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| The War: My Perspective | Started by: Marston on Apr 04, '12 22:02 |
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Late last night I was approached by associates in my city informing me that I needed to attend a meeting immediately. Sensing their urgency I got in the back of the car and was taken to a coffee shop surrounded by bodyguards. |
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Clearing up the final bits of his father's funeral, having finally laid him to rest, TM steps out on the streets, seeing Marston go on about his point of view.
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| Reply by: The_Marine at Apr 04, '12 23:50 | |
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Marine, there is no need to be angry, Mr. Marston was just detailing his point of view in the last war. Some of what he said actually might have been the truth. Some might have not been, but in the end it was he and his allies that won the war. |
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| Reply by: Zikari_Rio at Apr 05, '12 00:06 | |
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Obstacle stops to hear more details about recent events and hears negative things about his predecessor's employer
Now, I understand it's your opinion and all, sir, and I respect that, but from an outside point of view it seems you're casting CorbinRussell in a rather negative light. Now, my predecessor wasn't a big part of the war and didn't leave many journals outlining the particulars, so could you indulge me and go a bit more in-depth to the following paragraph?
Thanks in advance for clearing things up. |
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| Reply by: Obstacle at Apr 05, '12 00:08 | |
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The truth is Macdre's family from Philly was never involved really both Immortal and Clarity had sent requests for them not to join which they agreed. In my opinion is someone wanted to chalk up a few kills to thin the ranks a little more when these people were offline(as they allegedly joined this fight whilse sleeping). In regard to Corbin and Macdre, from the last communication logs there was no communication between them either when Corbin stepped into the war and then went back to his house to relax.
I can understand joining a war to protect your own as seems the perrogative for corbins family following The_Marines statement, but such events are best planned well. |
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| Reply by: Pie_Eater at Apr 05, '12 00:19 | |
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Catriona had attended the funeral of TM's father, and was heading to a nearby bar to take a quick drink. On her way, however, she heard a rather loud voice speaking his thoughts on the war. Whilst she understood that history is written by the victors, Catriona felt that certain facts had been blown out of proportion, particularly with regards to her mother's former home city, Philadelphia.
I'm not here to try to disrespect nor discredit you Martson, but I cannot sit by in silence and hear the name of CorbinRussell called into question. My mother's journals showed that Corbin was a fine and well respected leader within her city, and her final words were that she, and many of the other of Philadelphia, were happy to die for him. I wasn't there while the war started, but I am prepared to stake my faith in TMs account. If Philadelphia was attacked, my mother would have been glad to die for the city, win or lose. And IF Corbin made the decision to go into war, she would have felt exactly the same. History is written by the victors, we all know that. But whether my thoughts are taken seriously or not, I would not like to sit here and listen to words which paint someone who was an excellent leader, mentor and friend to my mother spoken without calling them into question. |
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| Reply by: Catriona at Apr 05, '12 00:22 | |
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One part further i will also mention, as none of Corbins upper structure were on as the war started, members such as Hot Lips appoached Macdre's RHM and Macdre seeking advice on what to tell their crew and were told to stay out. As Macdre was out of town(in work), it would of been tactically inept to join a war with just one gun online. |
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| Reply by: Pie_Eater at Apr 05, '12 00:23 | |
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Pie_Eater, this is also very true, when the war started a few members that were awake, sought advice and were all advised to leave it be because Philly had no plans to throw our hat in. Shortly after that my father was shot at, and he and Corbin agreed to write it off as an error and try to solve it after the war settled down, then two more members turned up dead. It wasn't until that moment that Corbin turned to his family and said, "Now we're involved." |
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| Reply by: The_Marine at Apr 05, '12 00:29 | |
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Bull stops to listen to this war story and thinks back of his father and grandfather telling him of all the ppl metioned in this story!! I would have to say it was a very sad day as both sides lost alot!!! |
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| Reply by: Bull at Apr 05, '12 00:30 | |
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"In all fairness, when did Stamina have the upper hand in the war? New York, Las Vegas, LA etc, always had the upper hand as they were the first ones to strike. Corbin stepped in because he was brought up and raised in New Orleans. Was he to ignore his old allies, just so he doesn't look like he was jumping on the bandwagon? He took a decision and stuck with it. He acted accordingly to his beliefs." |
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| Reply by: DrBunsenHoneydew at Apr 05, '12 00:46 | |
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Some of these accounts of what happened are very skewered from where people where sitting as to be expected. I know Marston's view comes from the nerve center of the allied effort against New Orleans. As does mine. Even coming from the same place views can differ. |
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| Reply by: Donnie_Dumphy at Apr 05, '12 01:28 | |
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The two deaths from the city of Philadelphia were in fact, an inactive earner and a made man... In both cases I have no idea why or how they died but they certainly weren't targeted by our collective force. This is when we received word that Corbin himself had shot VenomousBlackBeetle. Had he jumped to conclusions and assumed these deaths were our doing? Had members of our family mistakenly shot them? We don't know the answers to those questions, because no-one from Philadelphia made an attempt to discuss it, instead they jumped to action. But I ask you this... Do you honestly think that if Philadelphia was our target we'd have killed these two?!
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| Reply by: Marston at Apr 05, '12 01:34 | |
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First I'd like to address Donnie, you refer to the "nerve centers" and I don't claim to know what had happened in the nerve center over there. But my father was sitting there when it happened, and over the course of time Corbin said several times that we were not involved, even having an attempt on my father's life. They still waited, when two more men died, he finally got involved. Philly tried with all their best to stay neutral. Now I ask, knowing that a war was going on, would you as a leader stand by and risk losing more men and women to it trying to remain neutral? Or stand up and defend the rest of them with everything you had. I'm sorry, but it seems to me that he made the best choice in the interest of his family. |
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| Reply by: The_Marine at Apr 05, '12 02:01 | |
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Well as Marston pointed out earlier there was never a shot assigned on a Philadelphia target until Corbin shot VenomousBlackBeetle. I do not know what Corbin's intentions were first hand. If you say he wanted to stay out of it I'm willing to accept that. If you say Corbin was shot at and two member of Philadelphia killed I will accept that as well as I don't have any information to the contrary. Corbin's reasons for joining the war matter not to me or anyone else who were calling the shots in the war. I would, however, suggest that he had alternative courses of action he could have taken such as contacting someone...anyone from the allied forces. He made no attempt to communicate with any of us to either confirm that he wished to stay out of the war or that shots were taken into Philadelphia. No matter what the reasoning he lead his city to slaughter that could have been avoided. |
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| Reply by: Donnie_Dumphy at Apr 05, '12 02:13 | |
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Donnie Now not to disrespect you but Members of Philly where turning up in the Orbits way before VenomousBlackBeetle was killed. Reading my deceased step fathers diary he prayed that it was not someone from the alied side that had decided to fire those shots. And at the time the late CorbinRussel was not walking the streets, it was not long after that Corbin exited his HQ and decided that he would throw his hat into the ring so to speak. |
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| Reply by: Chris-Flannery at Apr 05, '12 10:09 | |
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Mr Flannery... This has already been covered, there were only two deaths from Philadelphia before they jumped into action and it was not proven that they were killed by anyone from our forces. These two men were Gerbert and TonyAlacchi, fairly insignificant... I'm sure you'll agree. |
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| Reply by: Marston at Apr 05, '12 10:30 | |
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Insignificant? Marston, again, not to try and sound disrespectful, but I think a better choice of words might have been in line. For one, to speak so ill of the dead is just plain disrespectful, and for another, there is no such thing as insignificant to a good CL. For one, that made two less members of Corbin's family thus softening him up for a later attack, and everyone who is anyone knows that the more members your family holds the better your defense will be against would be assassins. So, insignificant? I am inclined to disagree. |
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| Reply by: The_Marine at Apr 05, '12 10:42 | |
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What I was saying is they were insignificant deaths given the events that were occurring, which they clearly were... Is their any logical explanation as to why these two men would be purposefully targeted by us? No there isn't, and that's why they weren't... |
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| Reply by: Marston at Apr 05, '12 11:06 | |
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Of course every member is important,That is why when that consig jumped ship to you a while back and Chade was'nt inpressed and did'nt feel a blood oathed member was struting around and got a promotion out of it you got your brains blown out by RoRoG.Or when you were leaking HS info to Sho when he was being shot at after the NY fall.But yet your so quick to throw down Swags name or whomever.You break unwritten codes/and rules all the time. |
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| Reply by: TheGreekBuconeer at Apr 05, '12 11:14 | |
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Well see, that's where I'm a bit confused, to still call them insignificant, to refer to a Made member of ANY family as "insignificant" in any way is beyond me. Given the events that were occuring? You're right, a massive ass war was occuring, and for ANY member of a neutral crew to be taken out, let alone made members, during a war, that hardly seems insignificant to me. It seems to me like the war was coming to Philly either way, and as you said, best to strike first and such...given the intel we'd gathered, because regardless you what you believe, there was investigating done, from the first attempt on my father's life on through the rest, and a friend of mine who will remain nameless at the time informed us that it was IN FACT L.A. that took those shots, whether sanctioned by the heads of the alliance or not, that was what we discovered, and if this was in fact the case, it takes a somewhat trained gun to wipe out a made member of a family...am i to believe that a CL would not be keeping good track of their trained gunmen? |
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| Reply by: The_Marine at Apr 05, '12 11:20 | |
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