Still confused on who he was talking to...

That's not what I'm disputing yes he was part of New York and yes he was a legitimate target you said "The killings were carefully targeted assassinations - the victims were either directly involved in the murdering of DT personnel or a significant part of the NY murder machine." that is bullshit on both accounts he wasn't part of attacking DT and he damn sure wasn't part of our "murder machine". I just love how people like you always do this whenever someones on top act like they're reinventing the wheel and no one ever killed before, grow the fuck up that's how this world always has been and always will so lower you're sodium intake and stop being crying "they killed people they're so mean". 

I think we should all evaluate the other reasons to be disappointed in this reign.

Lack of growth (two cities left empty for quite some time).

Lack of real leadership. We have those that have constantly ship jumped to save themselves in leadership spots. How in the world can they expect loyalty from people when they dont have it in themselves?

Lack of any goal for the community. Other than the leaders get richer for no apparent purpose.

Let's bitch about those rather than the death count. I mean there are always reasons to be disappointed, lose the motivation and just stop caring altogether.

Stop being a schmuck Cletus. You're the worst kind of prick around here. You cowered under the fringes of the Disorder regime, hiding and tossing Niflheim salad to save yourself from their culls. Not voicing any opinions publicly until someone else had done your dirty work and removed your overlord... and now you've become a weak imposter of the most vile man to walk these streets, desperate to find someone to worship you as much as you worshipped that cowardly asshole.

Nobody respects you, and everyone can see what you're doing because your tongue is still that far up Disorders ass that you can't conjure a single unique, cogent thought that doesn't have that inimitable Disorder shit stink about it.

I hid under the Disorder regime? Do your fucking homework before you talk shit you idiot Disorder was planning on removing New York fool I was indifferent to him just as most are indifferent to me you fool. I guess only weak minded fools like yourself use a platform like this to be "worshiped", but why should I be surprised when you're just some faceless cuck who is still salty their mother or father was killed at some point? Just like any other regime the only people bitching are the ones at the bottom who can't let go of the deaths of their family members instead of moving on and trying to better their bloodline and being naive in thinking "Oh my god this is the first regime to kill people for reasons we don't agree with". 

So let me get this straight, we have a Thug, another Thug and then a Gangster trying to talk shit to a Godfather Chairman? Three individuals who if they put their guns together MIGHT just be able to hit one of Tylers brat pack?

If you stopped using your energy to try and talk smack, you might find that you too can accomplish something in this life. Instead, you wanna point to others and try to pass the blame instead of getting off your worthless asses and doing something productive.

Go find yourselves a home and put in some effort. Standing here and talking shit just makes you look even more worthless than your already preceived view by those around you.

To build, it takes a group, not one. Family, Community, Respect, go learn these fucking values.

I have to correct you, I didn't talk shit to Cleatus. He said to quit bitching about people being killed. So I pointed out observations on which the conversation could take a turn into other avenues.

I just point out what I see. I have not been rude to anyone.

Danny was standing in a dark corner, admiring how adorable it was that young thugs and gangsters were calling out the Godfather-Chairman, being as salty as the Black Sea about their parents' deaths, although I assure you Vaseline was used in abundance if anything inappropriate did happen, which Danny didn't think had. Then he heard a descendant of a former initiate of his family join the fray. Deciding he would no longer remain silent, he kicked a milk crate over and stepped atop of it, fixing his suit jacket in place before he began to speak. 

First things first, anyone have a friar? I brought some potatoes, there's enough salt here that we could make fries for days! Might as well make some money off of it, since according to at least one whining gangster, us leaders just want to get richer for no apparent purpose. 

Danny glanced around to see if anyone pulled out a friar, then decided he may as well continue speaking while he waited.

Speaking of, that's as good a place as any to begin. So shall we?

Lack of growth (two cities left empty for quite some time).

I do suppose that depends on your definition of "quite some time", however, I would like to point out that an empty city doesn't quite mean that there is no growth. We could point to the lack of rebuilding as one way that growth has been ongoing. We could put to the copious amounts of empty space in families, to the sponsors patrolling our borders. Safe to say, growth is abundant. Streets are alive. Businesses are alive. New families are springing up. The ability to move up, to lead, is there more now than perhaps at most points in the past. Of course, I understand it's hard for a gangster that refuses to join any family due to the copious amounts of salt flowing through her veins to understand this point. My sincere apologies.

Lack of real leadership. We have those that have constantly ship jumped to save themselves in leadership spots. How in the world can they expect loyalty from people when they dont have it in themselves?

I have not been rude to anyone.

I mean, I can't make this shit up people. Does anything really need to be said here? Claiming that leaders are nothing but constant ship jumpers is quite rude, not to mention disrespectful. Not to mention, the fact that it simply isn't true. Do your research hun. Speak smarter, don't just spew things out of your mouth to try to stir the pot, and start shit. I know I'm wasting my breath, but alas. 

As it pertains to expecting loyalty, who are you to say that leaders don't respect themselves? I view myself as my own God! I fucking love myself.

Danny pulls a small vanity mirror out of his pocket and admires his reflection before grinning and returning it to his pocket.

I respect myself. Quite a bit. I'm pretty sure that's a part of having what it takes to be a leader. You have to respect yourself, be loyal to yourself. You have to have a bit of dog in you. A bit of wolfish behavior. It's totally understandable if you don't have it, not everyone does. And those that don't, I suppose it's hard for them to understand.

Lack of any goal for the community. Other than the leaders get richer for no apparent purpose.

Ah. Back to this. I really appreciate how you apparently have grand insight into the goings on of the community, how you know everything planned, everything thought of, everything in action. Oh wait, you don't. Sorry! I almost sounded like you for a moment! I may be alone in this, though I doubt it, but I believe the goal is rebuilding from the disaster that was the Disorder regime? Am I wrong? And I believe in that regard we are doing quite well. Do your homework before making false accusations. 

Danny took a long breath and fixed his tie, he was afraid it may have moved some while he was speaking, and being as vain as he was, he couldn't have a hair out of place, let alone his tie!

The Disorder regime is dead. Let it go. @CleetusKasady has done a great job with the opportunity that has been granted to him. As have HotIce and Sineya. All leaders are playing a part. Everyone is contributing. We are healthier than we have been in a while. How about we stop whining and being salty for a little bit and open our eyes. People die. Shit happens. You know what you sign up for when you join, whether it be as an associate, an initiate, or even a Member. 

Danny steps down and bows back to his dark corner.

Melis rolled her eyes at Danny. The first real rudeness stemming from her very being as she regarded him levelly.

I am not who you want to try to pick bones with Danny. I am more than aware of how self centered you are. How much you lack the ability to respect your members and how far your lies stretch. 

Believe me when I say you don't want to put your leadership and lack of values into the spotlight.

Listening about Cletus she shrugged. The person he was really addressing was certainly not her.

Last food for thought, it takes a community to work together to actually build something. Not to hide in dark corners.

TTD steps forth from dark corner where he was standing next to Danny

I am not who you want to try to pick bones with Danny. I am more than aware of how self centered you are. How much you lack the ability to respect your members and how far your lies stretch. 

As the Right Hand Man To Danny i feel it is my spot to squash any ill gotten rumors about Danny not respecting his members and "stretching lies". it appears the one with a bone to pick is indeed you Melis- 

Believe me when I say you don't want to put your leadership and lack of values into the spotlight.

the spot light eh? could a lowly gangster rambling in the streets really judge anyone on heir spotlight? as for lack of values i think it is best said that the ones with the highest lack of values VERY often find themselves visiting the mortician due to their own accord. As per leadership, can one who has never been a leader question someone elses leadership?

 Last food for thought, it takes a community to work together to actually build something. Not to hide in dark corners.

so if it indeed takes a community to work together why is the majority of the community in favor of the current regime with CletusKasady? seems that this community you speak of outweighs the thoughts of yourself here Melis- 

TTD lights a stogie

Arsene stood listening to the discussion between Danny and Melis- before wondering how many generations of Melis-'s bloodline that violin had been passed down to. It was certainly looking a little worse for wear. He chuckled to himself before going back to listening to what folk had to say.  

Alzir, have you ever had a Monks' fries? They're the best!

"If you stopped using your energy to try and talk smack, you might find that you too can accomplish something in this life. Instead, you wanna point to others and try to pass the blame instead of getting off your worthless asses and doing something productive."

This sort of attitude is a fucking disease. Remember the crowds of people huddling under Disorder spewing this shit out left right and center? And lets all remember how that regime ended.

"So let me get this straight, we have a Thug, another Thug and then a Gangster trying to talk shit to a Godfather Chairman?"

This comment is worthless as well. It's genuinely sad to see it still being said time and time again. Replace any use of Cletus' name with Disorders and it'll be a genuine throwback.

"Go find yourselves a home and put in some effort. Standing here and talking shit just makes you look even more worthless than your already preceived view by those around you."

Be original. Break the cycle, for the good of everyone around you.

PS. Riding Cletus' cock doesn't make him respect you. Just saying.

mickey I'm sure somewhere someone has mentioned to you that openly disrespecting a current Godfather is never a good idea, if they haven't let me be the first.

Disrespecting a godfather is never a good idea!

now that we have that out of the way

it is always people who lack power who complain about people who have power

they never agree that's how things should be done but no matter how we look at things if what they are doing isn't working then the role they have will be short lived, HOWEVER if what they are doing is working then the role they have will not be short lived.

there is an old addage someone imparted on me once:

Don't fear change, be the change!

If you value the life of you, your children, their children and so on then you shouldn't disrespect the Godfather.

Also, don't mistake my speech for condoning insulting anyone. I'd rather a debate, but at least the insults have the slightest amount more originality than the ones jumping at the chance to lick Cletus' boot.

I'd "be the change" as you put it, if my "war chest" weren't depleted. I'm just here to talk.