Leo, I'm not sure you understand what a protocol is.  I will explain.

A protocol is the accepted and expected chain of events, often answering to a chain of command, put in place to ensure order, efficiancy and stability.  Breaching protocol at Ford might cost you your job, in the military, or a criminal subculture, it would (normally) cost you your job.

Under no circumstances whatsoever, unless things have changed drastically since the bible was written and my dad was inducted in his crew, is a sponsored member allowed to shoot at a sponsored member from another family *without permission from one/both crewleaders*

To do so merits the death penalty.  Come to think of it, shooting an *unsponsored* member carries the death penalty if he's young enough.

Two protocols were exposed yesterday - one was followed, one was blatantly ignored.

My dad is alleged to have shot at Leo's BG - for this, had it been proven, he would be killed.  This was followed (Incidently, he also would have got killed for leaving the crew).

The second protocol concerns Leo.  He shot at a sponsored member without seeking or gaining permission.  In doing so he placed his family and his city in danger of war.  And also placed the 7 cities at risk from a potential rogue.

That Leo is alive and well speaks volumes about the breakdown of protocols.  If Det/LV are to restore any dignity from this, action (not necessarily death) needs to be taken and made public.

PS - My bloodline amounts to my dad, that's it.  I have a close friend and mentor who will remain nameless.

" *without permission from one/both crewleaders* "

I think we can safely say that my leader is ok with what happened, otherwise I would be dead like your father.

Whether I asked permission is none of your concern as its "family" business and (thank god) you are not part of our family.

Consulting journals, it seems that the head of a family shot and killed an unsponsored juevenile - and was roundly condemned by all and sundry in the seven cities.

We have seen what happens when rules start to get ignored - cities start to come apart, our way of life is diminished.

LV/Det are conspicuous by their absence from this discussion.  I imagine they are desperately trying to find a way out of this quagmire.

Leo is a Well Protected Goomba, which suggest he is friendly with the purse string holders in Detroit.  I suspect this is the only reason he is still alive and gloating about how the rules don't apply to him.

" Consulting journals, it seems that the head of a family shot and killed an unsponsored juevenile - and was roundly condemned by all and sundry in the seven cities"

Had that juvenile been shooting at other Mafioso? If so he deserved what he got.

" LV/Det are conspicuous by their absence from this discussion. I imagine they are desperately trying to find a way out of this quagmire."

More likely they have better things to be doing than arguing with a crying orphan in the streets.

" Leo is a Well Protected Goomba, which suggest he is friendly with the purse string holders in Detroit. I suspect this is the only reason he is still alive and gloating about how the rules don't apply to him."

I'm friendly with all mafioso from the great city of Detroit, but the only purse string that has gotten me well protected is my own. I am not gloating about anything and I can assure you rules apply to me also.

Can you explain why your own family didn't kill you for such an outrageous breach of well established rules, then, if "rules apply" to you also?

You see the disconnect, surely?  You fired your fun at a *sponsored* members of another city's crew, missed, meaning he was protected for four hours.  It also meant that any of my father's crew-mates could have witnessed the shooting and attacked you and/or your family.

Wars have started for less.

Either the rules are there to be followed or they aren't.

You have admitted here in these Streets that you broke the rules, you have said that the rules apply to you, yet it's obvious by your still being alive that Detroit are not adhering to the rules.

" You fired your fun at a *sponsored* members of another city's crew, missed, meaning he was protected for four hours. Italso meantthat anyofmyfather's crew-mates could have witnessed the shooting and attacked you and/or your family.

Wars have started for less."

I agree, but let us not forget the fact that your father attacked me first. He could have easily sparked a war on his own, thank god I realised he was working alone and not under his leaders command.

" it's obvious by your still being alive that Detroit are not adhering to the rules."

You set these rules?

I broke the rules and got punished accordingly, how so is none of your business. Why should I be killed for defending myself?

Can you explain why your own family didn't kill you for such an outrageous breach of well established rules, then, if "rules apply" to you also?

Folks. This here is an example of stpnnllII's disregard for facts, he disregards everything that goes against his "agenda". The worst fact in this whole debacle is that time and again, people can't help but respond to this mans pathetic street comments.

Please, for the love of all things criminal, STOP responding to this man. He seeks nothing but trouble, time and time again. Now and then his bloodline spawns a member that lasts a couple of weeks by keeping quiet; when they do, they are often found to having been committing other acts such as shooting at Bodyguards. This person and his entire bloodline have always been a stain on our society.

He COULD be a good member of this thing of ours, lord knows he has the attritbutes for it, but he refuses to conform to our way of life. Instead he seeks anarchy where we seek peace, and for that reason alone he will never fit into our way of life and he knows it. Stop pandering to his inane ramblings, stop wasting your precious time and efforts on him as his ears are death to anything other than the sound of his own voice.

Should Leo have been punished? Its none of StpnllII's business, its none of my business, and franky its none of the communities business. Its between His leader, and the former leader of StpnllII's father from when he was attacked "without auth".

If we continue to talk on this subject, StpnllII will continue to try and twist peoples words to cause more hassle. The very fact StpnllII seems to think LV hasn't even entered into the discussion despite several LV hands and Cls commenting just further proves he cares not for what the outcome here is, he only cares that it causes trouble.

Fozzie, you are speculating and assuming.  And we all know what that means.

No-one is saying Leo didn't break the accepted rules.

No-one is saying my dad didn't get what he deserved.

Everyone is saying that, usually, people die for what Leo did.

Leo has said what he did was wrong.

His being alive confirms that protocols were broken.

Discuss these facts and don't waste your time, or mine, getting my bloodline wrong and disputing my methods.

My dad died for what he believed in and was fine with it.  As his son, I'm casting light on a dark deed.

WhereWasI falls over laughing,

"Fozzie, you are speculating and assuming.  And we all know what that means."

Wait a second. Your arguement is that Leo wasn't punished is purely based on speculation and assumptions. You weren't involved in LV-DT discussions at all. So what exactly does making speculations and assumptions mean to you? Don't forget he actually has facts based in your bloodline's history to back what you call assumptions whereas you really have nothing to prove your point. This would be a bid deal if it wasn't you, but it was you so most of the community doesn't really care you died again. You just feel we should so you came out here to whine and cry... again.

Looks above...

Stop speculating on my bloodline.  It makes you look silly.

Leo is *alive*.  The accepted and expected penalty for breaking the rules that he did is *death*.

Therefore it is safe to assume that protocols haven't been followed.

So, what next?  What can people get away with?

You don't write the rules child, each and every situation is different based upon the details. You don't need to know if he was punished because you yourself are no longer associated with either family involved. Move along cretin. You have no arguement, yet again, you're just shit stirring.

Stop speculating on my bloodline. It makes you look silly.

Its not speculation, its actually fact. You see, either two things are amiss. Either A) Stpnll wasn't your father and your bloodline is different, in which case you have caused the confusion from your own lies or B) You are the bloodline we know you are and can't even admit it as your ashamed of your own bloodline and how pathetic that it is.

Either way, your a fraud and a liar, or simply a liar. Makes no difference which. I actually would swing more towards A, because I have a feeling I know your true Identity and the fact you are allowing yourself to be used by this other person and are pretending to be the son of Stpnll is quite frankly pathetic. Just further goes to show how this whole entire speech was pointless.

Fozzie, put up or shut up.

Your options are inane.

I turn your question to you, put up proof Leo wasn't punished or shut up. You're an attention whore, move along now.

Fozzie I am tempted to go with option C.


This is the bloodline of stpnnll, however he was working with the bloodline we think him to be and isn't actually speaking in the streets but is more a puppet and has the hand of the bloodline we think it is up his arse.

I am tending to lead to option C myself because you can see when the person speaks for themselves and when they are doing the puppet impression.

The fact is though Romeo, Stpnll was the man we thought he was, this man claims to be that mans son, ergo he is the bloodline we assume him to be. However, he claims he isn't that bloodline and that our assumption is wrong; if thats the case, then he is lieing about being the Son of Stpnll, or lieing about being that bloodline.

Either way, neither You or I really care. He's still just an attention seeking idiot that can't seem to grow up and learn to actually fit in around here. I genunily wish he would just stop the childish antics and become a proper mafioso, as I feel he would be an asset to most familys with his street desires alone - provided he refrains from the usual inane bable and word twisting and sticks to offering his opinions and any relevant facts.

Just to clarify StpnnllII, the reason I didn't keep replying to you was because I had answered every single point you had made and have made since with one sentence;

"Either way, there are no set 'protocols'. Each leader or city as a whole deals with situations as they see fit."

That is all there is to it.

DeadlySin, you're being disengenous.  There are very accepted protocols, indeed set city rules.

Look at the Bible:

* Do not WACK!: Last, but not least, in fact I'd say 'most importantly': do not shoot at people! This is the fastest way to end up with a bullet between your eyes. I know it looks tempting and it sure as hell probably looks fun, but there are many, many rules for handling your firearm responsibly. Get into a family and contact that family's Hit Squad Leader for more information before you ever decide to use it. You could end up taking someone's life, or worse- losing yours!

Your father shot a BG of a Goomba from Detroit, at that point he was already dead. So anything that occurred after that really doesn't matter, whether it be the Goomba who killed him, his leader who killed him or any random gun knocking about in the city after he ran away from his punishment.

Then you come out here crying and whinging about it, stating the man who was attacked by your father should also be killed. May I ask what for? Seems to me he was defending himself and trying to prevent your father from taking another shot at his BGs.

Oh please, I am not being disingenuous in any way shape or form. Yes, the bible says that - it is however a guide, not a set of rules as you seem to be implying. Not just that, but if you're going to take the bible as a set of protocols then let me point out the most interesting point and one you really should have taken a look at properly before embarking on this ridiculous endeavour...

"You could end up taking someone's life, or worse- losing yours!"

Emphasis on the word 'could'. Now please, stop before you make yourself look even more stupid.