I really was going to avoid this whole conversation.. as it's really going to get us all nowhere fast.

But.... it's obvious you are craving our attention. I'll have to make it quick though, time is money and I'd rather not waste too much of either on the likes of you.

Yes, I would call 13 members a population. Granted it's not a very large one.. it's a population. It's very easy to pass judgement when you are sitting pretty outside the walls of Paradise. Unlike many families that grace these shores, we are not typical auths. We are here because we are the sole survivors of a competition. We were not handed families. We actually have to work for them. Now I do not speak for Chekov but I can speak for my own. My family does not practice the art of recruiting people fresh off the boat, mix that with a majority of people not wanting to be a part of a district that was at one point unstable.. well, you should be able to see how it's a bit of a struggle gaining a large population. Chekov has stepped up into the role of acting Godfather and we are no longer considered a competition city. People are just now seeing us as stable enough to consider. These things take time.

As for our activity within our fine district, well that's no concern to a little Goomba such as yourself. I strongly suggest you spend the energy you are exhausting on riding the asses of things that are not your business into things that are. Like being a good little nobody and earning money for your crewleader. As far as I know none of the people who actually matter have an issue with us, and well... that's the only thing that matters really.

And your suggestion for us to be removed? Well you could do what the last coward who wanted us gone did... hitlist us and let TylerDurden do the dirty work. Nut up or shut up, simples.

((A little OOC tidbit: I really hate the activity shit on the crew page. It really does misrepresent actual activity. Yes, I could sit around all fucking day click monkeying and have a high activity level... but some of us have real lives that demand attention. I'd rather only be able to dedicate a few hours a day to MR, but actually conversing with my crew and those around me not to mention actually guiding people in the game.. than spend 12 hours not talking to anybody, clicking petty and not giving a fuck about 35 of the people in my 40 man crew.))

We were not handed families

uhm actually you were 5 of you were handed families in paradise .......

im a goomba a measely goomba however this is the streets and the streets is my business as i tread them doing work for my family and its made members to earn for them

We actually have to work for them

work for them? how the hell is populating paradise with 13 people work?

My family does not practice the art of recruiting people fresh off the boat,

well thats just stupid for a city to be turning down residents keeping its population low especially since this thread is aimed at enlarging the population of the community

As for our activity within our fine district, well that's no concern to a little Goomba such as yourself

that is exactly the ideals that will keep you underachieveing in paradise everyone goes through the rank of goomba even a nonsensiecal twat like yourself ;)

uhm actually you were 5 of you were handed families in paradise .......

 

We were not handed families.. we were not given half an HQ full of people right off that bat.

well thats just stupid for a city to be turning down residents keeping its population low especially since this thread is aimed at enlarging the population of the community

I don't believe I ever said we were turning down residents? I never once turned anybody away... What I said is we are not practicing the art of bombarding fresh faces with mails the moment they set foot on our grass. The Gods gave us jobs for a reason, we will be utilizing them to the fullest.

that is exactly the ideals that will keep you underachieveing in paradise everyone goes through the rank of goomba even a nonsensiecal twat like yourself ;)

Don't think it's wise of you to be calling people that far outrank you a nonsensical twat. You obviously have a lack of listening skills, either that or you just like getting attention from the ladies whether it's positive or negative. 

Right, cause when you own 2/3 of the districts, you're really concerned with being attacked. My point wasn't to encourage them to look like assholes, it was to encourage making decisions that had purpose. In my opinion, this one doesn't. Plus, I was mocking the ones claiming this is a power play, not you. Though it's unsurprising you'd interpret any of my statements as attacks on your person.

"I know, it's nothing like Roman and Premier situation who had authed every other City Head in the game. Obviously having the most GFs/cities/districts claiming allegiance means you win the war based on how they won the Roman take down."

I'm not calling him out for making a power play (hell, I'd love if they came out and said it was a power play to keep the other cities from expanding). I encourage that shit

"That's mocking? Where is the mocking? This isn't personal, this is my professional opinion, you suck at mocking if you think that's worded to be mocking. The move had purpose, you're simply refusing to accept different premises each and every time you nitpick. IAs are bad. Reducing Expansion speed will encourage CLs to continue bringing in active members and cutting the inactive ones loose if the CL is active... and I hope to God they are. I also don't see how me telling you that using a shitty reason is begging for a bullet was me taking offense, lol."

My point was that they just authed people in Chicago, and then announce this. It just seems dishonest in my eyes. It has nothing to do with the immediacy of results, as much as the fact that very recent previous actions are contrary to this ruling. Sick metaphor though, it had almost enough parallels to be an actual metaphor. A more accurate analogy of my position would be: we just injected this guy's leg with an infection that he has all over his body except his hands, and now we're gonna give him some medication to protect his hands. It just seems misplaced and ineffective. 

"Your point is irrelevant. They authed new district heads out of the two largest districts and no where else. They easily could've forced myself or Draven into a district if they were following the old ways of just get the districts filled but neither family is ready for that so it would be stupid, whereas both OrangeJuice and SammyGravano clearly were ready."

"The analogy was over your inability to give anything any time, like an idiotic medical professional/toddler. Again, professional opinion of what you've presented as far as patience goes, not at all personal, so the original stands as is."

I'm actually completely unaware of what you're talking about; but I'll try to clear it up. When I say "you", after referencing the community, it's a reference to... the community as a whole. I wasn't blaming you for single-handedly ruining our world, my concern is that we have a cultural problem. A problem that isn't fixed by blocking off cities. If I need to explain this any more then it's not worth explaining.

"You don't accuse a community of having a faulty culture to get it to fix its culture, you fix it with individual efforts starting with your own. I assumed you were calling out mine fully aware of that but obviously not many people have actually attempted to tackle these types of problems so I apologize for assuming you had experience giving an effort for a sustained period of time. Regardless what have you done that let's you cast that stone on anyone else? And just because you don't understand what slow expansion means doesn't mean you see a bigger picture. It is a cultural problem of doing things not 'without purpose' but without thought. Many of the things done are because that's how they've always been done or because that's what the Gods tell us to do. We don't actually have to do it if we don't agree with it."

Ok, sweet we've started the personal attacks. Surprised it took so long. I wasn't even... referencing... how long it takes to get a good gun. I was referencing average ages. I honestly don't know why you choose to interpret my words in such an odd manner, but you're seriously overcomplicating it. I even put in a "maybe" because not all people who get to 6 months are hitters. Jesus christ man, stop looking so hard for problems. My point is that we're often alive for a really long time, and it requires very little for that investment of time to be lost. If you work hard, you'll get killed first wave, and all your work will be lost. The fact that you can get that good of a gun sooner is irrelevant, because most are too afraid to use it anyways.

"Oh you poor thing, did not hitting basic hitting standards make you feel personally attacked? Do you really think that's a personal attack and not just based on standard gun building rates? One man built a gun capable of shooting through the cap in about 70 days. Another bragged about his month of over 300 kills and there are many more. If you actually keep your ear to the ground a lot of people expose how long it should take to hit a cap killing gun with the absurd number of Durdens roaming our streets."

"Your interpretation for average ages of hitters is a bullshit cover up. You thought it took 6 months to hit through the cap or whatever you consider to be a high gun on standard. I'm looking hard for problems? This is your second discussion where you came out here like an asshole disrespecting everyone you spoke with and now you're crying because you think I'm personally attacking you."

My god man, it was an example age. How old is Genocide? 10 days shy of four months. I just picked a number and went with it; I wasn't calculating average ages or looking up precisely how old everyone was the MOMENT they got authed. Sorry for being "misinformed" by using examples instead of precise, super-accurate data. Seriously, making mountains out of molehills here.

"Once again I highly doubt that, but nice try to cover. You know tons about our world and you're totally qualified to comment on anything."

This is completely irrelevant, but it surprises me little that you'd take this opportunity to talk about yourself.

"You got me, I'm an arrogant ass. Of course, this wouldn't be me using a specific example like you claimed you were using would it? It wouldn't actually be an example of the fact being on a leash doesn't mean you can't perform would it? I think it would making it relevant and I speak of myself because I don't pay enough attention to the business outside my HQ to give you the details on how other CLs are restricted."

"Using blame as causation for it"? What does that even mean? My point, which has once again been so absurdly missed, is that we're focusing on the wrong problems. Which is a lot like focusing on the wrong parts of a speech reply... Weird.

"You just blamed a cultural problem on someone for blaming districts. Once again, Hypocrisy thy name is Denam. If you can't remember your own points then of course it wouldn't make sense."

Blaming others for the consequences of their actions? Isn't that the nature of blame? As in, in its proper use, that is precisely what you use "blame" for. I was bringing attention to those consequences, because I can't change our culture single-handedly. I have to make people aware of the consequences of their actions, so as to prevent similar actions and similar consequences in the future. It's not something you can change by force; so weakness has nothing to do with it. I can't force people to be motivated. I can't force people to be original. There's no GFC policy which implements creativity. Also, clutch work slipping in another personal attack.

"You were blaming others for things being bad in your eyes despite the fact you've done nothing. No one has done much of anything to fight these ideas. You have to stop ignoring the issue at hand before you go off on your tangents. I love tangents, but skipping the connecting line segment just makes you an idiot speaking about nothing. You have to realistically tie it into the problem at hand, you can't just say it's irrelevant and then expect others to respect your opinion. And as for not expanding until ready, it's more creative than most of the ideas I and my recent ancestors heard of because it's simply stepping back and looking at an old problem from a new angle."

"Oh and you had plenty of personal attacks at my Godfather as far as I'm concerned so don't play this game with me, lol. I'm yet to really dish out a personal attack considering I'm fairly certain you called my words something along the lines of 'just bitching' elsewhere. If you'd like I could actually use language meant to rip you a new one, but that's improper nowadays so I'd get in a bunch of trouble and you're not worth it without your direct permission to do so."

"If we are to determine our population problem in terms of active members per crew or active crews per district, what use is closing a city with no crews? They place no limits on intra-city expansion (as a matter of fact, it's encouraged now since no one can take Philly), which is where most of the "problems" are. Limit the number of HQs per district(1). Or limit the number of occupiable districts per districts per city, and make everyone aggregate(2). Or limit the number of godfathers per city(3). All of these will actually contribute to increasing the number of active individuals per crew, or active members per district." 

"Oh boy, partial quotes to make you look smart! I love those! But why don't we note what else was attached to that."

But you have to admit, the rule has a steep lack of potency. If we are to determine our population problem in terms of active members per crew or active crews per district, what use is closing a city with no crews? They place no limits on intra-city expansion (as a matter of fact, it's encouraged now since no one can take Philly), which is where most of the "problems" are. Limit the number of HQs per district. Or limit the number of occupiable districts per districts per city, and make everyone aggregate. Or limit the number of godfathers per city. All of these will actually contribute to increasing the number of active individuals per crew, or active members per district.

"Oh no, you did yourself full justice apparently. Now is this trolling or are you actually serious with this? You want the community to spend an absurd amount of money to restructure which districts they're in because you're picky on which ones get used. Limiting the number of Godfathers solves nothing, it's just using the currently open spaces as storage for other crews I guess, which could easily all be done in the same district and does nothing different from sectioning off districts from being used. Your answers are cosmetically different from mine, but driving on the same concept with a giant price tag attached, kudos on figuring out nothing, and my apologies for taking you seriously enough to assume you weren't serious with that attempt."

I'm not out here to argue with you, IronSight. But I can do it as long as you need me to.

"Actually you're out here to complain about the progress made... without any sound logical reasoning. Shoo troll don't bother me, your game of causing heated debates will always fail until you actually come through with your own creative and well thought out idea."

i believe the competition was open to ANYONE.....you got their first, you were handed a spot

these are your words

My family does not practice the art of recruiting people fresh off the boat,

 now to anyone that would mean you think you are either above helping new players like myself learn the ropes or only are trying to fill your city with experienced players

and as for people out ranking me as far as im concerned only those within my city/district higher ranked than myself out rank me god knows that if they handed you a family they probably handed you that rank too

i understand your bitterness towards being called out on such a measley attempt to call a city with 13 members a "City" if anything it appears as a tribal gathering of the like minded waiting for the wandering souls to magically have a influx in your "City"

You obviously have a lack of listening skills

HOW THE HELL CAN I LISTEN TO WRITTEN WORD? i think you mean reading comprehension however ill give it a pass and let you strut your ego back down to your earned 4 member headquarters

i can only imagine the city meetings you guys have let alone family meetings they probably go something like this:

Sydney: hello wall

Wall: (im a freaking wall theres no one to talk to)

Sydney: oh ok would you like some tea?

Wall: (im a freaking wall theres no one to talk to)

Sydney: yeah this goomba is being mean to me

Wall: (im a freaking wall theres no one to talk to)

Sydney: OMG your like such a awesome listener

Wall: (im a freaking wall theres no one to talk to)

Sydney: no i totally agree hes being a total meanie pants

Wall: (im a freaking wall theres no one to talk to)

Sydney: im gonna complain about someone speaking their minds in the streets and thatll teach him a lesson , hell get learned real well Hayuk!

Wall: (im a freaking wall theres no one to talk to)

Denam listens very closely to IronSight's words.

Yep; I'm out. Started off as a great discussion; but now we've descended into trolling, shit-slinging, or baiting (or an unpleasant mixture of the three). It's been a pleasure, but this needs to end.

Skips off to his HQ for a beer.

This doesn't surprise me, but coupling it with recent expansions (ironically in Mako's city),

"Pot, kettle, black. You didn't make it one line before delving into shit-slinging at my city, but thanks for walking away the bigger man."

Though I understand why philly is being locked out for the time being, sons and daughters of past mobsters are not following in their shoes and pursuing other ways of life, which is fine but leaves us with this problem of lack of people coming into our particular trade. Most importantly I could only ask why? A few months ago we were thriving, every city and district was growing. Not at an alarming rate but none the less every city was established enough to earn there keep. Not to mention, I always thought this was sort of the point of the gods so leaders could have more time concentrated on showing there members the proper way of our life. Even with lesser HQs, more districts and more leaders our world is lacking new comers that actually want to stay and pursue this life. Sure they cant all bite the hook, but seems less and less are all the time, with the recent lack of activity and loosing some good teachers with the mix of people concentrating on IRC ave more then on home turf, maybe we are loosing touch with people who actually show these people what our world is really all about.

I dont think the decision at hand is wrong, but I think there are people capable of building philly into a great city, gives new comers more options, more choices to suit there personality as a mobster. Funneling new comers into places that have already had multiple people leave, suicide or just plain quit I dont think will solve any problems. I am no more then 1 person but maybe its time to look at some of the leaders and find out why people are not staying instead of cutting opportunities short of those individuals who are busting there ass, instead of forcing people into somewhere they might just not want to be.

Just a different opinion of a different side of thought, at the end of the day its nothing more then a thought.

Take care.

it looks like weve started killing people off for voicing their opinions again heaven forbid someone says something you dont agree with

i also have been told that it was a out of the family shot, probably by the whiney TW@T sydney herself

oh and BTW whoring is very common in genocide's family as you can tell they have a habit of plaguing the inboxes of "new" mobsters and dont get to know you at all, ive also found out you can buy your made man position with them for a simple 8 million dollars, guess this just shows how the made man button is worthless yet again

it looks like weve started killing people off for voicing their opinions again heaven forbid someone says something you dont agree with

Or it was because he was highly disrespectful. Notice how others who have voiced their opinions about Las Vegas haven't been shot? Yeah, that's because they don't draw targets on their back. There is an art to voicing opinions, a certain finesse is required, I suggest those who wish to rock the boat brush up on it. There are a lot of things that happen and things said that others don't agree with. Let's take my dear Maria for example! She is a woman of MANY strong opinions, as has the rest of her bloodline. She voices those opinion on a daily basis. I, and many others, do not agree with her at all times.. but she is still standing strong.

ima just say this then it appeared gloin was respectful until some members by the names of: kyubey @UrEskimoBrother sydney chose to disrespect him based on rank

we can all appreciate the term respect is earned and not given however if thats the case why should gloin respect you if you dont respect him?

Yes, calling a leader an idiot and demanding their head in the streets is quite respectful, twat.

I am a Don. Gloin was a gangster, or a goomba. Some no named C associate, until I made him dig his own grave.

you made him dig his own grave? it appears he just wanted to stir the pot and did so accordingly

the leader he insulted was not his own infact he was unsponsored at the time of the posts and someone decided to take him in only to kill him off seems cowardly to me but thats just my opinion

i didnt see him demanding anyones head, where did you read that at?

i did see him however asking why 13 people count as a city and why close one city only to leave 2 families with under the average activity level alive, the gods opened 2 cities for the world and why are we only closing one? seems nothing good came out of the paradise competition, unless you count a family of 4 and a family of 9 progress over a 2 month period

Yes, I do believe he is dead now, never to be found again. A friend once told me though.. If someone dies and no one sees the killer; did that person really die? He smiles.

The leader he insulted was a fellow leader and he may have done so while unsponsored but that doesn't take away any of the shit. You're just trying to stir, old man. I expected better from you.

Why are we closing one? Because we can. Why keep Paradise? Because we can. Why did Gloin die? Because I shot him.

It's simple. This is the world we live in. If I want to make things happen, I make them happen or attempt to. In this case, things happened.

Get the fuck off of your high horse and stop your whining, please. You've insulted my intelligence more then enough.

if someone dies and no one sees the killer he is still dead however if the dumb ass wants to own up to shooting a sponsored member breaking all the city rules everyone goes by instead of waiting for the families uppers to act and execute them it just how childish some one can really be

gloin died because he spoke the truth and we all know how much 303 doesnt like the truth

it is very well known the WS was buried potentially and it is very well known that a child pulled the trigger

Some people really need to bandage up their wounds and move on with their life. Don't see how this is beneficial to anybody. I have more productive things to do with my time than argue with a thug.. so I bid you adieu.

Is he still dead? I don't think anyone will ever report such a statement of death though. It's childish? What are you doing then? You and your father Gloin have been nothing BUT childish. I'm actually losing intelligence even replying to you.

Gloin died for threatening Sydney and Chekov. I don't understand how these 303 people even get involved?

It is known that you're a fucking idiot who is a bad troll. I'm much, much better than you at this game of ours. If you'd like a lesson, I'm known as Morty on IRC avenue pal. I'd be happy to teach you how to troll since you're garbage at it.

Oh and, I think you've got a bad grudge there friendo. I think you need to reevaluate your life and do us all a favor and get the fuck over yourself.

Thanks

xoxo

but you cant stop replying hmm you looking for another loving nickname sydney?

what wounds? is it sad that one person is fighting for equal ideals for all cities? or is it sad that the GF Council is being portrayed as a hero for closing Philly? if you ask me its both

the GF of a city only has the right to close the city they represent, the council has no voice in Philly as well as no voice in LV so it seems they should close them unless of course their allowing non GF members in on GF meetings then perhaps its just a meetingwhich should be open to everyone

Gloin died for threatening Sydney and Chekov. I don't understand how these 303 people even get involved?

it is very well known that 303 is backing chekov and had the competition rigged for him to still survive (rumour is also that 303 staged a rogue to get the heat off of chekov during the competition)

and morty we all know your a child lol you got all butt hurt when you died on your last character

we just find it funny leaders are openly allowing you to shoot their members, thought city rules were enforced in this thing of ours? oh well stupid is as stupid does

i might be a idiot but you all seem to be drawn to me ;) i will always be a trainwreck that will never change just like people letting their city rules be torn apart because "oh he was a troll he deserved it" i didnt know a rule was such a grey area here i thought atleast my CL would have pulled the trigger himself, guess i was wrong perhaps hell 1% ;)