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| As The Pig Sees It | Started by: Piggeh on Jan 19, '09 23:00 |
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Leroooooooooooy Jeeeeeeenkins.... Sorry what? Moment of temporary madness, honestly, I'm fine. Yes I just made that up, I'm good like that. Denver yawns and looks wearily at the crowds of chattering people. Mind you, that's quite a constructive contribution in comparison to some of what's been said here... |
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| Reply by: Denver at Jan 21, '09 03:40 | |
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So we have heard two stories regarding our speedy little friend, I will offer the third and the one that my sources have told me. "Nino let me tell you about Sonic, he has always been a heavy drinker and has on occasion used a few of the drugs he is supposed to be trading. Well he went a got high as a kite, whilst also hammered on some moonshine that Denver has been peddling about. So he was wandering the streets of Vegas and caught a glimpse of a bloke who appeared in a comatose state lying on a bench. Well I was shocked and stunned when he pulled out his pistol and shot the guy, but you know me, you told me to keep my ear to the ground when anything unusual goes down. So I keep my distance and see him pass his money off to someone I didn't recognise. I'm sorry mate but I haven't seen that person before so I can't ID him for you." "Skipper, Skipper" this gangster comes up to me "Sorry mate the Boss is away but you can tell me" I tell him. "I just saw a bolt of blue hair blast by me, he was, he was holding a gun and firing off a few rounds" Now this kid is clearly scared. "Don't worry, your near me now, look around and see the BGs protecting me they will keep you safe." I have to do something to calm him. "Now catch your breath kid and tell me what you saw." "Well that blue haired guy, Sonic I think he is called, word is he has been shooting a few peeps, well I'm scared, will he come after me because I just saw him shoot Zombie_Nixon and I don't want to be another loose end for him to clean up. He looked as high as a kite but he also looked quite poor, yet I cant ever recall him looking that poor before I would have said he was very poor to be honest" Now this lad is really looking scared "Leave it with me and I will have a word with ThomasRourke, I just spoke to him on the phone so I will see what we can do" My final source told me this. "El, hows it going? I just saw the strangest thing! Now as you know I am a Catholic and frequently I spend some quality time in confession. Well I just saw someone praying to the gods to sort out a problem with his family. Apparently one of his crew has been shooting about under the influence of some substance and this chap was praying for him to be returned to our lands along with the people he shot. I mean Jesus Christ, whoops that's another confession for me, are we really able to do that when things go wrong?" "I will be honest the actions of the above have always been a mystery to me, but I am a mobster not a man of the cloth so I can't offer you any guidance other than what I can remember from Sunday School. Those words were simple The lord moves in mysterious ways" So I guess that's another spin on that tail then. Back to topic I guess the recently deceased piggeh, this is potentially the calm before the storm of activity. Maybe your winged pig type or horsegace type offspring will be back and able to see something occurring next time. |
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| Reply by: El_Nino at Jan 21, '09 08:31 | |
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All I can say is one of the Crewleaders felt guilty of what the Pig was preaching, and tried to make a legacy by killing the one and only Franklin Figerou. Unfortunately for him, and fortunate for Franklin, he Falured. RIP STC. I never knew you. Never knew how you were as a boss. Just saw you walking the streets. But, GRHS nevertheless. |
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| Reply by: -Skorpeon- at Jan 21, '09 08:54 | |
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This topic has caused quite a stir. Good to know that the Pig still had it in him. Nino, come to think of it, I remember that incident that was brought up in one of those coffee shops. I was rather disturbed about it as you were. A leader should deal with his business, the manner in which he does will be a point of how he will be remembered, be it a failure or a success. Try. Make tough decisions. And stick by your principles. Going cap in hand to the Gods, does not sit well. Mind you, this is what was brought about openly via the grape vine. It would be interesting to have some light shed about those events. |
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| Reply by: MickeyRourke at Jan 21, '09 10:06 | |
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No disrespect but I've heard this argument multiple times by different people. The difference is someone well known is making it. Just let things play out as they always do. Times of so-called peace and prosperity are usually followed by very violent excitement filled times. Right now decisions are being made which will inevitably lead us into those times. It's an endless cycle. Last time it happened the #1 crew broke in two resulting in a massive war and the sole survivor being Marietta, something she will also be remembered for. And since I've heard this argument before, I'll give it the response every argument like this deserves. If you don't like it take care of it yourself. Once again though, with all due respect. |
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| Reply by: NoDice at Jan 21, '09 11:32 | |
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I have plenty of reason to shut up? Over describing a dream? A leader is threatening me with death because I have described a dream in the streets? Why exactly are you threatneing me over a dream?! If it was as much of a non-event as you say then surely it should not be going this far. Everyone knows dreams are not real life. However, I am a very very worried man now. You say Sonic TOLD you that he was possessed and that his hand DID fire two bullets killing two members of this community? With all due respect, How do you know this will not happen again? How many times can the Gods come down and reverse the effects of the devil? Surely he is a dangerous man to have around the HQ if the devil can so freely take him over? Just wondering like as the safety of The Potosi Mob is very important to me and having had one member shot and been taken through a very painful reincarnation I really don't want it to happen again. Tips his hat Good day. |
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| Reply by: Frijj at Jan 21, '09 13:50 | |
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Good to know that the Pig still had it in him. HOLY SWEET MOTHER OF MARY, JESUS AND WIFE OF JOE. Let me spell this out to you. THE "Pig" IS LONG DEAD! I do not know who this (now) dead thug was, perhaps he was his son, his father, his sister or his long lost dead dogs previous owner. THAT WAS **NOT** THE MAN FORMERLY KNOWN AS PIGGEH. Not unless we had a ghost visitation and in that case all of you need to check yourselves right away in to the Miguel Home of The Perpetually Insane Criminals. Until then, eat more pickled herring with crackers, its the solution to everything. |
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| Reply by: Fu-ManjuRourke at Jan 21, '09 14:27 | |
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El_Nino, you seem to be mistaken. I never prayed that the gods should return Sonic to this world. I fully agree with you that it is improper for mortals to run to the Gods for a fix whenever anything goes wrong, so I shall offer you a timeline of my contact with the Gods that you may judge for yourself if my actions were improper. I had no contact with the gods until after Sonic was returned to this world, and was fully prepared to accept Sonic's banishment as the resolution of the entire affair. It was only after Sonic had been returned that I found the nearest priest, and all I wished of the Gods was knowledge. I needed to know the truth of Sonic's story and what their plan was for the others affected. Without knowing the truth and the Gods' plan I had no way of knowing how to proceed in the extremely awkward and extraordinary situation which had been entirely thrust upon me. The Gods at that point affirmed that Sonic was being possessed by another entity and not merely high or drunk; a drunkard still be faulted for a lack of self-control, whereas one possessed has no hand in the matter whatsoever. It was further confirmed that Sonic had not been returned from the hereafter until after he was taught "protective rituals" to prevent this possession from occurring again (that should satisfy Frijj's concern). And the Gods affirmed of their own accord, without me beseeching them, that things would be made right among all parties. All of these are matters that were relevant to me personally and which I could not have known without prayer. It was only several days later that I sought the Gods again, for some had begun to question whether the situation would be rectified in its entirety. At that time I again sought the Gods clarification as to how the situation would be resolved, explaining that I was in an awkward position, with many angry at me for merely trying to do as they had commanded. Please understand, I am not one normally inclined to prayer, but the situation we are discussing was one so out of the ordinary that there was no way for me to make an informed decision about how to proceed without consult with the Gods. As for you, Frijj. I've now gone over this story with you twice. Once in private, and now almost a week later you bring it up completely unprovoked in public. A long time ago there was a word "Omerta" that meant something to a mobster, and people avoided bringing up numerous private matters for discussion in public because of it. People would deal with things among their own kind instead of drawing in others unnecessarily. Airing dirty laundry in public was frowned upon, and those who did so were regarded with suspicion or even killed for their offenses. What happened between a few individuals stayed between a few individuals. So understand, my curt and hostile response to your prior outburst was not over the contents of your dream -- though now that it is public knowledge, I had to address that. I'm threatening you because this dream was discussed privately, and the matter was laid to rest privately, and it is improper for such private matters to come to the streets when you are unsatisfied with the results of the private discussion of the matter. Omerta, the oath of silence, was made not just out of some fanaticism, but because having a bit of privacy around intimate matters is good for business. How can someone enter into a good faith business deal with one who has no qualms about spilling the entire contents of the plan in the streets? Why would they enter into an arrangement if the conclusion you reach with them is to be disregarded at the first opportunity, blabbing about how you are unsatisfied with the results in the streets? I find it even more disturbing that you are still a part of this conversation after there was yet another private conversation last night on the matter, in which the topic was decided once again to have been laid to rest. I am shocked and appalled that a Made Man, a friend of ours, and a right hand man would be throwing aside all standards of behavior in this thing of ours to publicly pursue a personal vendetta without any provocation whatsoever. |
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| Reply by: Muqtada at Jan 21, '09 17:03 | |
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I did not bring you into this conversation Muqtada. I have never spoken with Sonic in my life. I addressed him and not you. You chose to become a part of this. Your member decided to throw his weight around in the streets and he was caught short on it. The conversation we had has not been quoted anywhere in this speech nor have I mentioned any things that were said in those conversations we had. I also never laid the matter to rest. As for last night. I was part of no conversation with anyone and have not been informed of any conversation where a matter was laid to rest. However, You want to threaten me. That is fine. That is your right as a crewleader to do so and there is nothing I can do about that now is there? Now, a long time ago, in a world far away member were killed for shooting sponsored members of this community. Not promoted and called hard working. You preach to me that I am not following the ways of this world but you allow someone who kills members of this thing of ours to live. How can that be so? Tips his hat and bids you good day |
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| Reply by: Frijj at Jan 21, '09 17:23 | |
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*Sonic walks through the room* So Frijj you have never spoke to me in your life aye, Well I agree with that part of what you said but to never speak to sumone in your life obviously proove you no nothing about me untill you know me formally then you can make your desisions aboutme, I am actually a nice guy I do my work for the family and I dont go "Throwing my weight around" I meerly expressed my opinion. As you said Sir you do not know me the stop continuing to slate me in the streets I am a well respected man to everyon i "Speak to" and you are there without even knowing me threatening me. I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way but I think you should ahve come and spoke to me personally before speaking in the streets about me. I have not once said a bad word about anyone in the streets and I still will never do it without atleast getting to know the person first. *sonic leaves the discussion* |
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| Reply by: Sonic at Jan 21, '09 17:33 | |
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| Just a matter you raised with Sonic? You raised the specter of my involvement when you questioned why he was alive in your initial response in this thread. And I've said enough of the matter. Sonic is indeed a hard worker who deserved his promotion. The otherworldly visitor that took control of his body is another matter entirely, and you seem to have trouble differentiating between the two. Either way, I'm done with this discussion. | |
| Reply by: Muqtada at Jan 21, '09 17:38 | |
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Firstly, Frijj has not threatened you a single time. Secondly, you said you don't go throwing your weight around, yet last time I saw you here you described yourself as 'storming out, throwing your weight around the place.' Not that I'm trying to fan the flames, I just cannot bear such contradictions. |
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| Reply by: KingOfOnePercent at Jan 21, '09 17:38 | |
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El_Nino puts his hand across his mouth in fake shock I wasn't aware that Frijj made a threat against you Sonic. |
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| Reply by: El_Nino at Jan 21, '09 17:40 | |
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And I quote "*Sonic storms ut throwing his weigt around the place* " So you do throw your weight around and that was the aim of your post. My whole beef is not with you as a person. I am sure you're a hard working member of your family. You do all that is asked of you and never question orders. Sadly, this devilish side to you has destroyed your reputation with me and other members of this community. Killing two innocent people, however this was repaired, is something that I feel cannot be excused.. |
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| Reply by: Frijj at Jan 21, '09 17:41 | |
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*sonic Enters again* Ok so maybe I did walk through the doors a bit bulshy But I did not in any way Threaten or even insulat anybody by what I said it was a matter of opinion and thats what the disscussion was about in the first place then I get it all in the neck for somthing completly different to the matter in hand. That is all I have to say on the matter. *sonic leaves* |
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| Reply by: Sonic at Jan 21, '09 17:43 | |
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Was that you or the devil that possesed you to open your mouth Sonic? It's all gravy you saying you are hard working and respected but the fact of the matter is you killed two members of the community that had a family and you are still walking the streets. *Acutie flicks her hair and takes a wander* |
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| Reply by: Acutie at Jan 21, '09 17:50 | |
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Not wanting to be left out of the conversation PostMan jumps onto the box. Many many years ago my grandfather told me of a fellow that was named MrEvilman. This man killed many people sponsered as well as unsponsered. It seems to me that many people praised him, were scared of him, or down right hated him. People we need to draw the line in our own sandboxes and reliese some of us run our families different than the other ones. Through out my family tree here I have seen many types come and go. We all have our good points and our weaknesses. Let us reliese that when people end up dead ... they are dead ... we all can live again and aspire to higher hopes the next time. PostMan says this on is own accord and is now way on either side of this dicussion. He can see good points and bad in all of it. Signed: PostMan |
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| Reply by: PostMan at Jan 21, '09 18:15 | |
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*storms in throwing his weight around* Now this here is getting out of hand. To much talking going on here in these streets. I never thought when I came back after years of being back home in Jamaica that this is how we run things around here now. Purely the realm of a clueless mobster. And do we not all take in mind that a (I must say again) THUG his come and ruffled the feathers on some of you cocks. If GOD says things were a misunderstanding! Damn-it I'm following what GOD says. I simply can't believe this is a issue after everything has been finalize. And as for you Frijj. Me being a under ranker, I only have the utmost respect for you here in these streets, unlike you trying to call out a Don over something that seems to burn you up on the inside for some reason. Frijj saying, "As for last night. I was part of no conversation with anyone and have not been informed of any conversation where a matter was laid to rest." That surely show a lack of communication on your part. Maybe you should be more INFORMED of conversations that pretain to things that happen with your family and not watching a soapbox that a dead thug lays beside. Just my opinion. All respect due! *carries his weight down the alley* |
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| Reply by: JamaicanDon_Marley at Jan 21, '09 18:18 | |
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The fact of the matter is he didn't kill members of this community. They where brought back as well as him. The gods rectified the situation. If you question him being alive then you are questioning the gods. They brought him back. Second of all remember your places. You are speaking to a crew leader. If anyone is to question it should be your leader and in private. Bringing this to the streets because you are unsatisfied with an answer already provided to you in private is childish and out of place for members of the upper echelons of a family. |
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| Reply by: JimmyTheLionHeart at Jan 21, '09 19:00 | |
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I do not question the Gods. The Gods chose to bring him back. That is fair enough. Therefore he got no punishment. I questioned as to why there was no punishment from his crewleader after his crewleader questioned me. I did not openly question Muqtada until he responded to me and left me with something to answer. That is all I will say on the matter from now on out. |
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| Reply by: Frijj at Jan 21, '09 19:09 | |
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