And now for the third speech from Estebano, inspired by the thoughtful musings of his ancestor. 

Hello, people.  Today’s talk is, again, about something inconsequential.  The ideas put forward will be abstract and the potential for praxis distinctly limited. 

 I’d like to talk to you about dialect and patois.  Now, most of us here are of Italian extraction – but some of us appear to talk in a pseudo Jamaican patois which sounds almost futuristic.  I don’t want to sound like an outdated historian a bit out of his depth, but these ‘gangsta’ types are irksome and irritating.  I think most of us would agree.  So what should be done about it?

 Well, as always, I think it’s about altering the culture of this thing.  Starting from the top, there should be a decided effort to prevent, stop and reverse the indulgence of this patois which has taken hold in some small sections of our community.  I would like to appeal directly to the great and good in this thing, across the 8 cities, to donate to a charitable fund.  The sole aim of this fund is to initiate educational programmes to help those who use this patois stop using it.

 The discussion points for this topic are;

 Who should be the CEO of the Charitable fund?

 What should the Charitable fund be called?

I'll kick if off.

I think that the CEO should be someone well known and respected - someone who is often in the Streets and who is well known as a verbose and robust debator.  Someone who has had leadership and wartime experience; in short, someone who can win the respect of the patois speakers.

The organisation could be called Keep Utilising Known Linguistic Information Negating Slang Keeping Idiom?  K.U.K.L.I.N.S.K.I?

Who could be CEO....

I would like to hope that no-one, or at least very few people, even bother to entertain this topic of discussion that you have begun.

After starting off with 2 semi-decent topics you have again fell into the trap of trying to show the world how much you love yourself. Tiresome, boring and quite frankly laughable. I can only imagine you found some humour in the above, where I did not.

However, on a more serious note, while we are on the subject.. I would like to say that I actually respect and encourage all those that walk our streets and talk with a fork tongue. Variety is the spice of life and all that. Sure, many of us are of Italian backrounds, but not all of us. We are from all walks of life, we have all found our way to this thing of ours, and we are all welcome to speak how we please. Those with the dedication to show off their own way of speaking should be applauded, not ridiculed.

Like you, GF Worley, I am of an "Italian backround".  However, the point I was making, semi-seriously, is that gangsta speak (of some futuristic type, say 2011) has no place here, in these 8 cities.  However, if someone had a very genuine, 1930s Harlem affectation, then I'd applaud them again and again.  For example, if Iceberg Slim popped by, he'd be more than welcome.  If some fellow calling himself Jaz_Z did, then he should be shunned.

And just so you know, GF, this is not a self-appreciation society, this is me being true to my word and making the Streets more interesting.  As promised.

Thanks for your time.

I can't help but notice the use of three K's in your chosen name that you bring back and back and back to the streets.

Now you are wanting the world to shun black speech, what next I wonder.....

El_Nino, that is mischevious and inaccurate.  My name is of Polish descent - but I am a member of Italian organisations.

And I have a problem with contemporaneous patoit - as is obvious.  Also, Nino if you look above you will see that I celebrate Harlem and its residents (from the 30s).

So you are of Polish descent, with an Italian background, with a name which is quite spanish sounding.


Interesting.

The self appreciation dig was purely aimed at your joke title for the joke group (I can only imagine it was a joke...)

I understand your view in that regard, however, just because someone goes by a name that you feel is more suited to a futuristic era, doesn't mean that makes it so. It is plausible that such names have been around for many many years and simply never been made famous. Why someone in my own family has a name I found rather odd indeed, but it turns out to be a name passed on by his family (I of course refer to Sam Golf Bag Hunt, aptly named after his father Sam Hunt Aka Golf Bag who worked under the infamous Al Capone).

You see, a name in itself does not mean a thing. A persons actions are much more important than the name behind them, the words they speak are also much more important than how they speak them. Again, I do understand your point, but I feel we are being a little too pedantic at times with our complaints when a persons name becomes the subject of discussion in our world.

As always, I encourage any attempt to brighten up these streets, which at least you are doing, even if it results in someone like myself disagreeing with the topic itself, at least you've caused me to stop knocking over Post Office's for a few minutes to come out here and disagree with you.

Most of us would like to be seen as gentlemen.  Elegance in speech is the key to this.  Therefore, on the Streets, it is wise to conduct yourself with the upmost dignity.  Now, most people do - but those that don't should be chastised.  Or should they?

And GF Worley - I applaud a man of your rank coming onto the Streets.  Hopefully your members will follow suit.

Too be honest Blooooooddddddddddd

I have no wish to be seen as a gentleman unless I need to be seen as one to take advantage of someone, but then that would probably make me more of a cad as opposed to a gentleman.

I personally like people to be themselves on the streets, if they are from Harlem, Italy, Spain, Poland, even Florida I don't care as long as they are themselves.

The heritage of this thing of ours is from the Old Country, english isn't the first language of Italy hence I would expect alot of mistakes from these people because it is a second language.

Estebano, I would invite you to embrace different cultures and try your hand on getting down wid da kidz because if you plan on advancing far in our world adapting to your surroundings is all about it.

If you insist on speaking the Queens English where ever you go you will stick out like a sore thumb and become a marked target.

El_Nino nods his head towards Nelson

da wheels on ma motor ain't lookin bling babeh now sort da shit out before I bust a cap in ya azz.

With that El_Nino wanders away to catch the late train back to Chicago

WhereAmI happnes to be walking when he hears the conversation,

In this line of work, speech is a tool. A tool's worth is purely based upon its use, and saying you support a group after saying you despise the way they speak and act is contradictory; and could be taken as offensive. After what you said in 'The"Auth a Mong"' Speech, you should be aware that someone higher up might become offended by your street presence. Insults are best left for the coffee shops behind closed doors, not carelessly left in the streets; At least if you plan on living very long.

WhereAmI - what did I say that was insulting, to anyone worthwhile, in the Auth A Mong speech?

The fact you just said to anyone worth while in 'The "Auth A Mong"' Speech says it all.

This is a direct quote from that speech

"I have had some training in forensic psychology and have analysed this speech and have drawn some conclusions.  A person uttering these words would have all of the following characteristics;

• An interest in roller-skating, seemingly unaware of how unmasculine this pastime is.
• Unnatural sexual interest in animals (possibly working with animals to gain access).
• Over usage of slang terminology.
• Fascination with violence.
• Frequent wearer of ‘fashionwear’ more suited to those who indulge in track sports."

This is not only recklessly attacking someone's blood line, but it shows just how immature and ridiculously hateful you really are. Whatever he did to you (Which I'm sure was pretty much nothing), let it go. I, I've ACTUALLY read up on some psychology way back in the day, would say that YOU have some serious issues that need to be looked at.

I would like to start with admition of guilt, see I am one of those who find that, as you call it, semi futuristic speech pattern ” irksome and irritating” although from different reason.  English being my second language I find overuse of slang and sentence composition from those speeches confusing. I do understand them but with some extra effort, not too big but just enough to cause mild annoyance.

That being said I think trying to change it, by force or otherwise, would be one of worst decisions made in a while for more then one reason. First there is no reasonable way to impose your decision on other people, threat of punishment by execution would be only way and not the one I find reasonable. To whack some hard working member of the family just because of his dialect? Not exactly example we want to set for those who are fresh from the boat. Second, that would just open can of worms, there is no way it would stop on just semi futuristic speech and who knows what will be next. Pirate speech? These little speeches you make? Third, that politics would just seal silence that, for bigger part, already rule streets. In the end why should some newcomer try to bring new blood on the streets when he will be ridiculed or face pressure to change his behavior although he’s doing nothing wrong.

As for the fact that way they speak is a bit improbable for era in which we live, for my part I can easily overlook it. Bottom line is as long they respect the laws of the street they can speak any way they like as far as I’m concerned. Who knows maybe somewhere down the line they will return life to the streets.

Thank you for your time.

WhereAmI

The author of that speech is long dead.  So who "high up" would/could be offended?  And, also, what is offensive about what I have written?  I heard through the grapevine that the author of that speech annoyed quite a few people with his words.

Also, what is more or less offensive?  The terminology employed by the wretched original author or the language of chastisement?

The offspring of the original author and I have a good relationship, as it happens.  We were talking today.

It isn't rollerskating I should say, it's inline skating.  Apparantly there is a difference.  Inline skating is as masculine as boxing, whilst rollskating is a bit girly.  Or so I heard.

Well, considering the fact that you've been harassing that bloodline over and over again, pardon me for continuing to doubt you're on good terms with that bloodline, And forgive me for believing you're throwing insults like that around is most likely because of your hatred of that bloodline. But then again you've proven to me you've changed a lot;, you've stopped bragging about your past, you've stopped insulting that bloodline when unprovoked, you've stopped insulting others you don't know for voicing their opinion, you've stopped contradicting yourself in your speeches, you've stopped assuming you're smarter than everyone else and you havent shot at anyone's BG, yet.

WhereAmI

I hope you're not implying that NY are harbouring a potential rogue?

Anyway, your points.  I don't throw insults around, I analyse and offer opinion.  Those with low self esteem will assume that they are being insulted because they feel constantly insulted.  That's of no concern to me.  At all.

Now, you have repeatedly said that I am arrogant.  I don't see this, myself.  What I am is confident in myself and my words.  And my intelligence, my level of articulation, ability, presentation and style.  My networks, contacts, aptitude and skills.  My looks, occupation and life in general.  Yes, I am confident, but I am not arrogant.  There is a different.  I will explain it to you further, some other time, if you like?

I be reppin dis hustle cuz gettin dem kids an edjewkaytion, ya hurd BA-BY! I cripped threw and even smashd on a homie or two. homie be trippin cuz they say you frontin on me foo. Ba-BY! ya know I don play dat. look hur. Dat thing of R's be like a pizza. you's gotsta get mo den one toppen, ya hurd BA-BY!

Don be trippin cuz a hustla be hustlin BA-BY!

~DoughBoy in da house reppin da big apple

Estebano, I'm not implying that you are going to rogue, I'm stating that after The Plumbers I believe its easily within reason for one to assume you may rogue. Godfather -Premier and Stallion have admirably decided to give you another shot for the sake of showing they can forgive the bloodlines that have constantly messed up epically and plagued our streets. Don't take this chance they've given you lightly. Confidence comes from others reckognizing your skills, arrogance is telling other people about your skills and thinking more of yourself than you really are. At no point in time has anyone argueing with you spoken about their talents. Arrogance leads one to do foolish things; likely thinly veil bloodline bashing and then speak about how terrible one of that persons qualities you speak of often is unacceptable in this speech. I also remember you twisting my words and the words of others in a previous speech, something I take high offense to. As someone has stated in the past, you are clearly trying to goad me into doing something stupid, and I really don't like that. I'm kindly asking you to please learn to accept others for who they are, something I'm trying (yet obviously failing at times) to do for you, and leave the thinly veiled insults out of it.

Jimmy puts his cigar out on the pavement, rubbing it slowly into the hard cement as he stands back up, cracking his neck and putting his sunglasses on. It was a bright and hot day today, Jimmy had just walked a few blocks on his way to the local casino when he heard what sounded like a hip hop concert going on, you could see some low rank mobsters all dancing around yelling, making a scene and creating some heat.. Jimmy shook his head and continued to walk

Personally I think we have a few things in this world we can control, our image and our standards being one of them. I have never been one to like when kids are named silly names or run the streets talking in a gibberish tone that undermines the organized and educated crime aspect of our very powerful and very strong mafia world we reside in. Its a fine line...just as recruitment and other questions that live on that same line but as a leader I believe it starts with us. I am not perfect, its a business and we have mistakes but one thing that has been happened before and will happen again: Denied entrance into our organized crime family based on the kids name or his behavior.. all of our associates represent us, our business and our ethics and although people have a freedom of speech and the choice to be named a variety of ways or talk how they want.. we also have the power to make the decision.

We have the power not house them, teach them and if needed put em in a box where the dead have no image or talk and at the end of the day I think that's a good system. I don't think any Charitable fund can do that sir, or at least without creating some big problems.