Mickey, so lets debate.

Do you think that Thugs and Gangsters coming out to the streets to insult a Godfather Chairman should be tolerated?

You also seem to be confused on multiple other factors. If you are referring to me when you say people licking Cletus' boot, you are sorely mistaken. I recognise the position he holds and I respect the rank, same as I would if it were Sineya or HotIce.

People have been complaining for the longest time about the world being in this state or that state and yet what have they done to fix it or help its growth? Go rogue and kill people?

If you wanna be the change, then do it.

Do you think that Thugs and Gangsters coming out to the streets to insult a Godfather Chairman should be tolerated?

I explicitly said I didn't condone it, and that it would lead to the death of you and your kin's kin's kin.

 You also seem to be confused on multiple other factors. If you are referring to me when you say people licking Cletus' boot, you are sorely mistaken.

Am I? To me it looks a helluva lot like brown nosing, but to each their own I suppose.

 I recognise the position he holds and I respect the rank, same as I would if it were Sineya or HotIce.

Respect the position all you want, but remember that you're just a +1 in the eyes of New York when all is said and done.

People have been complaining for the longest time about the world being in this state or that state and yet what have they done to fix it or help its growth? Go rogue and kill people?

 Yes. They have. Geordie had a rather large Godfather toll on his belt if I'm not mistaken. Another bit I may be mistaken about is that last part. Are you looking down on rogues now? If they cannot change the state of things with words, and get publicly shamed for rogueing then what other option is there?

If you wanna be the change, then do it.

Mr. Cassidy has "depleted my war chest." Though to be fair it was not entirely on him. A certain rogue also did some damage. 

Am I? To me it looks a helluva lot like brown nosing, but to each their own I suppose.

Again, this is down to your confusion and your confusion only.

I have nothing further to add to this 'debate' as I can see you have no interest in talking and clearly carry old battle scars for your ancestors still.

As I said, to each their own.

I have nothing further to add to this 'debate' as I can see you have no interest in talking

You didn't add anything to this debate, full stop. Aside from denying the boot licking of course. You repeated points already covered and spewed the same old shit. 

i understand where your coming from stating the "boot licking" but we must also understand not all of it is indeed boot licking, its easy to get the kissarsery confused with true respect and or loyalty however to lump it all in as boot licking seems to degrade what some people actually offer the community as a whole

 however to lump it all in as boot licking seems to degrade what some people actually offer the community as a whole

I'll concede that. I didn't intent to insult the action of boot-licking, or genuine respect, whichever it may be. I more had issue with what he chose to say. Those same old tired points.

"Disorder can do what he wants, you're a thug, he's a Godfather, gg"

"Cletus can do what he wants, you're a thug, he's a Godfather, gg"

Wowee. You got me.

id tend to agree that to dismiss someones point of view based on rank is often a go to strategy to dismiss someone entirely and if we dismiss everyone of a lower rank we are simple dismissing around half of this community we hold dear. when it comes down to it everyone can do what they want however not everyone doing what they want has to be liked by everyone else. anyone who knows me knows i have a history with cletuskasady so im sure this stance i have is a big surprise to some however to watch a leader emerge one after the other on here it is simple to see that nothing is ever permanent. everyone prepares to wake up dead so to speak, its what we do with our time here that counts, and to IMO waste it in these streets belittling someone is not what myself would consider condusive to this community

I agree with the what you're saying. Every time a regime is set in place it's the same type of players who are runnin' shit. Doesn't matter who has beef with who, everyone runs shit the same. Some are worse than others, true, but every regime I've experienced is not fun if you're an outsider.

I didn't fit with Disorder's people so I got killed for building. I don't fit with Cletus' people so I'll be killed for something else or other. It's the game. We all live with it. The men who make it to the top specialize in demoralizing the enemy, which is a legit tactic. To them it's to protect their crews and city. To an outsider looking in it sounds fucked up.

That's because it is. 

Bloodlining is the underlying issue with regimes. Any mistake or outspoken word is remembered. Any shot your grandfather takes you'll pay for. It's a shitty thing the majority of us are guilty of. I, myself, am included.

I'm here waiting for the regime to fall so I can fuck shit up. Those days of freedom are killer.

not everyone will fit into the "regime" friendzone which is what keeps this community active, if everyone fit in itd be all rainbows and shit

i have seen multiple bloodlines targeted time and time again, im sure some people are bloodlined just because they were bloodlined before and they cant remember why HAHA

this whole community is outsiders and insiders but what must be done is that both "siders" have to come to a mutual understanding within their own group (i am not advocating anything here btw) but what has previously worked before with ancestors upon ancestors is a united front

what we happen to be seeing here is a lack of united front from the outsiders which is why we m ore often than not see the degradation of the insiders

"i have seen multiple bloodlines targeted time and time again, im sure some people are bloodlined just because they were bloodlined before and they cant remember why HAHA"

Lol, true. As unfortunate as it is.

 "this whole community is outsiders and insiders but what must be done is that both "siders" have to come to a mutual understanding within their own group"

I do very much agree that communication is a huge part of a solution to aide the rift between the regime friends and the outsiders. One cannot know everyone, and I understand that. A simple second solution is for the people in charge, and the people opposing to just not be arseholes. 

Seriously, we don't need to bloodline, intimidate and drive people from the game to find enjoyment in it. Communicate and help people who aren't your friends have a chance to become a leader. 

ive never always been open to "letting people in" however there is certain people that can actually bury the past with their ancestors and move on into a progressiv future, the hinderance for this community is the people that hold grudges throughout their ancestry

Fucking A. People need to let that shit go so we can all move on.

yes there is multiple times where one who does not disclose any ancestors has been killed for not being truthful, even those who make up ancestry get killed (although thats a valid reason) there was a time certain people requested fully mapped out family trees to even join a city

to hide onesself is never fun however there is always a level of trust that one can attempt to obtain via viable means of dishing out info, you very quickly learn who will and will not "rat"

Hiding your identity is never fun. It makes getting out of bed to do the simplest crimes a challenge. For me, at least. I strongly dislike hiding.