I think if we took a poll on the general thoughts the female population of our community has for me I am pretty confident it would be positive. Having killed a number of people for disrespecting women in our family.

I am setting and example. The example is you look after your city and your members. I can't stress enough how nothing concrete has been laid against them. This is a ROLE PLAYING game and these women are CHOOSING to be a part of the group.

I don't get it, you don't get it. But it is what it is. If they aren't hurting anyone what is the harm? What would people think of me if I let someone fling unproven accusations (and jesus have we asked for proof of any kind NUMEROUS times) against members of my district. It is just endless ranting without substance.

Since we like to make personal things public.

Lets continue in the same vein and see how Ziva likes it when the shoe is on the other foot.

    Ziva-HP    You're a fucking cunt

    Ziva-HP    and I'm not going down to your level in the streets.

    Ziva-HP    But know that YOU are the liar

    Ziva-HP    and that you know fucking NOTHING

    Ziva-HP    about what I was doing when that last war went off.

    Ziva-HP    You're a nasty little control freak who had to make this a personal attack thing because you couldn't bully the logs you wanted out of me, when you wanted them.

    Ziva-HP    And yes, I am actually still fucking waiting to talk to Izzy about what I sent him, that wasn't a lie, you fucking cretin.

Shocking stuff I've seen here. I applaud your stance on the matter Godfather Numbers4Glory and admire the care you have over your own district.  

Oh are we back to the original point now? We finished with the personal attacks, insults, and threats? Alright, that sure held it's weight in feathers.

So, to the original point. It is a role playing game, correct. I feel like you still didn't actually read much of the original speech though. They have mentioned on several occasions that this is more than a game to them, that this is OUTSIDE (caps are better, right?) the game and very much a real thing.

If you want to condone this shit, then you feel free, I'm sure that positive poll response will remain positive.

Right.

This ends now everyone. I've heard this over and over. Both parties are to blame for this. No one here is innocent in hurting each other in some way.

I'm not one to tell people to shut up but.. Shut up.

This has gone on for much too long and both sides are instigating each other into being cunts. If you both parties just stopped and calmed down for a couple minutes this would have been no problem at all.

I apologize for my members attacks on you all - I don't like personal attacks. I also don't like personal attacks on them (Including the logs, shame on you, Epsi.)

You know she's angry with you, it's understandable. This was too far on her part and yours as well.

I personally think they just do a very good job role playing and having most of you believing the shit...However they do not actually bother anyone, and I think they are quite funny...and it is good to have different aspects to a game, than just the same old standard bullshit.

They don't bother anyone huh?  That is why friends of mine come to me telling me that these individuals are telling them they should pick their friends better, directing insults to me?  That only bothers me somewhat, but the fact that my friends feel a need to come to me with logs of it shows evidence that they're bothering somebody.

Im just talking about they actual role-playing...now if they or anyone has a personal vendetta against ppl. then that is a different matter, and is not what im referring too.

The role playing would be fine if it was kept to that, but I've already seen it on other occasions where, and there's evidence of it in the original speech here, that this roleplaying is leaving this world, and moving into another.  Again, well and good, if it wasn't for past instances of this group, preying on the weaknesses of some of these members and when they decide they don't want to do it anymore because they don't want to make it a real thing, they get guilted and insulted and chastized, in some cases even are too scared to stop because it.  Now forgive the OOCitis, but it seems to be fairly established that things have gone that route well and past now.

You make an excellent point, and I was just trying to stay active in forums and came across this and only gave an opinion....its obvious that I do not know all of the details...and yes I prob should have never said a word. With that being said, some people do take games or role playing to the extreme sometimes....And I do agree it is a little weird, but I am done here and sorry if I offended anyone.

I think the problem here is not so much the fact that they are a group. We have all seen little clicks that go on and try to make names for themselves in some way or another. However, theose groups if found get shot in cold blood, why? Because their is no place for loyalty to others outside their Families. 

Once again the issue here isn't so much the fact that they are a group or how they act as a group outside of the world. 

However, this little group has been seen to mass suicide on the whim of what Mr. Grey demands.

Numbers, I respect your thoughts, maybe not so much on how you addressed them but they are your thoughts none-the-less. My issue lies here, if a group is known to take demands outside of their current leadership, are we as leaders not putting other's in danger by allowing this too happen? 

If all the partakers suicide at whim, what's to say is Mr. Grey or whoever their Master may be, gets a hair up their ass and tells his submissive to fire at someone, they will obey. 

You all are defending them as individuals, yes Omerta is a way of life, but so is any Family code, such as loyalty. If they are loayl only to their master, then it's obvious their leaders don't have true loyalty from them as Mafioso's. 

There lies the problem, however, if people want to take a chance in having an unstable few within their Family, then it's there irresponsible decision to do so, I for one would never allow it. 

Yet again, just my opinion. 

Wiggle twiddle his tumbs and decides to go get his own followers. He shall call them, RS - Rump Shakers. Ass shaking at whim, how can you go wrong with that?

Since we like to make personal things public I'd just like to bring these comments to light for you Numbers4Glory. 

Goku:        Eepster    
Eepster:        Goku    
Goku: Ilu for you incog work
Goku: but if you die irl
Goku: can I have your stuff?
Eepster: you can have my car
Eepster: and my boombox
Goku: YES
Goku: smaller yes
Goodfellas: he's gonna find you irl
Eepster: lol
Eepster: he's already sent me threatening mails
Goodfellas: k so
Goodfellas: Can we just shoot him
Eepster: Grey?
Goodfellas: aye
Jeddy-HP: Man, that thread.
Jeddy-HP: Good read

Now, usually my bloodline would have a little more class than just letting everyone see logs of a coffee shop talk, but well I'm just a lowly Goomba. It really doesn't matter what I do or how I go about business. 

 I've had several people coming to be privately saying that they agree 100% with what I am saying; and I quote"She should mind her fucking business".

So I really hope your Captain Goku and your Captain Defy (Bloodline of Goodfellas) aren't the ones telling you privately saying they agree 100% with you. If they are, they are lying. If they aren't telling you privately that they agree with you 100% well at least you know that your Captain Defy wants Christian-Grey dead. 

It is my responsibility to protect my members. I know it's not something you have ever valued. I accept they are weird, and quite honestly not in the least to my liking.

But who really cares of your Captain Defy wants Christian-Grey dead. You don't even like  Christian-Grey and company, but you'll put the respect the community gives to you on the line for them. 

I am setting and example. The example is you look after your city and your members. I can't stress enough how nothing concrete has been laid against them. This is a ROLE PLAYING game and these women are CHOOSING to be a part of the group.

Yes you are a Godfather Numbers4Glory and you claim you are setting an example. What a super example that is. Completely attacking members of your city, bringing up things their bloodline has done in the past, telling them that you don't need their respect (Chalk, Made Man, NY), etc. You have completely set an example today of what kind of Godfather you want to be Numbers4Glory.

Us down here at the bottom look to those at the top of how to do things around here. Today you have shown me that I can suffer from complete OOCities if I am too lazy to structure my replies well. I can also bring coffee shop logs into game. I can personally attack members of the community. I should possibly fear coming to the streets and talking about my concerns of things going on in our world because I may be shot down by a Godfather who tells me I'm not in character. (In character is in character. I think Ziva's thread was completely in character. Since this most recent generation of Ziva (RIP) has been in the streets she's informed us of the happenings of what's been going on in our world through her eyes and expressing her opinion of it. That has been her character this whole time. Now, if this had been Ziva's first thread or post of any kind in the streets on this past account then sure, I could see how you could swing saying this is out of character for her). 

Godfather Numbers4Glory I'm disappointed in what I've seen from you here today. Think with your head, not with your power. 

Firstly her speech his far from in character.

This and I agree with my captain should someone have issued threats against you in either sphere (IRL or IG) then it is something that we need to address. I am however not in the habit of punishing people on a say so. So; allow me to request a form of proof for the 17th time. (This is not a made up number. It pains and frustrates me that this can't just ben handled. I asked Ziva repeatedly yesterday for logs so I could deal with the situation. I received nothing but excuses and misrepresentations.

Nothing I said about Ziva's, past was untrue. I could have gone into a last more detail and believe me i have it. I was setting the tone that her bloodline continually acts in a selfish manner and she has little to no care for her family. 

So I really hope your Captain Goku and your Captain Defy (Bloodline of Goodfellas) aren't the ones telling you privately saying they agree 100% with you. If they are, they are lying. If they aren't telling you privately that they agree with you 100% well at least you know that your Captain Defy wants Christian-Grey dead. 

Show me where he has threatened you and I'll shoot him myself. That is unacceptable behaviour but as I said previously. No one will supply me with so much as a lick of proof. The only logs I've received (none of which were prior to this speech going public) pertained to someone not choosing their friends wisely. Which admittedly is not a nice thing to say but it's hardly punishable by death.

Us down here at the bottom look to those at the top of how to do things around here. Today you have shown me that I can suffer from complete OOCities if I am too lazy to structure my replies well. I can also bring coffee shop logs into game. I can personally attack members of the community. I should possibly fear coming to the streets and talking about my concerns of things going on in our world because I may be shot down by a Godfather who tells me I'm not in character. (In character is in character. I think Ziva's thread was completely in character. Since this most recent generation of Ziva (RIP) has been in the streets she's informed us of the happenings of what's been going on in our world through her eyes and expressing her opinion of it. That has been her character this whole time. Now, if this had been Ziva's first thread or post of any kind in the streets on this past account then sure, I could see how you could swing saying this is out of character for her). 

Godfather Numbers4Glory I'm disappointed in what I've seen from you here today. Think with your head, not with your power. 

This entire thread is an attack of members of the community, attack in response to an attack is known as a defence. 

You should have no fear in coming to the streets, I never once implied, suggested, asked or demanded that Ziva be removed from our streets. I attempted to resolve this in a peaceful and ethical manner with her, when she refused for the 3rd time. I took to redirect the focus to me so that going forward I can bear the brunt of these assaults so my members and Captains don't have to.  She decided to take her own life, I literally never once asked for it. She can dish it out on the streets but when someone gives it back she needs 4 people to come to her defence; assaults me on IRC and suicides? Are you joking?

This has nothing to do with power. Ziva's bloodline has been a leader many times in our world and should have handled herself far, far, far, far better than she has. Please. Send me some form of evidence and I'll take action in a heartbeat. 

I figured I'd get dragged into this at some point.

I'm not even going to address all the bullshit before suttin's statement, however.

I see nowhere in that snippet where I agree or disagree with anyone. I was, obviously, making fun of the CG cult. That's what I do. I mess around, I have fun. I doubt there are many people in this world I have NOT insulted or ridiculed in some way shape or form. If anyone in #randomland takes anything I say in there seriously, I'd be extremely surprised.

I'm actually incredibly surprised with you Suttin. Of all the people in there, I had thought you would have been one of the last to try to use something I said on IRC avenue against me in the streets.

This entire thread is an attack of members of the community

Let's be real here, the so called members of this community weren't that easily exposed. The flaunt it. Which is even more daunting as to why they are so defended, when their "master" has nothing to do with the leadership of this community, which in turn seems to be a threat when at the word they do what is told by not a leader of this community, but of a man who hides behind a curtain. 

The facts behind what they stand for, and what they are capable of if allowed to do so is what bothers me. Not the chains, not the whips, not the kenneling. If they want to be treated the way they do then fine, but in this world, it looks more like a group of rogues then a group of sexually deviant folk. 

Just my two cents.  

Goku! You know I adore you. I wasn't trying to incriminate you at all. You didn't say anything incriminating. Also, yes, it's been said time and time again that the coffee shop known as Randomland (best expresso ever!) is an escape from the life of crime. That stopped when Godfather Numbers4Glory brought it into this life. It's a slippery slope when logs start to be posted into the streets of our world.

When I spoke in the coffee shops about the mail I had received from Mr. Grey I used the word threaten lightly. Though, I'm actually surprised that I haven't been shot by Mr. Grey yet. We all know how his bloodline is quick to pull the trigger (just ask the bloodline of Remy). My mails were never disrespectful to Christian-Grey or any of his girls. (As you all like to point out, he's playing a character and so was I.) He didn't threaten my life, but he was very rude to me. This is what you're defending. 

To: Suttin-CG
From: Christian-Grey
Sent: Mar 03, '14 00:53
Subject:

Glad you finally showed your true colors. Was only a matter of time I guess. You can take your mockery and shove it up your ass. That is nearly the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen someone do. Waste someone else's time.

If this mail isn't enough for you Numbers4Glory, just let me know if you'd like to see all the transactions between myself the the CG club/underground group. Well, unless Wargasm hasn't already showed you, that is. 

 If they want to be treated the way they do then fine, but in this world, it looks more like a group of rogues then a group of sexually deviant folk. 

Looks like a group of girls who have checked out. Is it not obvious that these girls haven't stepped out of their homes/apartments/love nests in the last 24 hours. All of them. I can understand why Wargasm didn't want any more of them in his family when they made up half of his family. And instead of serving him, they served their master. This is a problem and WiggleBottom has mentioned it. Though Numbers4Glory wants to defend his members or (and mostly) himself instead. 

HandsomeRob flips Wiggle a toony (a Canadian two dollar coin). As Wiggle catches it Rob says...

Thanks for your cents but you can have them back. It would be polite if you didn't try to troll in an ordeal that is completely held in regard for New Yorkers. Thank you sir.

Now I don't speak much on these streets. People ask why and I tell them the politics of the streets aren't my thing anymore. Reason being is that I am far too old, for this stupid bullshit. Look at what we have here for example. At first you had one person making assumptions about some cult her friend infiltrated and trying to stir some shit up. Clearly that is what happened. I mean obviously there was no reason for Ziva to start talking shit about some guy who has a bunch of women as followers. 

Any leader worth their salt would come to these streets to defend their people. I am honestly at a loss as to why this makes him a bad guy. It's been done countless times before. Leaders have shot others for disrespecting their members, suicided over disagreements about the unfair treatment of their members, started wars over simple questions being asked about their members because someone deemed it threatening. And all that was asked in this situation was for it to stop. But it couldn't get dropped. And so now here we are, with more challenges, more flimsy accusations and N4G is just supposed to go "Oh wow, you guys are right, it's ok to go ahead and disrespect my members in public and disrespect my district and challenge my authority because you don't agree with what some of my members are doing. I'm totally wrong, you're totally right." Get real here. Seriously.

Put yourself in his place and tell me you'd just sit back and let people attack your members. Most of you that are here arguing, your bloodlines have been in similar situations and didn't allow, why should it be allowed now? Because you're on the other side? Hypocrite much? Speaking of hypocrites... This whole conversation started with Ziva posting personal mails from your bloodline and just because my Godfather follows suit, its only him posting logs? 

My Godfather stepped in and protected his members and somehow it was turned around as though he was in the wrong. How the hell did that ever come up? He is literally protecting his district. His earners, hitters; the people who love him. Ultimately someone poked the bear, and is now getting it. The funny part is the friends that come to the rescue after the fact. When did his "thing of ours" become 90210? When did coffee shop friends become more dear to you than your family? Or supporting someone who is clearly in the wrong? 

Thanks for your cents but you can have them back. It would be polite if you didn't try to troll in an ordeal that is completely held in regard for New Yorkers. Thank you sir.

 So when did someone's opinion, no wait let me restate that, when did a subject in the streets ever become confined to one city and one city alone? I'm not in New York so I don't have a say in the what this discussion holds? I'm pretty sure it revolves around the community so I have every right to state my own opinions. 

Picks up his two cents and puts them back in his pocket. 

I'm damn glad we live in a low market, I might be able to afford some new insight on the way things work. Apparently I'm a little off on how this world works these days. 

Sutton walks over to WiggleBottom.

Can I borrow two cents?

She asks him and once he gives her the change she chucks it at HandsomeRob. Sutton shouts HandsomeRob's way.

Maybe that'll knock some sense into you buddy. The world doesn't revolve around New York. 

Sutton was finding herself coming down with a life threatening case of OOCities.  

To: Suttin-CG
From: Numbers4Glory
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:26
Subject:

Logs please Eepz.

Physical threat is all I need

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To: Numbers4Glory
From: Suttin-CG
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:26
Subject:

Logs of what?

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To: Suttin-CG
From: Numbers4Glory
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:27
Subject:

Logs or mails or whatever of Dalton physically threatening you

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To: Numbers4Glory
From: Suttin-CG
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:36
Subject:

The only thing he's ever sent me was what I just posted in the streets. Though, what Anna took to the admins is pretty fucking terrible - What Dalton said to another member of our community. Terrible. 

Or how about Wargasm terrorizing me in PM about what I can and cannot do in game because he doesn't want to look like the stupid person who took in all the CGs. They are effecting the game and now your district and now V's crew. That's SEVEN people out of V's 24 IA because their master (I don't have proof of this but I'm not stupid and everyone else knows it too) because their master has told them not to log in. Or how about Siobhan - a respected member of this community all of a sudden shoots and kills a CA as Cosima and then retires, sticking Severe with the bill and other people in Chicago not happy. Then to find out she suicided to join with Dalton. 

You don't need solid proof to do what you want. Did Cantillion have solid proof that Dripple would come after his city/district? No, but he felt his city/district in harms way with Dripple living and Toy gone. You are mailing me, telling me all you need is logs. Shit I bet if I sent you fake logs you'd take my word for it and kill these fuckers because you know they are causing problems. They are effecting your district, effecting V's crew. 

I don't have incriminating logs and I'm not going to make up fake ones. But I can put two and two together and if I was in your shoes I would have figured out a smarter way to defend my members I don't really give a shit about instead of going tooth and nail with Anna about a blatant problem. 

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To: Suttin-CG
From: Numbers4Glory
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:42
Subject:

Eepz. Ilu.

But there is a right way to do things. I don't manufacture reasons. I don't like the shit but until someone can show me something they have done wrong I'm not able to do anything.

Anna did not handle things well. Lied to me and I am not here to pander to her will.

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To: Numbers4Glory
From: Suttin-CG
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:45
Subject:

Anna not handling things well and you not handling things well is totally different. Neither of you handled things well, but Anna is known to handle things dramatically, you on the other hand are a Godfather. Besides how terrible you made yourself look today and it doesn't matter how many people agree with you - there's the same amount of people that didn't. This is also how the streets become stagnant. One crew leader goes power tripping and people fear to speak on the streets. It happens, don't tell me it doesn't.

How did she lie to you?

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To: Suttin-CG
From: Numbers4Glory
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:54
Subject:

Eepz.

I never once asked for her to be killed. There were 20 other people for that. I was quite happy to take her on in the streets. I hit her with a little of what she gave me. And she rage quit.

She went to the streets saying I had an opportunity to deal with this privately. Last time she mailed me before this was to say congrats on GF. She never said shit but was happy to shame us in the streets.

Claimed she sent the logs that would get CG banned to Izzy. I asked him for them so I could sort it out. He hadn't got anything.

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To: Numbers4Glory
From: Suttin-CG
Sent: Mar 04, '14 04:59
Subject:

You still handled yourself poorly in the streets. I'll stand by that.

I also don't take your for a liar or Anna. I know the story about Dalton the dead girl and this other member. She told me she took it to izzy. She's never lied before. 

I can't blame Anna for rage quitting. You brought up previous accounts. You brought up accounts under Ralph. If you tried to do that shit with me I would have given you hell. It sucked a whole lot of donkey dick under Ralph. She did her goddamn best under Ralph and I'm sorry that you couldn't see that or even consider that and attacked her with it. I don't know what happened between the two of you, I haven't seen the logs or the proof. I have only seen what has been said on the streets. Again, it's different when she attacks you and you attack her back. 

What she brought to the streets is still a problem, but all you can see is it's an attack on your members or whatever. V is going to have 7 inactive members or they are going to suicide whenever someone actually hits Christian-Grey. Good luck.

I'm sorry HandsomeRob, what were you saying again? Oh that's right: 

 He is literally protecting his district. His earners, hitters; the people who love him.

That's why he said this right? 

I don't like the shit but until someone can show me something they have done wrong I'm not able to do anything.

Two people have already tried to take the life of Christian-Grey, but folks, don't waste your bullets. Just get the man to threaten your life and Numbers4Glory will do the job for you. 

<font color="#66CCFF">To Christian-Grey and his girls: Your Godfather doesn't want you - he's looking for reasons ANY REASON to kill you. Your crew leader is completely </font>embarrassed<font color="#66CCFF"> by you. </font>