can question it at that point in time if you still have questions. Well written dialogue takes time, they are not random spewed posts.

I understand the removal of the upper structure. What I disagree with is the execution of people who joined merely hours earlier. First waving wise guys who had no knowledge of any attack, whilst they slept, what good does that do? Boom was removed for ruthlessly protecting his position. The current regime cited this as the main reason for his removal, then go on to do precisely the same thing and I'm expected to sit here and say nothing, despite the promises of debates being encouraged? Even going so far as to be called "spineless" when I have said nothing as disrespectful to deserve such a response... does this seem like the future we were promised, or does it seem like another power hungry regime criticising the debate they promised to nurture?

If you truly understand the nature of this game, you will understand that even new recruits into a family that is doomed to die can server a purpose for that family. They can be wackers, pro'ers etc drawing out the war. There has never been a war in the history of this thing we do that did not have casualties caught up in it that need not have died. My own father is a perfect example of this fact. I am not asking you to not debate or question or leaders, I am asking you to have some patience and wait for their explanation instead of jumping the gun and put words in their mouths and actions in their hands that they themselves did not commit or say. Patience is a virtue my dear friend, I am sure all will be explained in due time.

I do enjoy a nice hug, I'm not afraid to admit.

Hugs Bayley

Whilst I appreciate what youre saying and where you're coming from Otiag, I strongly disagree that first waving Wise Guys who are new to a family is the bright future we were guaranteed. Indeed, nor is the flagrant disrespect shown by a man who should be above throwing around petty insults. I came out here to voice that opinion and I intend to reinforce and defend that belief. You cant say they didnt encourage, or at least allow wise guys to be primary targets, because the obituaries are filled with the evidence of it. Thats what has stuck in my throat - not death itself.