Slab, dressed in a white lab-coat and clutching a clipboard, approaches the small crowd. He sees them gathered around an interesting sight. A bitter, crazy-eyed mobster - shirt and tie in disarray - can been seen shouting wildly, spittle flying from his gaping mouth

"It's true. Chicago have spent many weeks looking into the recent revelations. It was something we were hoping to keep a secret, at least for now. But it appears that the choice has been taken from us. It is with some sadness I have to confirm that, after a considerable investment of time and money, science has confirmed that EveValon does indeed possess a vagina. What it's purpose here is, and whether or not it is a peaceful entity has yet to be confirmed. I assure you that when we have further news on this subject. You, the fair people, will be told. Until that time it is suggested that you stay indoors, away from windows and keep a large supply of assorted chocolates or cuddly toys. These are the things which should help you placate the beast, should it find a way into your home. Good luck, people. Stay safe."

Scrawling a quick note on his clipboard, and nodding sagely to himself, Slab totters off into the distance.

A sad day indeed for the city of Detroit to be wiped out, I'm sure the council did not come to this decision lightly, but the action was with the utmost ferocity.

May god rest their souls

yeahhhhhh You're probably right, women probably can't use skill or intelligence to accomplish anything.  Fact is I have to "sex up" Jesse three times a week to avoid a bullet.  I mean, I am fairly sure that Jesse felt that this needed to happen before he was even in contact with Lotta, but, eh what do I know, I own a vagina.

 

I watch it each week.  It's really quite a show

There are a couple of points the grieving family members of the slain seem to be missing in this conversation. One is that there is a difference between a guy airing out some grievances against another city by creating a topic of discussion (though I wouldn't necessarily agree with the tone) and trashing a leader's announcement for no reason.

Another is that JesseJames gave the explanation of the Godfather Council. These were not his reasons alone. Who's to say that Detroit's open disrespect even weighed heavily into his personal decision to agree to the take down? I'm sure that weighed much more heavily on Philadelphia's willingness to agree than Chicago's though I suspect Godfather James saw it as sign of Godmother Worley's unwillingness to control her people and, along with the cover up of bodyguard shooters, it really gave Gadfather James no choice other than to act.

It's hard to believe that people are actually standing here nitpicking or actually trying to say this attack was unjustified. We barely got into this discussion and ShooterMcGavin jumped in making dumb threats of shooting bodyguards and agents of anyone who spoke ill of Detroit. This was the attitude that was allowed to foster itself in Detroit. This is why Detroit is dead this morning.

It took less than a dozen responses for one of the idiots that Detroit protected to come out and prove that the Godfather Council was correct in their decision.

<blockquote>It's hard to believe that people are actually standing here nitpicking or actually trying to say this attack was unjustified.</blockquote>

Is it? I think it's perfectly acceptable, needed even, for people to be critical of the rationale behind decisions that led to the elimination of entire an city.

I haven't seen much criticism of the rationale. It's been much more baseless whining from sons of the dead which is known to happen after a war. Again, it's hard to criticize the rationale when in the first dozen speakers a son of one of the Detroit dead comes out and displays the exact behavior that was behind the rationale there by proving the rationale spot on.

I'm not sure how the comments of one indivudual is justification for murdering 80 or so other people, but that's just me.

id like to see the other members of the godfather council chime in on why they approved thiis messure. do i think they will. not likey but one can hope. what might happen one of their lap dogs will run out and attempt to justify their cities actions in this recent event.

One person. I think a total of four people have 'whined'. Yet you tar the former members of Detroit with that brush. I just don't get why everyone is going on like Detroit was one massive hole of whining people. It wasn't. It was a place full of people who had an opinion, an idea or a reason and wanted to share it. In the end it proved their downfall. Speaking their mind has killed nigh on 90 people. If that is the way the world is going then so be it. But I'd urge anyone to not allow that to stop them being honest and open.

For what it's worth I'd say the speech by JaxTeller is the one that should be addressed by anyone who was involved. For the simple fact if the points there raised are wrong then it is easily disproved. But if they are right then...

I'm not bitter, whining or angry. I just accept Detroit got done by the whole world. No single city did this but all of them. When you face odds like that then you will never win. The reasons are neither here nor there. But what has been said afterwards in regards to the current state of the world is.

I hope you weren't lumping SamH in as "whining" for pointing out hypocrisy in a city listing a reason for war when they were one of the firsts to do it. So if the people from Detroit created a speech and just verbally fucked Philly in there for no reason at all it would be completely acceptable? That's fucking PATHETIC.

I see the same bullshit over and over, "he created a speech" that's ten times fucking worse. How hard is that to see? He created something that had the sole purpose of trashing a fucking city and it's leadership and there was not an ounce of discipline levied for the action. Chicago has the fucking nerve to list it as a reason for war though? Get....fucked.

Even if it wasn't Chicagos reason for war, you gotta know better than to list it when you allow it and promote it.

Idiots? Nice to see you keeping to that low Chicago standard of behavior in the streets. It would have been more acceptable if you created a speech though, that's just "fact". (I honestly cant get over how stupid that is)

Come correct or move the fuck along.

Clarity raised her eyebrow at the crazy man before her. Looking side to side she continued to look at him a bit confused.

"Glad to see you're keeping that high angry mad man standard of behavior in the streets after a war. Keep it up and people may actually believe you!"

Clarity smiled and then wondered off to check on her horses.

New York 100% backed this move against Detroit. It was a hard thing to do for I like many others held Alabama in high regard. It was unfortunate that certain members thought more about themselves than their overall well being of Detroit and Alabama. It became apparent to us in the Godfather council that Alabama would defend her members completely despite with what they did. Jesse mentions two distinctive occasions where the behavior from Detroit was unacceptable but they were not the only ones. Had it just been me worried about Detroit then nothing would have been done but when I had my own people coming up to me and asking why this was being allowed then it became obvious something had to be done. I had approached Jesse with the intention of discussing the topic of Detroit and how it should be handled. It was then I found out that not only Jesse but all the other cities felt the same way I did and were in the process of doing something about it.

I am sure many ex-detroit sons and daughters are angry with this as has already been shown but this wasn't one man dragging everyone along to satisfy his bloodlust. This was a group effort. If only few people go against you then they obviously have issues with you and you are not necessarily doing something wrong. If everyone goes against you, then you obviously fucked up.

People may actually believe me? If you don't believe me you're a fool since I brought up the actual speech in which I was referring to. I didn't have any reason until the war because this hypocrisy didn't exist until it, good try though.

Even if it wasn't Chicagos reason for war, you gotta know better than to list it when you allow it and promote it.

Why wouldn't it be listed? Are Philadelphia's reasons for agreeing to the war any less valid than Chicago's? Or St. Louis'? Or New Orleans? No they are not. So when Godfather James comes out to give an explanation as to why the take down happened, why should he excluded it?

I'm sure after the comments that Mr. Fats made that Philadelphia would have been more willing to agree to a war with Chicago. If it had been permitted to continue from Chicago members they would probably still be more willing to agree to a war with Chicago. I certainly can't blame them for looking out for their best interests. However it has not continued from Chicago. It continued from Detroit and when enough other transgressions stacked up that turned the other cities against Detroit...that was the end for them.

No one lives under the false pretense that Philadelphia was happy with the speech given. And I'm sure if Chicago commits enough transgressions against other cities then Chicago will, as well, be looking down the barrels of overwhelming guns coming for them in our sleep. This is the path we've chosen and the risks we take.

I like to think that since that discussion Chicago as a whole has turned over a new leaf in regards to it's handling of diplomatic affairs. I like to think that conversations with such bullying tones are now a thing of the past. That Chicago will become a city that supports people giving their best effort even if mistakes are made. And truth be told I was very proud to see so many in my city stand up to the Detroit bullying that was so despicably evident in Philadelphia's last announcement and supported Philadelphia.

Everyone has made mistakes in the past. Chicago is no different. It's the ability to learn from those mistakes and the willingness to prevent them from happening again that inspires the patience and understanding that keeps others willing to work with your city. Chicago has displayed it. Detroit did not. That is why Detroit is no longer standing.

It doesn't make anyone a hypocrite to list to list everyone's reasons for an action when everyone is involved. Perhaps if Detroit had given the same consideration to Philadelphia before they would still be standing today.

Blutarsky i could not agree with you more, I am from New Orleans and to tell you the truth i am over listening to the crap spewed from others Cities concerning Philly. I have found Lotta to be most understanding and respectfull and to have handled constant crap throwen at her from every direction, She still holds her head up high and moves on Lotta you have my respect for that.

The last straw as GodFather James said was the speech conserning the Auth of Pharol a speech that still sickens me with the amount of blatant disrespect showen to the acting godmother of Philly a speech where the late alabama should have done somthing about.

As much as i respected and liked Alabama it proved to be a fatal mistake on her behalf i wish things had turned out differenly but they havent and when my orders come down from my city heads i have no freinds in other citys only my brothers and sisters from New Orleans.

So you're saying Chicago did not agree with that reason from Philly since they were as big a culprit in the Philly bashing as anyone? No, that's not what you're saying. Chicago agreed Detroit overstepped when they brought criticism to Philly for what they saw as no real reason correct? See where this is going once more? Chicago, out of common sense, should have avoided this announcement or at least through a sarcastic apology to Philly in there somewhere.

So you can take the initial step to bring down a gigantic fucking shit storm on a city, just don't follow through when everyone else joins in? Nice job in failing to rectify your mistakes and rather ignore them completely.

I agree completely, as I stated, the reasons for the take down (if true) were all that was needed. My problem came when the head of the city who spearheaded the verbal barrage on Philly listed that as a reason that I know they agreed with. Hypocrites is the word I'm looking for. Had action been taken on their own for blatantly disrespecting a city (In a fucking speech) I can sure as shit assure you it would have never hit the point it eventually did.

Shame those same people from Chicago didn't stand up and kill it where it started, in one of their owns street speech. Rather they chose to promote it, defend it and seemingly reward the person for it. What's that word I was looking for again?

Let's not talk about what's standing and what's not, there's reasons for everything and why certain areas are still standing. Chicago set the example that disrespect was alright from their own but not from others. That words coming to mind again.

I mean AT LEAST you figure you'd hold back promotion of the person who started it, some sort, fucking any sort of discipline for speaking to people far above his level in such a disrespectful fashion. There was nothing though.

Let me get to my point and lay it out as straight as it can be, Chicago has no fucking right to speak on the disrespect other cities showed Philly AFTER the "what the fuck is going on in Philly" debacle they created.

So you're saying Chicago did not agree with that reason from Philly since they were as big a culprit in the Philly bashing as anyone? No, that's not what you're saying. Chicago agreed Detroit overstepped when they brought criticism to Philly for what they saw as no real reason correct? See where this is going once more? Chicago, out of common sense, should have avoided this announcement or at least through a sarcastic apology to Philly in there somewhere.

Here's what I'm saying...Chicago had their reasons for taking down Detroit. Philadelphia had their reasons for taking down Detroit. It was agreed by everyone involved that JesseJames would deliver everyone's reasons. The crying about who gave what reasons is tiresome and pointless.

Why is everybody making out that Philly are the innocent party in all this. They've got as much blood on their hands than anybody else with their actions the past few weeks. If your going to bang the drum about standards and being held accountable. At least be consistent with it. It just makes you all look incompetent otherwise

Chicago are as much to blame in this, like it or not. I've had numerous people from Philly come to me to tell me Chicago should have been buried with Detroit given these poor reasonings. 

I think we stop with the GF council nonsense now aswell, and all the peace and loving crap. Lets not pretend you'd all fuck each over given halve the chance. I don't think two godfathers count as a council anyway, more a tete-a-tete

Kev listens silently to all the commotion without saying a word. His face shows a little saddened by recent events, the memories of his father's stay in Detroit still fresh in his head. Finally, but tentatively he speaks

What amazes me is how pent up people get about situations like this. People have their own opinions, and whether those opinions are based on fact or fiction, they will not generally be swayed from what they believe. From as long as I can remember, there has always been two, three, four and more sides to every story. And the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. What I know and believe about the reasons Detroit was destroyed is irrelevant. Nothing can be changed or reversed. And its a waste of time and energy to even try. Those that have the power wield that power indiscriminately. It is at their own discretion what legacy they leave behind. This is what seperates the great leaders from the 'rinse and repeat' ones.

We are all a part of the 'rinse and repeat' brigade. Perhaps the click click clicking that becomes so engrained into us makes us behave like clockwork and we re-enact the same old scenes over and over again? I dont really believe that. We are all masters of our own destiny. How many times have we seen situations where someone manipulates another into action purely for their own cause? How many times have we seen a whole city destroyed for some trumped up reason or another? How many times have we seen angry descendents come to our streets in frustration at a take-down? But in the end of the day, it doesnt change a thing, and it wont ever change a thing until people break the mould of repetition and start thinking and doing things differently, until people stop being swayed by popular opinion and learn to think for themselves and act for themselves.

Until such time, we will just have to face the rehashing of the usual routines. But dont worry, you become desensitised to it after a while and you barely bat an eyelid.

GT did and will do things differently.  End of.