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| Explanation | Started by: -AphoticProphet- on Dec 20, '07 07:48 |
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Now that things are a settled a bit, I think the world needs a reason behind the Events that had occurred. I had received Warnings that Tyler and his Family were going to be eliminated for his actions, after attempting to warn Mr. Tyler, I was pushed away. I felt the Family was in Jeopardy so I took matters into my own hands with permission from other's and decided that in Interest to the family I cared for, instead of them being shot to weaken Mr. Tyler I would just kill him myself. Mr. Tyler had a track record of putting the Family at risk. For instance, Disrespecting Funerals then telling his family to "Piss on the Funeral" as well. He asked for Support but when you help he shut you out, making it impossible to communicate. There is more, but I do not feel airing out his dirty laundry would help anything. He has passed and that is where is stands. I am not a violent person, I did what was coming, but in a less destructive way. Those who are falling due to being unsponsored, my sincere apologies. Mr. Tyler made it clear he cared about himself only, he was a good man, just not cut out to provide protection for a Family. Mr. Tyler, you put all your trust in me for that I'm sorry to have failed you, but in my eyes, it was you who failed us. You are a great individual, but a not so great leader. No I did not do this because I wanted my own Family, I could have cared less. Now that I'm in this position I will do my best to make LA strong once again. Thank you for your time. Regards, A.P. Note: The issue with my home city being Las Vegas is being corrected, I will be in LA |
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Elaina stands and listens to the man who killed one of her best friends in the world and who up until now, she considered a friend You were okayed to do this by others? Why is there nothing in the streets then? And, if he was such a bad leader, why do I see so many of his crew joining someone else? Also, as far as airing his dirty laundry goes or pissing on graves, I'd say you have done a remarkable job of just that in this speech. No matter what spin you put on it, you still are a HSL/part time RH who betrayed his CL and killed him - now that is dirty laundry. And, no I don't speak for Moretay or his family, I speak entirely on my own and if I suffer consequences for it, then I do. But if this world accepts you as anything other then a rogue CL, I couldn't begin to name the number of issues from fidelity to respect that would go against to most people. |
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| Reply by: ElainaDeLuca at Dec 20, '07 08:08 | |
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| It's obvious this act was approved by others, or do you think other leaders would allow the guy to live if this had been a rogue move? | |
| Reply by: Luki at Dec 20, '07 08:10 | |
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For starters, Elaina, he is speaking in the streets, not a funeral. Also, dirty laundry refers to family business, not public actions which are mostly obvious. I understand you are grieving from the loss of a friend, but try to think about what you are saying before speaking, and the context in which it applies. Just because you like someone as a person does not make all their poor qualities acceptable. This is certainly a unique situation, I'll say that much. I think your actions actually saved some lives. There will be those who will die unsponsored, but not as many as would have died if an entire family's hitsquad attacked them at once. You are right in saying that Tyler was most likely doomed. When I witnessed his conduct in certain funerals, I was shocked. That kind of behavior is unheard of from a CL, and is an immediate death sentence for anyone else. He may have been a good man, but perhaps he needed to work under another leader for awhile longer, learning certain standards of leadership, before heading off on his own. I don't know much about the man, but I'm guessing that his ancestors were never in a position of power before. It isn't uncommon for the first leader in a lineage to make such mistakes. The next time around goes much better. Rest in peace, Tyler and the Juggernaut casualties. |
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| Reply by: KevinTheCat at Dec 20, '07 08:15 | |
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Look here Elaina, Everyone knew about the funeral event, that's not airing dirty Laundry. You have a problem because your auth chances went out the window I'm sorry about that. It wasn't a dirty move. He was a Boss he had his chance to take me out and missed, We fought I won. No big deal. As far as the Auth thread? You'll see it soon enough. |
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| Reply by: -AphoticProphet- at Dec 20, '07 08:16 | |
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| If there is not auth or even reply in the streets by any of them Luki, that tells me they are waiting until all are on to decide what is going to happen. I cannot imagine a CL approving an auth in such a situation as it would basically being saying to every RH or HSL out there - go ahead, kill your leader, we'll let you live. Kind of a dangerous situation for them. | |
| Reply by: ElainaDeLuca at Dec 20, '07 08:17 | |
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| I never had any auth chance AP as auth would have had to come from my leader and it hasn't. | |
| Reply by: ElainaDeLuca at Dec 20, '07 08:18 | |
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While I cannot say that I approve of this vigilante justice, I can only admit that you saw something wrong and took it upon yourself to do what you thought right, which is a trait to both me praised and approached with trepidation. You've already spoken to me about your situation in my city of Vegas, which I hope will be fixed by the higher beings swiftly, and as far as the current situation goes I cannot speak for anyone but myself in assuming that nothing is in stone until the leaders have a proper sit down and sort this out between us. The explanation is appreciated though, as it puts a lot of confusion aside. |
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| Reply by: Alfieri at Dec 20, '07 08:19 | |
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| Elaina you cant imagine a CL approving an auth on a guy who disrespected someone's funeral? Because that's pretty much what we are talking about and it aint that far fetched. Of course the question is still up in the air until the powers that be decide to speak to us, but personally I'd be willing to give A.P. the benefit of the doubt. Lets face facts, rogues have come and gone but I've never seen one come onto the streets saying who they are going to kill....then tell people it was personal so his family shouldn't worry....then return for a third time with a further bit of information explaining his actions so there is no confusion and further lives are lost. | |
| Reply by: Canton at Dec 20, '07 08:40 | |
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I cannot under any circumstances see how this is ok! Who would auth such a risky CL. Ok he said he was doing what he thought was right. Saving lives. What stops him from getting a crew of 50 and a thug insulting him and him then taking it upon himself to "save" his crew by warring with that of the thug? This auth would be asking for a major war in the near future. |
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| Reply by: Michael-Mandryk at Dec 20, '07 08:46 | |
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Seriously AP your not explaining anything here, your just saying what everyone else knew. I don't see what right YOU had to take this mans life, i could understand any other current leader who has the right to auth one of their family members in LA, after taking out Tyler, doing so. I agree with some of what your saying, Tyler was stepping on thin lines but i don't think you couldn't care less about you having your own crew. If you don't care less, step down join another leader and let the other acting godfathers choose someone to take the place of Tyler. What your saying about Tyler is true, he was a good man and therefore he didn't deserve to be killed the way you think he should have, thats why i think you will never be accepted by any other families even though you may be led to believe you already are. |
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| Reply by: BanditKeith at Dec 20, '07 09:12 | |
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| Calm down there a little Michael, I don't think killing off a thug quite constitutes a war. Speaking of which, I am a tad confused as to how you think this little turn of events could possibly lead to its own war in the near future...am I missing something here? | |
| Reply by: Canton at Dec 20, '07 09:12 | |
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| in my own Opinion i think AphoticPhrophet should be hailed as a hero he saw somthing that was wrong and risked his life to save others. Well thats my Opinion it may be stupid or not the Majorities way of thinking but its mine | |
| Reply by: Frank-Vitorro at Dec 20, '07 09:25 | |
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No Frank, this had nothing to do with saving others! Stlyo looks down and chuckles at the thought of AP doing something for the benifit of others |
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| Reply by: Stylo` at Dec 20, '07 09:34 | |
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I appreciate the explanation and it does clean up things nicely. You told the world why you killed him and they're valid points. Me as a Family Head might not have done things the same way as you, as I believe certain words can have more effect then bullets flying everywhere, but each to thier own. However, one thing gravely worries me... "No I did not do this because I wanted my own Family, I could have cared less." And here you are with a family. Do your family members need to worry about this statement? Are you going to be a part time leader? Alas I am not having a go at you Prophet, quite the opposite actually. Would just like you to clarify what you meant by that. |
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| Reply by: Gaara at Dec 20, '07 09:40 | |
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Question time, good idead Gaara! I have a question yoo/ AP you made the following statement "As for now I have permission to run my Family where Tyler left off.' Question: Permission from who? |
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| Reply by: Joe_Dalton at Dec 20, '07 09:50 | |
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| Oh and on another note, why do you care about Tyler's crew? If you didn't see him as a fit crewleader then how comes you care about the family that he built for himself, obviously it aint a great family if he is such an unfit leader. | |
| Reply by: BanditKeith at Dec 20, '07 10:41 | |
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| This could lead to war because AP has already shown he takes things upon himself. Why wouldnt he do the same thing when situated at the head of a large family? | |
| Reply by: Michael-Mandryk at Dec 20, '07 10:47 | |
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Well I would hope he would take things upon himself as head of a family, afterall, family which institutes democracy in its ranks amounts to nothing. So the guy see's a problem, thinks of a way to solve the problem, goes to the right people to make sure this would be an okay thing to do, given the goahead, achieves his goal and then takes the time to explain it to people, when, in reality, he could easily have just sat back and waited for the auth'd speech to arrive on the streets whenever the bosses wake up. And you think this is justification for war? Maybe you should look into trying the decaf once in a while |
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| Reply by: Canton at Dec 20, '07 10:57 | |
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Not true Bandit. A bunch of people working togethor can still be a great family even if their leader made poor choices. Im not saying Tyler was a good or bad leader. Im saying that if one of his members has a problem then he/she takes it to their CL. If that doesnt work then they take it to another CL and get them to speak to them about it. You do not decide to just blow a whole in your leader's face. And then, after doing this, expect that YOU should be allowed to live! After going rogue and taking a legitimat crew down then expecting auth yourself??? Are you insane?! And the fact is, in doing this, half of Tyler's crew is going to be killed. The people that this was supposed to be aimed at protecting! Even if you have space in your new HQ and all the leaders say no shooting at ex-Durden members. People will still do it. If you have that little respect for your own leader, your fellow crew and for the traditions that we keep in the mafia then why should you be granted auth? Ide also like to some up. You take down your leader. Half of your family is, or will be, destroyed. You are granted auth. I doubt you have even 20 of your former crew alive with you. This is why I find it very VERY hard to beleive that you did this for the sake of your family. They dont mean a thing to you as you have shown! So have your little fun shooting people but please dont come to these streets and preach about your good intentions becuase it is so sickeningly clear that this is just a way to be authed quiker |
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| Reply by: Stylo` at Dec 20, '07 10:58 | |
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