Maybe if they ever grace us with their presence again they'll see how much attention we want to shower them with. 

Oh cool more personal digs, this time about someone who's recently died and might not even have a descendant here!!! Very tactful, thank you for that lovely display. I take back what I said earlier disappointed doesn't even begin to cover it, and the frustrating part is I know you Numbers and you are so much better than this man!!!

DramaticMafiaGirl2?

I would call it a less than proper way out and that's fine but firstly you don't need to address it as I'm sure many people possibly felt that way and secondly the words you chose were very aggressive and disrespectful to the dead. The only reason I bring this up Numbers is as I said I do respect you and your bloodline and I expect the best from you as a godfather because I know you are more than capable of doing it. If I didn't I would've said nothing or been an arrogant prick about it, which I'm sorry if you felt I was.

I will make a note not to mobmail you then GroverUnderwood, if you don't believe in a code of silence that is your choice.

 

Omerta to me is quite simple, "A person should absolutely avoid interfering in the business of others"

Just don't mail me and tell me about your secret harem where they feed you a steady diet of bacon or something else just as silly and you'll be fine. 

I believe in a code of silence, sure. One that's mob related.  I'll take my family's secrets to the grave and any info from business associates I do business with, obviously. The secrets of a man and his slaves, demeaning rules, etc? I don't see how that would even remotely fall under the whole concept of "Omerta".  Someone mails me from my upper structure asking me to do something for them, I'll keep quiet but if I came across the kind of information Ziva stumbled into(and could speak as eloquently as she could), well...I think that non-mob related info is fair game. 

Your definition is far too loose, in my opinion. This is the first I've heard a code of silence being applied to something outside of the mafia. Points for being unique though!

They are effecting your district, effecting V's crew

How is it someone not in said crew, can claim its being affected? Fuck right off with bullshit statements like this.

This entire dramafest is boak inducing and not worthy of being in our streets. Jesus christ people have you all sunk so low that you need to cause so much shit over the fact someone is doing something you dislike?

Do I like Mr Grey and his Girls? Yes. They are fucking strange and very different to the people I normally interact with around here, for that reason alone its nice to have them around. Why is it people are so scared of people that are different?

I've constantly asked for evidence of any wrong doings that they have done, just like Wargasm has and just like Numbers has. For some reason people are so hell bent on getting Mr Grey and his friends killed, that they seem to have ignored the fact they haven't actually done anything worthy of being killed for.

I'm sorely disappointed in a lot of people for this crap. I love these streets and it deeply saddens me to see tripe like this in them. 

LOL are you all fucking kidding me? Can we be 
freaking honest here for a second?

This whole thing is a fucking joke. This wasn't written with any intent of helping the woman in MR. This a mockery of a group that has a "different" sexual preference. This was done to bring them to light and cause embarassement, that is all this is. Anyone who beleives in the "true good" intentions of this speech, can't see behind a glass door.

You are having problems with them you say? You are having issues maybe after you went to poke the bear. This whole thing was provoked, starting with the mails. Eepster, you know I heart you and always defend your views when I agree with them, but you went after the story. I've seen these logs a week ago, and I admit I laughed, because it is weird, but thats my personal opinion. But it was all done for a laugh and you know it!

The truth is that you went after a story, and after that you digged deeper to provoke them and you gave Ziva the material to do the mockery. And Ziva, I know your bloodline is not so old as some of us, but around here hun you need to have a bit of steel in yourself dear, if you go into the rain, don't run once you get wet. 

Who talks a lot must have the strenght to take it up the chin and handle it when things backfire. If you can't take the hit, gtfo, that's the laws of these streets.

The leaders of NY are acting correctly, leaders are here to defend their members and thats what they are doing. Claiming that CG group is doing real life threats and that those logs were to the admins, well we don't see any results from that, do we? Why weren't those same logs that were delivered to admins first not delivered to the leaders of NY? And if the CG is so bad why haven't the admins killed them yet?

Please keep in mind that you are not dealing with a bunch of retards. Some of us can see past your intentions of getting entertainment from causing drama. If CG have what we consider creepy or weird sexual preferences, that's their own thing, the only thing that should matter to us is: Have they shot anyone that they shouldn't have? Are they acting like a underground group? Nope and nope. 

If they do treaten people, I'm sure the admins and the leaders will take care of it. If they start to reach out to girls and get them to suicide, I'm sure that the leaders will take care of it. Leader to leader.

Let's not forget that CG didn't reach out to any of you, you both went after them.

I tried to let this speech die down before I provide a reply that is full of grammatical errors and tangents that make sense to me, but not the reader. As this speech is carrying on, it’s best that I provide a short, but straight to the point version of some of these things (which may contain RP and OOC mixed together. As for previous points, this may answer them, it may not. I am not going to traverse through all of them when you can hear the events from the horses mouth.

First off, I did allow Christian Grey to be housed within my head quarters. It was then I was asked if several of his women could be housed with me too. At first it didn’t register when he said “his women”, but nonetheless they came knocking on my door, all bearing the same moniker at the end of their names. Obviously perplexed with this, I approached Christian and he told me bluntly what the relationship was between himself and these ladies. At first I was very sceptical, sceptical may even be lightly putting it, but I gave him and the ladies a chance to be housed here, with some conditions of course. These were:

• No more CG women after the original seven.

• Under no circumstances were the women to question what I say in leadership. They were to be loyal to me as every normal player.

• That a certain stage of decorum and etiquette were to be upheld within the head quarters and beyond.

As for the first condition, it was upheld. The reasoning behind it was simple, I didn’t want their to be apparent cliques in my family, so I set it as a lower number in hope that cliques didn’t appear and for everyone to socialise with each other. So far this has worked.

The second condition is really a given. I felt it necessary as they were all coming from another land and grouped together, to be reminded that in this land, the leader of their family is myself, not Christian Grey. This condition was immediately accepted by Christian and the women. So far the women and Christian have been polite to myself and my crew, they have done tasks to a timely fashion and have never questioned what I have said. So far, this condition has been upheld.

The third condition is obvious.I didn’t want none-CG related people to witness a decorum that could be classed as “smutty” and “degrading”. It was agreed upon immediately with the reassurance that the women were naturally quite pleasant and polite. So far, myself and my upper structure have not witnessed one single act of “smut” or indecency. I could even go as far as saying that they are some of the politest people I have seen on here. So, in turn, this condition has been upheld.

So, the conditions I gave, as a person who was highly sceptical, have all been upheld. So far, so good. I had no reason to doubt Christian Grey or his women. Also, it may be poignant to mention that no one who felt there were any danger, on here or more importantly, real life, had approached me. Perhaps people who were genuinely disturbed and distressed were waiting for a better moment to inform me? Who knows, eh?

The first problem I received with regards to Christian Grey was something that was something against him, not the other way round. The repeating duel requests (that Christian ignored) ceased thanks to the great and swift actions and words by the other crew leader involved. I am not mentioning names as it is really surplus to the problem at hand.

Bar the occasional joke in the coffee shops, nothing was mentioned about Christian Grey and the ladies, nothing whatsoever, at least not to me anyway.

The first, and I mean the first time I had heard of any foul play was when Ziva came to my private booth in the coffee shops. Admittedly, a few poorly used words were uttered by myself and Ziva, but ultimately, I stated that I would act upon any logs that were given to me. The normal protocol to end someone’s life is evidence, and I would not be doing anything different. Ziva informed me that she would not disclose said logs as to protect the anonymity of her friend, but would be showing them to the Gods that be. Was I annoyed? Yes, I want to deal with any action that needs to be done without the forced hands of the Gods. Do I understand why she said that? Yes, I do.

Then it leads up to this moment. Words being thrown around the streets by both parties, Numbers doing the natural and first thing that comes to his head and that’s to protect Christian, myself and every other member in Staten Island.

As for peoples evidence? I see words that people would never even bat an eyelid if it weren’t for this topic at hand and the eagerness for some people to jump on this clusterfuck of a band wagon. I see supposed invitations to be a “CG girl”, but these invitations and talks were not initiated by Christian or any of the CG ladies, they were initiated by the opposing party. Forgive my basic terminology, but is this not entrapment?

Like I mentioned to Ziva (GRHS) in the coffee shops and to everyone on this planet, I will act upon credible evidence. Logs are not given for me to act upon, thus I cannot act. Pretty much the most simple thing mentioned in this speech.

(OOC - I had to add this little OOC paragraph on the end as to really sum up my feelings on the matter. People who know me, and there will be a lot who will know me as V, should know that beneath my jackass demeanour and my TENDENCY TO TYPE IN BLOCK CAPITALS, I am one of the nicest people on this game. I will give every person the time of day if needed and will be there for anyone that needs it. So, if this being a matter of urgency and ascertaining to all different kind of problems, then why have people that I class as friends, associates or just people that I know, barring Anna who did approach me, not bother to inform me of said concerns and any viable evidence of what’s going on? If it was that paramount to peoples thoughts and was that dangerous to people’s wellbeing then where is the message to myself? Where was the message to Izzy? Please, it’s disgusting that people try and use the real life argument point when they would only act upon it on here. As always, my inbox, my PM and other communicative devices is open to people that need me.)

Our community is allowing a cult to exist within it, separate from our world here, although using our world as a recruiting ground. This cult, who's girls are required to love and serve their "master" beyond their own regard for themselves, reminds the girls that although they aren't forced to provide sexual services, it's the best way to win favor. We basically are allowing this group to use our world as a mechanism for their whoring women out. Are we really okay with that? Is this really what we want our world to be? Is this really who we all are, as a collective community?

Were this just a matter of a strange group, I wouldn't come to the streets about it. But, thanks to the undercover work of the Eepster bloodline, I feel as though what we have uncovered here, what we as a community have allowed here, is something much more sinister, and with little regard to what they do to members of the community here.

Heh, I'm just goint to reply to this summary with 2 very brief points.

1. This is not new, this not new at all. But it's a lot more public and that's the only difference. In fact, these kinds of relationships are happening allllll around you, when you least expect it. Not just online, everywhere. You just made things public. There only public reference other than the obvious Christian Grey name was a 2 sentence quote lol.

2. When a woman makes the decission to give a man full control, what exactly does that mean? Did the man make that decission for her? No... she did.... so who eventually do you really think has the power in this? The second the woman says it off. You bet your ass it's off. So.... we should feel more sorry for Christian Grey given that at any moment these girls can walk away and he will be left with nothing. No power. His power only exists as long as they let him have that. Get that very straight. 

That will be all.

So when did someone's opinion, no wait let me restate that, when did a subject in the streets ever become confined to one city and one city alone? I'm not in New York so I don't have a say in the what this discussion holds? I'm pretty sure it revolves around the community so I have every right to state my own opinions. 

Wiggle you're right in the aspect that this is a public forum however, I was being polite and trying to tell you to save face rather than enter a conversation that is inner New York's. Clearly the jabs are made at New York's members and a specific district. You entering this conversation and trying to help out a friend when she's in the wrong, is not good for business amigo. Thats all I was trying to do. To get you to save your time and effort. 

That's why he said this right? 

So what's the issue here.

Rob laughs at the lame attempts to belittle his friend again.

N4G is doing his job investigating into said problem/issue, and nothing has come of it. Your friend just came to the streets to stir up some tail feathers, and failed. And now you're looking like a jerk. 

I've constantly asked for evidence of any wrong doings that they have done, just like Wargasm has and just like Numbers has. For some reason people are so hell bent on getting Mr Grey and his friends killed, that they seem to have ignored the fact they haven't actually done anything worthy of being killed for.

Thank you sir Tyrion for the insight. It only took a handful of us to say the same thing over and over until someone let the topic be. Lastly, it is a damn shame that this topic is so distasteful that even Miss Pocket weighed in. Someone who is your friend, ultimately said this was bullshit. Can we all go back to stealing Roberto_Carlos's fedora all night and drink bourbon while he sips on Apple Martinis? 

Rob. might I remind you that New York members have had the opportunity to have their say on matters that were strictly inner-Chicago when they have been laid out on the streets. An opportunity that was taken advantage of with a far less respectful tone than what Wiggle has used here. As long as he maintains his respectful tone I shouldn't see where there would be a problem with him airing his concerns whether you agree with them or not.

A lot of words have been misheard or twisted in this speech. I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that I told anyone they couldn't speak here. I merely suggested that WiggleButt refrain from trolling in this matter. I think we could all agree that that is one thing this speech does not need, as there is enough drama here without such tactics being used.

I will never tell anyone that they cannot speak in the streets. Again, I only advised him that it would be a waste of time. I apologize if he took them as hard as you did. But I do not apologize in the fact that you are not hearing me clearly enough to understand what I am trying to say.

Let's just clear one thing up to begin with. Ziva didn't 'run away', get scared. Seriously, what the fuck is scary about any of you?

She had a gun pointed at her head, and someone ready to pull the trigger. She decided not to give them the benefits of killing her, or the satisfaction, and did it herself. So please, shut the fuck up with your bullshit and lies, holy shit, yes, you lied too! If you don't know the details of something, don't try to make yourself look big by talking about it, you just look a cunt.

I find it genuinely surprising how many people are out here defending some of the words used by N4G. Now, I can understand being on his side when it comes to defending his district, of course, but to defend personally attacking someone, and bringing their ancestors into it as well? (More lies about the ancestors as well by the way, again, you don't know what the fuck happened in North Side back then, so, again, shut the fuck up about it.) I must've missed the part where personal attacks are completely ok, and to even go against an entire bloodline in an attempt to try to make yourself look the big man, and make them look smaller. Ziva didn't bring personal attacks into it, N4G did, and yet that's completely fine apparently? Nah, he's an absolute disgrace.

I know that a few people here will just agree with their Godfather or leader just to save face, but I didn't realise this many people were as spineless as you have shown. It's easy to agree with the Godfather, because that won't cause any waves with them. Grow a pair and stop holding hands, it's embarrassing. Yes, I'm talking to you, Rob. Do you have your own opinion about anything at all? Or are you here just to kiss N4G's feet and agree with everything he says?

My grievances have actually moved somewhat from the whole CG thing to be honest. I still think their whole ideal is total bollocks and disgusting to be defended though. My grievance is now more with the fact that N4G has probably shown the most appalling showing of a Godfather I have ever seen, and yet is almost being commended for it by some people. (I saw Sherlock, so that's really saying something.) For people to be blindly defending this just makes me worry about the future of this place.

Chalk.

let me just remind you of one of the first lines from the mouth of Ziva in this speech.

This charmer, known to those in this world by other names, including Dalton, has now at least twice had a cult of women around him,

Now, remind us again, who brought bloodlines history into this? Oh, Ziva did. Oops.

When you come to bat for someone to defend them and make someone else the bad guy because they did something first, when in actual fact the person your defending did it first, it kinda makes me wonder what the actual fuck you are doing here in the first place. You've offered no insight into the situation that people were discussing, all you've done is stand there and make an attempt to defend a person that chose to bring this on themselves. Well done, I applaud you for defending your friend, but don't sit there and make judgements about a Godfather simply because he chose to defend his members and attack Ziva. You've done nothing but make yourself look stupid in my view.

As I said before, the entire speech and majority of replies are pathetic.

She bought a bloodline in, but did she personally attack members of that bloodline, in an attempt to make herself look important, and like the big man? When you come to make someone out to be the bad guy, when in actual fact you don't know what you're on about, it kinda makes me wonder what the actual fuck you are doing here.

Know what else makes me wonder what the actual fuck you are doing here? The actual fact that you think this actual thread is actually pathetic, and that the majority of the actual replies are also pathetic. If that's the case, what the actual fuck are you doing here? If this is as actually pathetic as you claim it to be, you must be one pathetic twat yourself if you're out here spending your time on it, eh?

I find it genuinely surprising how many people are out here defending some of the words used by N4G. Now, I can understand being on his side when it comes to defending his district, of course, but to defend personally attacking someone, and bringing their ancestors into it as well? (More lies about the ancestors as well by the way, again, you don't know what the fuck happened in North Side back then, so, again, shut the fuck up about it.) I must've missed the part where personal attacks are completely ok, and to even go against an entire bloodline in an attempt to try to make yourself look the big man, and make them look smaller. Ziva didn't bring personal attacks into it, N4G did, and yet that's completely fine apparently? Nah, he's an absolute disgrace.

This entire point of this thread was he result of a troll for the purpose of a personal attack on multiple people. So actually, get off your horse mate. Personal attacks are not okay. But as I've pointed out numerous times today, when you attack in response to an attack it's a defence. I know a lot about what happened during that war. A lot more than I shared. 

She ran for the hills. Somewhere that my big bad words couldn't find her. She has no issue dishing it out man, but when someone gives back it's a travesty. 

She personally assaulted me more than once, on here and in coffee shops. Her bloodline was brought up as a relevant testimony to her continued habit of running and not giving a fuck about other people or the effect her decisions have. It was extremely pertinent.  

Ran for the hills, sure, because having a gun pointed at you and certain death arriving, is running for the hills. Okay then. Sure. Logic.

I'm not so sure how she doesn't give a fuck about other people. As a CL, she protected her family, calling them personally to try to ensure their survival, as well as making decisions that were the best for her family to survive. Her own survival wasn't even considered in this, it was her families. To the point of not giving a fuck with the most recent Ziva, she didn't give a fuck what people thought of her, however, she did give a fuck about DanTheMan. Both myself and Ziva were, and I still am, quite happy to accept death for whatever we say here. She didn't put Dan in any sort of position, she wasn't being selfish, she was happy to be shot for her words. Dan made the choice not to, it was not because of her preference. What she wasn't happy to die for though, was somebody personally attacking her, and her being dead for it.

So, again, if you aren't aware of the situation, or the events, don't try to use it to strengthen your argument, cause you're gonna look like a silly twat.