I'd say for the same reason you'd get pissed if I started calling myself Flea and pretending to be you, Kittyhawk. It's easy to nitpick about people being bugged by things from the outside. I mean why should you care if someone else likes and uses that name? Why should you get bugged if people shoot your BGs? They're only materialistic things that really only have a value when you choose to assign them a value and they're gonna die eventually anyways.

Oh Flea, your ability to intentionally dodge a point is hilarious, but the point still stands in comparing it to something you care about like your bodyguards... and look how quickly your reactions change when we compare it to something you care about. Almost like magic... or simple logic explaining why some individuals simply refuse to try to understand what others are going through because they're too narrow minded and selfish.

I think the most important thing is that Kittyhawk is beautiful, but he can respond here and not in the story of him and Auntie!

Obviously you have the economic knowledge of your average high school drop out. All things in life are given price values by a market but individual prices by every one of us. Meaning, that each of us determines a price for everything around us. That's why some people are willing to pay more for certain luxury items than others. The fact you're incapable of seeing a particular tag has value differing from yours is a sign you're not only narrow-minded and selfish, but that you're also a terrible economics student. Meaning, for some that tag actually can have higher value than a BG, you just choose to put the price of a BG above it on your standards because of your beliefs.

I guess you wanna take a side trip, then. Another person very well could intend very good things for that picture. Now... if said person actually had a long history of holding a grudge against you, I'd say you're a fool for trusting any intentions of theirs. Especially one so intent to make a personal stab they'd defend an obviously guilty idiot and make ridiculous statements that don't even make sense, as applies in this this case. I also happen to put a high value on personal ownership and artistic integrity, but I believe the quality of the prior reactions with the person involved should say more than enough.

Back to the actual subject... You don't get to tell other people how to assign value. We're stuck in a place where there are two groups, one running Jake's stupid fad and the other running a decade old tradition. It shouldn't be a hard choice to determine who really values it more and has more rational reasons to lay claim to the tag.

In a dream world all people from Jake's fad would remove it. However, this is not a dream world. People do not easily remove tags of their previous leaders. So there will be people regardless wearing the tag, whether originals like it or not.  Not to mention Jake's fad was not that long ago and there are people still living from when he was alive. So to expect people to just drop it because people say so is like telling the sun to go down because you want to see the moon. It just isn't going to happen that simply.

Maybe the tag will run its course and you won't see it as much. Maybe it will last longer.

Especially one so intent to make a personal stab they'd defend an obviously guilty idiot and make ridiculous statements that don't even make sense, as applies in this this case. 

So sorry if I seem insanely dense when I say I dont understand how this applies here. After all, not all of us are blessed with the mental acuity that you so obviously enjoy.

Moving on, I dont think you have realized up until this very moment, that I actually *dont* support all of the people who wear the Czylharz tag in remembrance of the latest chilled run. I thought I made that clear from my first response. No? Well, hope this clears it up.

My only question was, why was there a need to make a fuss about it? You have answered by making a bigger fuss. Mad props. Kudos. All that.

Well, I'm quite confused as to why others have such strong opinions, and are going on and on about this. The question addressed is to find out if people from the last era can call themselves Czylharz... It is not a complicated question.

However, the conversation has veered to become an argument about the tag, history, and meaning. Since Jono is really the only one to bring up, aside from a drunk RTL who was spurned because his name was forgotten in a street thread, I ask you this, why do you care? The only people that can really answer things or really deserve an opinion... about history and tradition, are the original members or also... people whose lines actually date back. It's not the kind of thing many people actually know... And nor is it really something that's shareable knowledge... A sort of... "You would've have to have been there kind of thing"

So, you can say that we had a lovely history... we were respected. Blah blah. The truth is Czylharz was quiet for about ten years or so. You'd see the tag around, but so what? It was a tag. And yes, we'd talk between ourselves at times, but what? maybe at max three or four people would sit in our room? And we'd all get excited when we'd have a visitor... We were also for the most part spread out in one way or another, not working together. 

The last year left a mark for better or for worse on the name. I am glad some people are proud to have run with us; the idea of a family did at least get across to you and that's essentially what any leader's goal should be. As for people who think the name was tarnished, what's your point of reference? Because if you're romanticizing a tag and you weren't there or you didn't wear it... (and maybe you've just heard an original's drunk ramblings talking about the golden era) then as a source, you're not really worth the conversion into MLA, and would be easy to cut out. 

Oh, and I have as much culpability as Jake regarding the "Fad"... This was something we went into in a very small way... Who could've known all you hipsters would take the tag and wear it like vintage clothes. (Kidding)

KittyHawk, your personal story is a failed personal attack. You wanna go down this road? Use names, I'm tired of hinting. I'll happily say exactly why I react the way I do in certain situations if you're dumb enough to drag other people into your petty bullshit, but you're gonna do it with all the dirty details. I'm tired of cowards hiding behind hints of insults. Say it if you really meant to say it.

I do realize you don't support it, I also realize you came out to be a sarcastic trolling asshole playing the devil's advocate for the purpose of going at speakers you dislike... again... for like the 500th time in your bloodline's history. Congrats on the milestone. Your issue is anyone making a deal over it... particularly after seeing who. Well too bad, once again you don't get to determine what makes other people do what they do.

My original response to you was actually just trying to explain it to you... not making a bigger fuss. You took it like that because you always make assumptions on me. Let me explain something to you... "Ohai, frands...and Maria(totes harassing you)" is where you actually started being a trolling douche and I didn't immediately start wording things in a way to talk down to you. You intentionally made it your opener so please don't even pretend you came out here for a discussion. If you also hadn't felt the need to word things like "wow. just wow." in an obvious attempt to show me up you wouldn't have seen this spiral with you. I don't pretend I'm not a cunt when I'm around idiots like you, Flea, because if you wanna be a cunt I'll be one too, just don't pretend I'm the one who started this nonsense when you came out here looking to start an argument. And by the way, I'm glad you did because your stupid argument showed people just how far they can go without getting shot... something so many people say is a real threat.

KittyHawk, your personal story is a failed personal attack. You wanna go down this road? Use names, I'm tired of hinting. I'll happily say exactly why I react the way I do in certain situations if you're dumb enough to drag other people into your petty bullshit, but you're gonna do it with all the dirty details. I'm tired of cowards hiding behind hints of insults. Say it if you really meant to say it.

I honestly have no fucking idea what you are ranting about. Maybe if you would stop hinting and actually said what you mean, we could move forward. Of course, if you feel that it is 'too personal'. My mailbox is always open and I would be glad to listen to all the 'dirty details'. I do little else, anyway.

Moving on, do you honestly think I spoke here because I dislike the speaker? I barely know Jono...oh wait, you mean you... Are you really that megalomaniacal that you think everytime I speak here in the Streets, I aim to disgrace you? Get the fuck over yourself. I barely know you well enough to dislike you. 

To anybody besides yourself, it would actually be the other way around... I comment on speeches. You take runs at me. We have a nice heated argument. Who is being the asshole now,dear WWI?(yes, the dear was sarcasm)

Yes, my issue is people making a big deal out of it. No, it isnt because you are doing it. 

Also, regarding your statement about me being able to push something risky and 'pewpew' worthy so far...isnt that what you are supposed to be doing? I am the company man who never says anything that offends people,right? Or maybe it's a hinted threat. If so, I have never been fucking intimidated by the likes of you. Kthxlolbhai ♡♡♡

You two totally suck. Now you're just making this about the love affair between you two. 

So are you saying they don't Ras, or just saying your speshul?

On a similar note to what you're saying, RasAlGhul, I don't know if they're killing people for wearing 303 tags but this was mentioned in JohnnyNoname's explanation of the death of Numbers4Glory.

Other than this just being a complete power play, one of the deciding factors in this was when Godfather Numbers4Glory and his closest members started to wear the 80085 tag, mocking the 303303 and we simply could not have this! So we decided to load up the GOATS and TRUCKS and head out to Staten Island.