You didn't ask about BlackBetty's loyalty, you asked about Father_TeQ's retirement. You also stated that Father_TeQ followed Azingy out of the door in protest. It isn't arrogance to suggest that influenced the decision - it is just following what you told us.

I also don't think the imprisonment of BlackBetty and the death of his successor vindicates Father_TeQ in any way; I actually think it makes his abandonment worse as that family have even fewer people to depend on when they need them the most.

And trying to involve the Gods in this is very low indeed.

I was simply asking for clarification from the Gods, Barry.  Because if what Latin said is not bloodlining, I have absolutely zero idea what is.

You seem to have a skewed idea of bloodlining. We are not killing people over and over without cause. We have established a rule in which our friends are not to be bloodlined. When that is violated we will retaliate against all of your friends. All that needs to happen for none of this to matter whatsoever is for people to not do what Daenerys did. The ball is perpetually in the 303's court regarding this matter and all they have to do is not bloodline. It's really that simple. This action was not taken until that happened.

I'll ask my earlier question that keeps getting conveniently skipped over then Latin.

If Daenerys was 'out to bloodline'... why did they shoot RoryRourke before RTwo? Rory had no connection, good or bad to 303 whatsoever. 

So according to you, someone is not allowed to shoot 'juicy' (important) targets, in the fear of their friends (who had nothing to do with any action taken by said person) being shot without eh.. much.. reason?

This is not bloodlining, it really isn't. Shooting a LEADER (who should have had arranged a pro shot, regardless of him being asleep) isn't bloodlining. Bloodlining is shooting someone repeatedly when he's young and arguably weak right? To deny him to build up and play? Rtwo was in our world for over two months.

Please. 

No one is questioning the shot taken against Rory as it was a legitimate shot.

However it was clear that once he had no one left to protect after his next shot and knowing it would be his final shot he took the shot on RTwo as a revenge shot for 303 then entered a duel with another 303 member to ensure no one gained from his but another member of the group. It is clear that the majority of this group are still working together all the while pretending to be loyal to their leaders until they are able to do some significant damage just like was done when Inertia attacked South Philly.

Sorry it appears my brain is running faster than my mouth, what I meant to say is "to ensure no one gained from his demise but another member of the group"

Is there anything wrong with giving his (former?) friend a notch on his gun instead of giving it to an enemy? In the end Daenerys died and the threat was removed. Problem solved, right? 

Agreed Tetley, the decision to duel another former 303 was about as dumb a way to go out as possible. Just inciting rage from the opposition not able to exact their own measure of revenge. However, I'm not of the belief that the shot on RTwo was motivated by previous problems between the 2's bloodlines. A clear ally of Philly, known to be less active than most so likely to be carrying around a low amount of protection given he'd just forked out for a move to LV.

I think that a majority of Philly and New York made a snap decision made in complete haste that night. A few have voiced their concerns to me over how it all went down. It smacked of the Roman/Premeir era.

You guys are becoming that which you despise.

Amazed at some of what he was hearing, Curtis finally elected to speak.

"Ok this has gone on long enough. A lot of people here need to pull their fucking childish heads out of their fucking infantile arses. Listen, I'll make this nice and fucking clear.

We won't stand for abuse that transcends game. When it becomes player harassment and abuse it crosses a very significant line. All 303 have all had the option to publicly reject that that behavior, to say they are not going to tolerate the abuse and will help stamp it out. That they want to evolve and move on as mature players. So far not one of them has chosen to do that. They remain (in the eyes of the community at least) a group, together and united. So, they will continue to bare the burden of collective blame for the abuse any one of them hands out. Simple.

If you want to dissociate yourselves from this behavior, this group and the repeated, meaningless harassment bloodline killing, do so. Come out in public, in these streets and make that declaration. Make it loud and fucking clear. State clearly that you will not endorse that behavior and will do all you can to assist the community in eradicating it from our life. State that you accept the long term cyclical nature of our way of life and that you wish to transcend the infantile abuse that has gone before you, that you want to evolve and be a part of the community like the rest of us. Do this and you WILL be given a fair shot.

Let me state once again to be really painfully clear. ALL 303 have this option in front of them this entire time. NOT ONE has elected to do this. You ALL knew what would happen if the bloodlining resumed. So stop fucking crying when it did.

Grow the fuck up, take some responsibility for your actions and you will be treated accordingly."

He looked to the sky as he took his flask from his jacket. Allowing himself a few deep breaths and just as deep swigs from the revitalizing liquor.

"I think it is also important to state something personal here. I have never had any personality issues with any of the 303 members I have encountered. Some have been highly engaging and entertaining individuals. Some with undoubted talent and a great deal to offer this thing of ours. On a person by person basis, the ones I have talked to or observed at any length have looked like good mobsters. I have nothing what so ever against them. The only thing I am opposed to is abusive harassment. That really must stop."

A sensible reply! 

stands open mouthed

Godfather Curtis, you have made it clear they must come out here and declare it. One of the former 303 members offspring was asking in the coffeeshops 'What can I do to ensure I don't end up the same way?'. Not a single person could give him an answer. You have now given a clear definition of what is needed.

You see guys... this is why my bloodline has always respected Curtis'. Clear and concise. He didn't give a 'oh get back on the horse and try again' reply. He knows what he wants from these people and he's told them exactly how they can start changing their ways.

Progress, at last.

Long have has my line respected your words, Godfather Curtis. I will continue to do so, but hopefully you will allow me to respectfully disagree?

I have two questions:

• Can we truly call this bloodlining? After all, RtwoDoubleTwo had been in this world for over two months AND was in a position of power.
• How is this harassment in any form? Has there been such harassment leading to the deaths of several 303 associated people all over the 6 cities?

I personally fail to see anything regarding harassment or bloodlining  in this, except a legitimate shot in a war time, but your opinion and that of others obviously differs.

Grow the fuck up, take some responsibility for your actions and you will be treated accordingly."

 

Right.

What of the "actions" of the sleeping Tea and Azingy? Both of their leaders knew they'd be for the city. Tea had pro wacked multiple times during times of war to help out Godmother Betty. If she was -loyal- to the group as people say, surely she could have just sold out Don Betty and had her killed? No. She was her crew leader.

Azingy never actually had the opportunity to use his gun to help the district or the city. He had over 250 notches and could have done damage, but unlike some, he kept his promise. He wasn't going to turn his gun at his family or city under any circumstances. He told Betty prior to joining her that he wouldn't do anything 303 related and he kept that to the grave.

If you want to dissociate yourselves from this behavior, this group and the repeated, meaningless harassment bloodline killing, do so. Come out in public, in these streets and make that declaration. Make it loud and fucking clear

On the contrary, my father was told to avoid any harassment or anything, stay quiet. Avoid the streets. He didn't want to upset anyone or make a splash, or anything. He kept his nose clean and did what was told of him. For his loyalty, he had Rane attempt to murder him but it seems Ranes gun had misfired shortly before the Gods smited him. 

You ALL knew what would happen if the bloodlining resumed. So stop fucking crying when it did.

What bloodlining are we talking about? The line of Freelancer? I was asleep during the whole ordeal so I can't give you anything 100% accurate regarding this. From what I saw elsewhere though, Daen had no protection left and guns were steadily approaching her. She didn't see anything within her targets range that would make a splash, to really piss off those who had attacked her home. She had seen R2 however, a Philadelphia authed Vegas crew leader within range of her gun.

Is that bloodlining? That's war. A lot of the nasty "303" people have fought and died for our districts in the past couple of months. The fact that people still bring them up like they're some kind of scourge.. It's pathetic.

If you want to forget whats in the past, you can do so. It seems to me that people are choosing to not forgive and forget, but remember.

Thank you for the words though Godfather Curtis. I'm glad you're at least reasonable enough to show up and give myself a solid reason as to why, despite it being unfair, but hey, this is the mafia. Nothing is fair. 

My mother was Teaiou. One of the ones who was shot down who joined Betty's district with the same understanding of Azingy. My mother also joined as she has heard nice things about so from LordBlackwood who was trying to convince my mother for sometime to give them a chance. 

People are going to think as they will but I can 100% say this.. Right up to the moment my mother died she kept her word and promises. Even in the war she mailed Betty saying she is available to help with anything she needed just like she has done in a previous time. My mother even had perm auth due to protecting her leader in a previous time too, two times! She NEVER took advantage of that trust Betty placed letting her have that! 

My mother even knew that Betty have shot a man many know in a out of this world place was her other half. But even knowing this Teaiou still stood by Betty to be there for her with the belief of you join a city, you remain for that city. On that night my mother concern was Philly not what was going on in Chicago. Which is correct right? That was my mother oath to Betty when she got her button too. She told her 'My life is your life, my gun is your gun'. 

Every dollar Teaiou earnt she sent up to Betty. Teaiou may not of been dancing out in the streets and so on but was true to her word of her loyalties to Bella Vista right up until the moment Betty shot her.

But I still stand by that my mother kept her word until the end. As did Azingy. Azingy even retired in the end after Rane missed his shot at him. Don't that say something? That he also had no malice in mind?

As I said above my mother even had the permanent auth and didn't abuse it or try to help anyone on the 'other side'. 

No matter what you think of my own bloodline.. It has never once let down the crew it has joined. 

Am I bitter for my mother demise? Nope I am not. I am not here to whine. Only to give my mother side in the 'story'.

Do I understand why it was done? Yes I do. I can see she of been thinking the majority over one or two people 'to be on the safe side'. She is human after all. So in that I don't blame her.. I can see how she of been thinking. 

People seem to believe my father made this decision very easily, so let me give you a little background on myself and BlackBetty's bloodlines...

We have been friends from the moment our lineage's met. My blood has followed Betty's 'into the flames' on more than one occasion. While my blood was away from this world, Betty was one of the very few people we got in touch with. Her lineage has been a lifeline to me for many years and although I am sour about it now, I know my offspring will eventually forgive her for what I perceive she has done. There are far too many fun times, times that we have helped each other out, picked each other up or kicked each other up the arse to let a single decision made in the heart of the moment to come between us permanently.

I love Betty's bloodline like the family I've never had. It's going to take much more for me to totally disregard the friendship that has been built there.

Given all that... my father still felt he had to do what he did. I am still of the belief that Betty didn't do enough to keep her oaths to her family. This was not an easy decision for my pappy.

So would you say you're Jesus-reborn post-self-imposed crucifixion, and she's somehow Judas, in this instance? Azingy would be a lamb, a precious lamb! Curtis and Tetley are obviously some Romans... Was birday at the last supper?

If I could be arsed to speak to you Spike, I would have replied to you earlier or to the endless mails or coffeeshop conversations you tried. I didn't... nobody did. You know why? Because you are generally just full of shit. Some comments your lineage have made to people 'privately' over the years are completely inappropriate.

It ALL comes back fella, this is a small world. 

Your blood's insistence on sticking your nose in EVERYONE'S business down the years has led to a very creepy vibe coming from every spawn of your lineage. You're the ultimate fence sitter, because you sympathise with everybody privately, then go tell someone else everything that has just been said or if they're of the opposite opinion... totally agree with them.

If people want a rumour spread, they just tell your bloodline because you'll run and tell someone immediately. You seem to have a complex with being the one 'in the know' which leads to a very eerie feeling for the people you're interrogating. 

A lot of the people you come out and defend in the coffeeshops or out here speak ill of you behind your back because, well... I won't get into silly name calling. 

For the first time in all my bloodlines years here, I'd rather someone not give me their opinion... you.