Sinfest had been listening to the speech and the replies after said speech and is amazed at all the hostilities in this thread alone. He takes time to think about what to say then speaks

"I may come from a family who were law abbiding citizens (meanins noob here) but telling people how they can and can not speak is the worst idea ever. Its one step below rasism if you ask me. They cant help how they talk. While I may not always understand what they are trying to say, who am I to try and tell them to not talk anymore. I feel you should really revaluate before making such hateful statements

((Ok so who cares if they talk like that if it really bothers you you dont have to read what they wrote. I applaud that they are trying to play a character when more than half the messages I recieve are not role play nor is half of the stuff I read here in the streets. You thug talkers keep it up! This is a role playing game last time I heard and good job on playing your role))

WhereAmI

The problem is this.  You feel a certain way and claim it's because of me.  You say you get angry and annoyed - it's not my problem that you can't control yourself properly.  You have alluded several times to "doing something stupid".  That's the difference between you and me; I don't have these fears.  I'm in control and I'm fully aware of myself and my surroundings.  Intellect, guile and charisma are attributes that I possess in abundance.  A short fuse, frustration and a long memory are what you have.

I'm quite happy.

I'd advise you not to engage in this conversation any further - you don't come out of it looking good.  

You have been Insulting the LHM of the Underboss of DT, over and over again. If I actually did have a short fuse, I would have been begging my GodMother or CL to talk to Stallion about the way you've been conducting yourself in the streets. I do have a long memory because I recognize patterns. I would welcome the offspring of RoryRourke because he hasn't shown a pattern of attacking anyone but you, and those are all counter-attacks. Most people actually find me to be... kind, goofy, hard working, and hard to piss off. Finally, you do give me lots of frustration and annoyance, like a mosquito bite. I'm not under orders to not reply, but it has been suggested by someone probably wiser than I (not you) that I end our conversation, so I will.

Hubris is a funny thing. It was the downfall of some of the greatest men in the history of mankind, and they were leaders of Empires, Financial Sectors and Social Industries. Can't wait to see how it tells your story *COUGH*... again.

I think you miss one key attribute your blood line has always possessed Estebano and that is Delusional.

I would also advise you to consider far more carefully the words you chose. Whilst you think of yourself as something of a dapper english chap with your use of english. You also weave a web of closed statements that lock you into a path for which if things ever do go bad potential ways to find a way out will all be closed.

"What I am is confident in myself and my words. And my intelligence, my level of articulation, ability, presentation and style. My networks, contacts, aptitude and skills. My looks, occupation and life in general."

 "I'm in control and I'm fully aware of myself and my surroundings. Intellect, guile and charisma are attributes that I possess in abundance."

etc

Just a friendly advise... If you could at least stop claiming everywhere and all the time that you have all the qualities on Earth (thus justifying everything you ever did ? Even though last time I spoke to you, after one hour of discussion and speeches like that all the way, we did somehow reach the agreement that you did mistakes ?), it would shorten your speeches (thus leaving place for "real" arguments) and perhaps make them a bit more comfortable to read. That said, have a nice day.

Joe - I don't think we've met...?

Joe - I don't think we've met...?

Nino, perish the thought. 

It's obvious to anyone reading that, in fact, I am a humble and gracious man, committed to a renewal of all that is good in the world.  To my few detractors, I say only this.

WhereAmI - you appear to have a childish impulse to have the last word.  It is, whilst endearing, sometimes difficult to conduct a reasoned discussion with an entity like you - as there is no final conclusion.  I will say this, however; I work for LoveGun and I am loyal to NY.  And this is sincere advice; you never look good when you take me on.  Therefore, to stop yourself looking bad, try and tangle with someone your own intellectual equal.  Possibly RoryRourke's offspring.  You two seems close.  And by the way; I don't bloodline hunt.  I rarely shoot my gun, truth be told...

Joe - I take it all back.  My grandad knew your father.  And in fact they had an exchange, detailed here;

http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/170590

Thanks for reminding me.

That's funny, now that YOU mention it,

http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/175771

Are you just claiming to be Kuklinski, or is this a second account? Would you care to explain, which one of you is the real Kuklinski? Both, perhaps? I remember Patrick_Kuklinski taking claim to the Kuklinski namesake. There must be a reasonable explanation as to how this isnt a dupe attempt by claiming to be someone you're not or having two accounts, please elaborate the details to the public on this embarrassing little situation.

WhereAmI,

Again you make an absolute fool out of yourself (OOC - this is the Streets).

But I'll indulge you.  Kuklinski is a family name; that is, the Kuklinski's are a blood family (as opposed to, say, a crime family).  Therefore it is possible, in fact probable, that members of the same blood family.  Patrick is a relative of mine, but a distinct entity.

It is sad that you have accussed NY of harbouring not only a potential rogue, but also (OOC) a dupe.

My friend, I would strongly urge you to retract your cretinous statement and apologise to those you have insulted.

For those who don't wish to be affected by OOC-itis, I would urge you to look away now.  The following is a frenzied, incoherant rant, directed at me via a telegram that I just received;

To: Estebano
From: WhereAmI
Sent: Aug 31, '11 12:30
Subject:

lol, ok cowherd, keep using multiple accounts. We all know its cuz you don't have the balls or the smarts to actually be a CL again. Im pretty sure you have a third account too, but don't worry, we have a short list of names for that one to get payback for my BG. I have one question...

Why do you resort to terrorist actions in a video game, rofl. It's so pathetic that you hide your identity and pop up to attack anyone who speaks against you in the streets with dupe accounts. I just won't buy any more BGs for a while so your pussy ass has to actually shoot me.

Estebano, I think you'll find that no-one here finds the qualities in you that you claim to have, at least if they did then you'd think they'd back you up on your claims. Granted your vocabulary is more extensive than some that walk these streets, it certainly gives the impression you may be at least slightly intelligent.

WhereAmI has questioned many things, however none of the things he has mentioned is in any way a remark against New York, and everyone knows that. Detroit shares a good relationship with New York, like she does with all our fine cities. Your thinly veiled attempts to make out as though this man is questioning authority in New York is pathetic, surely you have a better argument to his comments than trying to deflect the basis of the question itself? Surely also someone with the qualities you mention would be able to actually hold a discussion without making mention of old bloodlines that you dislike, if you indeed have no further ill will toward them?

Regardless, this all smacks of petty squabbling and this is not what we wish to see on our streets, as this debate has no merit, no point and no perceivable end, I shant comment further on it.

Feel free to contact me in a more private manner if you wish to discuss further.

Godmother Worley,

I respectfully disagree.  It is your man, in Detroit, who not only mentioned old bloodlines but who questioned the very authenticity of bloodlines.  Very serious charges to be levelled against anyone in this thing.  The accuser is a man of rank, therefore his accusations are even more serious.  He also accused me of having the potential to rogue and then there is the badly worded communiqué in which he appears to accuse me of attacking him and promising reprisal attacks. 

These are not petty points and this is not petty point scoring.  And if you’ll excuse me, I feel confident in saying that that is not how many would view it.  Forget my bloodline and instead look at the offensive words uttered.  Or let me put it another way.  Someone from, say, SL accused someone in your family, your city, of being a rogue, a dupe and of attacking you.  And they then promise retaliation.  What would you have to say about it?

 It’s an honest question and I feel it’s important that an answer is given here, on these Streets, so people are aware of it.

 And please, Godmother, be assured of my continuing respect and admiration for your position and city.

"He also accused me of having the potential to rogue"

For the sake of those reading and not keeping up with Estebanos impressive ability to twist words; The first mention of any potential rogue came from him I believe;

"WhereAmI

I hope you're not implying that NY are harbouring a potential rogue?"

So, you posed a question regarding an implication from WhereAmI in regard to a comment that at no point mentioned going rogue.. An unfounded twist from yourself, nothing i'm concerned with.

Onto your next comment shall we. "questioned the very authenticity of bloodlines. Very serious charges to be levelled against anyone in this thing" - Firstly, did you think saying it was a very serious charge made it so? Its not. The comment was directed at you surrounding the fact that not only have you claimed to be the next of kin of Kuklinski, so has another that currently uses that bloodlines surname. I'm certain that if it was indeed the case that you had some sort of split personality affliction that caused you to walk the streets with two personalities then the Gods would quickly notice that, they are after all ever watching for such things. - So while you feel his claim that you were not of the line you say you are, or that there is some confusion surrounding your claims of bloodline, it was you can see purely to clarify the matter. Which I see you have since done by alluding to the fact that the other Kuklinski is indeed a distint relative of your own.

So, hardly a major drama to be linked to someone your related to, don't you agree? Alas, you do enjoy trying to over dramatise things so we'll move on from that.

So, onto your last comment: "badly worded communiqué in which he appears to accuse me of attacking him and promising reprisal attacks."

I trust you are referring to the following comment - "Im pretty sure you have a third account too, but don't worry, we have a short list of names for that one to get payback for my BG"

This comment clearly alludes to the fact that WhereAmI believes that you suffer an even greater affliction than he first believed and you have 3 personas in this world. Again, I would find that as unlikely as I did the earlier suggestion, however, again you display a smashing ability to twist comments.. He did not at any time suggest he would attack you, the comment was simply that there is a known short list of names responsible for those that attacked him earlier today and that the person responsible would suffer for their attack. The fact you perseved this to be aimed at you alludes back to the comment where WhereAmI believed you to be responsible for the attack. So again, I see no issue with his comment in that regard, I fully agree that I would expect if we find the person responsible they will have a price to pay, that price will be agreed between the person they work for and myself.

Now, as I said, I'm finished with discussing this in the open air with you, there is still very little point to it. Have a nice day.

WhereAmI has accused me of;

Having the potential to shoot at people's BGs (ie, to rogue)

Of having multiple personalities, against the wishes of the Gods

Resporting to "terrorist  tactics" (going rogue)

And he has said that I (or my 'personalities') are on a list of persons who are to be targeted.

Good work.

You can't challenge what I have said.  It would be better for the accusations to be withdrawn, no?

WhereAmI has accused me of;

Having the potential to shoot at people's BGs (ie, to rogue)

Of having multiple personalities, against the wishes of the Gods

Resporting to "terrorist  tactics" (going rogue)

And he has said that I (or my 'personalities') are on a list of persons who are to be targeted.

Good work.

You can't challenge what I have said.  It would be better for the accusations to be withdrawn, no?

Estebano, I'm certain that your detractors significantly outweigh any fans that you may have, especially as I'm yet to find any of the latter.

Becoming continually embroiled in this petty back and forth wins you no supporters and anyone with any understanding of how things work around here can easily see through your attempts to invent hostilities between Detroit and New York that frankly don't exist.

You seem to have a passion, which is good and I applaud that. The Streets need people who are prepared to come out and speak, which so few bother to actually do anymore. The problem with your contribution is that it appears to be purely motivated by your desire to amuse yourself, leading to quibbling over pointless and irrelevant bullshit. This isn't big or clever, it is just annoying.

In our line of work all publicity is not good publicity. Courting attention purely for the sake of it is not the way to go and is far more likely to leave you looking like the village idiot than the messiah the streets have been waiting for. I'm not sure why you think honing a reputation as annoyance is the way to succeed, but I can assure you that it isn't.

I'm sure your bosses in New York, along with the rest of us, would be much happier if you marshaled your efforts into something productive, rather than arguing over minutiae at every turn.

~C~

Chuckle,

I write and I speak on the Streets.  Debate flows.

I don't wish to see any hostility.  Fact.

Estebano

You have taken things to a new low by repeating a private message in the streets, the very essence of these is that they are private.

Sigh

I guess the other points you have just recently raised are most likely with regards to the blood line you come from, the history of the bloodline and the fact others too have claimed to be of the same line.

One of the issues of bloodlines is proving you have changed until such time as people accept that you have changed forever will you be tarred by the brush of your ancestors.

Finally, you claim to want to avoid hostility, you aren't doing a very good job to date so it might be time to sit back and think about what you wish to say. Speak it in front of friends that you know to see their opinion if after asking 3 people 2 find it offensive it is fair to say that you are going to upset two thirds of the mafiosa out there.

Now there is a possibility that you don't give a shit who you upset or offend, however few have ever been able to get away with that and those that did seeked significant back up from high powers before doing son.