Actually, Ancalagon is correct. Family does deal with its own - a very large portion of the time. I can stand by this from the fact that I've been a righthand man since I've been on these shores. To then disregard his (correct) assertion and then calling him a liar after the fact - well, hell. You said it yourself - express your opinions and keep it moving.

Oscar, that is a great idea. Im glad to see that somebody is willing to make a change, unlike how others believe that no change can be made.
Reply by: Zeus_Andolini at Oct 12, '10 23:09

Do you honestly feel your little spur of the moment speech is going to change minds? No. Do you think it will get people talking? Yes. However you're going about everything at this moment in time completely wrong. First, you call Ancalagon a liar when I would take his word over yours any day of the week. Second, YOU assume that we are not willing to make a change, but you obviously didn't see where multiple people have discussed earlier today how to prevent them instead of whine and moan about it.

Feeling the rage tingle up his spin McDermott signals to his bodyguards.

Maybe YOU need to think before you speak and not assume that people are saying no change can be made instead they simply step back and look at everything in perspective. This, being the second time you've successfully convinced me you don't have a clue of the matters you speak of. Especially considering you assume this can change over night and you don't even know why recent mafiosi have rogued.

Pointing towards a local coffee shop McDermott steps aside.

Feel free to hang out there, you may learn a thing or two.

And understand that people can have an opposing opinion and still deserve respect, no matter what rank.

I have no problem with people opposing their opinions, I just dont care to hear nonsense that has nothing to do with the given topic/discussion.

Nonsense? He was replying to someone whose suggestion you thought was a "great idea". Is that nonsense as well, by proxy?

And understand that people can have an opposing opinion and still deserve respect, no matter what rank.

I have no problem with people opposing their opinions, I just dont care to hear all other nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic/discussion. Lets just stay on the given topic.

it strikes me that there is a major flaw in this whole discussion. yes, you can say "if the CL doesn't trust the mobster they shouldn't be made" but how many times has someone with an exemplary record, who has acted and been perfectly trustworthy in every way been the one to go. versus a made who has been promo'd on earnings/posts/threads?

what is the percentage. i'd bet that its better then 50%

I mentioned my bloodline because it is long enough to have the collective knowledge of two Godfathers, numerous hands, and a few stragglers who went down different roads then some. Not to mention that those previously mentioned people also interacted in some way with some of the leading mobsters of their time. I usually don't boast but I need to make the point now.

So, by bringing those experiences to the table, does it not enrich the conversation? Does my "nonsense" not hold merit when it is applied to a theoretical debate? I may be harsher then necessary but it's often a favorite tactic of mine to engage a person, so take care.

I'm a goomba by choice. I've been on these streets longer then you, if you just look at the archives that town hall keeps.

MrDermott, the main reason why I brought this to the streets is because this issue has effected so many mobsters and leaders.

Personally, I use to be friends with three rogues that I didnt even know were rogues until they were caught. Is that secret, and what im basically trying to bring into effection is, if we dont form a plan to end it then we will fall and we have no purpose. Thats my last remarks on this subject.

May I ask how disrespecting people is going to help the situation?

McDermott looks around with a perplexed look on his face.

Last remarks? You began this conversation. The only reason you got met with such brash words is because your perceived attitude on the subject. I understand discussing it, but there is no sense in discussing something if you're not providing any alternative idea to prevent such actions from happening.

Straightening his tie McDermott clears his throat.

Rogues will always be here, no matter what anyone does. Do I support them? Fuck no. Will I kill them if I see them? Fuck yes. However I won't be bothered with hearing such slander saying people don't want to do anything to change it. There's only so much we can do and that's why I call them "preventive measures". To help prevent them from happening. However there will always be someone to get through said cracks and when they do they'll be met with many, many guns from the eight cities.

Trying to bring into effection?

To admit to the fact that you've already been associated with two rogues pretty much proves the dubiousness of the entire argument - If you play your cards correctly, you can't really know for sure whether or not someone will rogue. The fact is, we're more secure now than ever before - on average, a rogue will get no more than two shots in before getting killed.


It's more a matter of addressing why they're flying off of the handle in the first place - if they're bitter about the current powers that be, or bitter they were killed in a war.. They'll have to eventually get over it, and realize that they would probably do the same thing in the other person's shoes if they had to.

If I have offended any of you, I apologize. I did get a bit out of hand and a bit irritated due to the simple fact that everyday when I visit the streets, theres always an issue involving rogues. Who knows if it will or when will it end? Guess we will just have to wait and see. But I encourage us all to come up with ideas to help prevent and decrease the activity of rogues taking action within this thing of ours.

Goodnite mobsters, and I hope you understand.

After listening to everybodies views, SammyGarcini takes a long drag on his cigar, exhaling the smoke before he begins to speak

"I'm sorry, but everyday you hear of something to do with a rogue? I'm going to have to disagree with that. I myself wouldn't be able to put a date on the last time we had a rogue, as I honestly don't remember the last time it happened. I am sure somebody here remembers the last time one sprouted it, and maybe they can confirm what I have said.

"As Syriana said, we are now more secure than we have ever been, rogues are rare, although they are still showing up from time to time, they are taken care of swiftly.

"The last rogue I can remember, who actually amounted to something, was Jonnie_Reese (OOC: Not the most recent Reese, the first one, although it was the same person, most recent Jonnie_Reese was NOT rogue) He managed to bring down an entire society and all of it's family heads.

"As it turned out, it was needed and Reese was given his time and he continued on as a family head. Anyway, I can't help but completely discount your argument, as there aren't enough rogues for us to be worried about, and the ones that do appear, don't do enough damage anyway."

But I encourage us all to come up with ideas to help prevent and decrease the activity of rogues taking action within this thing of ours.

I reckon this comment struck me the funniest considerin' this is yer conversation and you ain't offered up a plum one idea on how to solve the problem of them rogues, other'n CLs should use discretion as to who they give that thare button to, which is somethin' ye wouldn't know nothin' about. I reckon if you have some ideas we'd all have a notion to hear 'em, on account of this bein' a debate you started and whatnot. At least that ol' boy Gideon offered up some suggestions and whatnot in his speech about blessin's. Even if not everyone agreed, at least there was some suggestions thare. That's a debate. At least I reckon it is.

SlingBlade your contribution to this conversation wreaks of shit stirring thus far. Whats needed to be said has been said to him, no need to jump on the band wagon to see if you draw blood is required.

I should probably clearify this, SB you've done nothing but tear people down since the day you've gotten on these shores, and yesterday you made fun of two people from outside your crew. you directed homosexual inuendo's towards one of my good friends and then you went out of your way to troll two of of my stories. Then after learning of my suspicions that i raised to people in a position of far greater power than you'll ever be, you deemed it fit to air dirty laundry in the streets. Stop embarassing your crew and shut up untill you have something positive or constructive to add. I also wont stand for thingly veiled death threats from you either. Thats not how we do things in this thing of ours.

Its not always as simple as a quick action, time and planning goes into any good decision in this thing of ours.

Well Oscar I think you better watch how grouchy you get with my associate. This could turn into a real problem with me and you and I don't like problems. I tend to solve them very quickly.  If you got a problem with SlingBlade you come to "ME"!! He works for "ME"!! Not some low life walking around digging in trashcans for food.  Your dipping is so amatuer and unappealing you just look plan stupid.

On another note, this Oscar reaks of falsehood. The other Oscar had much more intelligent insults and engaging bad mouthing. Yours is quite mediocore.

Throw $5 dollars at Oscar so he can buy himself a fresh meal from the cafe'

SlingBLade is little more than a troll. He's Your associate and maybe you can rangle him in, before he mouths off to someone who gets you both in trouble.