Below you will find the note I sent to Godfather Rourke. Not a complaint. Just facts, I feel the world should make their own minds up and know why Philly was demolished today.

I am sorry to all those that I placed in jeopardy, but commend you for standing by me no matter what. It makes my day to know that there are some people that actually appreciate when their Godfather does for them as much as they do for him.

I love you all!

Oddfather!

To: ThomasRourke From: Odd Subject: RE: A New York Don

Godfather Rourke,

I come to you with some unfortunate news. I have killed one of the Don's in New York.

I will explain.

On at least one occasion I approached you about an issue with a member of one the family's in NY. He was shooting at a member of my family. You took care of the issue quickly, then advised me that in the future that if I have a problem with any of your Leaders that I take it up with them. Since then I have followed that to a "T".

I get great feedback and have a good relationship with most of the leaders there, but there is one that I can't seem to work problems out with, so I try my best to not speak to him. Our conversations are strictly business. He has made it quite clear that he isn't interested in doing business with me at all. What I have found is that he does business with me when it conveniences him. Again I was cordial, and made every attempt to clear the animosity, to no avail. I think, by now you know I speak of JamaicanMob_Marley. He has on more than one occasion been disrespectful, not to just me, but the community as a whole.

The first time I noticed the blatant disrespect was in a speech he gave called: (1)"Auth. Shot?? What the F#%K!" To quote him: "Don't like it?!? Fuck you and the alley you crawled out of!!". Well, I didn't like it. So I guess fuck me? I expressed my thoughts then. I also noticed that you must have talked with him as he changed his tune very shortly after you spoke...no apology to me..or the rest of the community. I let it slide.

Time two: In a speech he gave called (2)"Steaks Only Thang Smokin in Philly." a speech DIRECTED at me and Philly and his decision to not do business with Philly, fine it was actually my idea to cut the business ties (shortly later I retracted/He did to) . Again he was quoted saying: "FUCK THEM AND THE ALLEY THEY CRAWL OUT OF!!!". I can only assume that he was speaking about me, since it was an entire speech DIRECTED at me. Again, I let it slide.

Since then, I had started my Hotel business, now, those that don't want to take part aren't required to. After a few infractions from Mr. Marley's family he made the conscience decision to cut business ties completely with Philly, again. Fine, if he doesn't agree..he is entitled, I have no problems with that..the only thing is, he tells me he isn't doing business with me but continues to pay me daily fee's. I guess he was waiting for his men to wake up before he advised them to leave Philly. You can't cut business ties, and continue to expect me to accept your money while its convenient for him. I was under the impression that he had told his family to not go to Philly(his words to me) a demand I have no problem with him making. I was a bit concerned about a "loose cannon" when he flew into Philly to kill his own Left Hand Man...for flying to Philly...seems a bit hypocritical, but I guess he has rules and they need to be dealt with. Again, I didn't care because I have no problems with him in my city. What I did have a problem with was his lack of respect in our private conversation. I called him sir the entire time, was polite and gracious and even a bit witty. I received cold, short and direct responses. None of which addressed me with the respect I demand from a Consig. Again, I allowed this because that's "Just Marley, being Marley".

Finally: In a speech he replied to called (3)"New Don in New York". He was quoted saying: Thanks to all that have come to share this moment with me! And a big FUCK YOU to those who didn't! Well, I didn't show up for that street speech, and I suppose with the previous examples you can see why. So I guess Marley gave me a big "FUCK YOU". This time I didn't let it slide.

Not to add insult to injury, but it appears that in an attempt to do business with Philly (something Mr. Marley claimed never to do) he repeatedly solicited one of my Street Bosses, Captains for money to allow him to shoot in NY. Twice he was refused and asked if there was something the Captain had done wrong to warrant such a tone. Marley's response? Well I don't give a fuck what you think of my tone man. You will show me respect SIMPLY BECAUSE I outrank you. My captain never responded in order to not escalate an already out of control incident.

As you can see, Godfather, these are acts that I just can't keep ignoring, I don't imagine if they were directed at you, that you could either. As said before, you wanted me to handle business of this manner with the leader and not you and as you said in your speech titled (4)"Thanks for New York" about the Bosses that you are setting up (stipulation 5) 5. You are responsible for your own alliances with other crews in New York or outside the city, and if you get into heat with another family, you have to face the consequences on your own, I'm not here to shield you from the potential danger in the world. Now that's not to say I will let wackhappy people take potshots at you, but if you disrespect a leader in the Streets then you need to be prepared for the consequences, I handled it between me and him. I figure as the Godfather of the city that you should at least know my motives.

Thank you for your time, Godfather. Very Respectfully, Godfather Odd, Philly

References: 1) http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/60596 2) http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/60703 3) http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/64575/page2 4) http://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/45231

Chong stands there listening to the words the late GodFather.

Odd, You have always stricken me as a kind and generous person. I agree with your motives and it is a shame that this couldn't been settled just between you and him. If your kin comes, make sure to contact me. I will make sure you are taken care of.

I completely agree with the late Odd's motives.  It is disgraceful for any leader to behave in a disrespectful way as JamaicanMob did--especially on the streets.  Such language and lack of subtlety shows a great weakness.  It shows immaturity and a general lack of the composed and collected manner which is required in a leader.  And to speak in such terms to a boss is unheard of.  If he were not a boss himself, he would have been killed after the first offense.

leaning on a street corner sign, sweating like he's in the lowest level of hell, Ragnarok listens to the words of the OddFather.

Its a shame so much blood was spilled today, but sometimes direspect must be dealt with in a harsh manner

Yes ThomasGagen, quiet disrespectful for Marley to be so mean :( 

Also disrespectful for the former godfather Odd to roll into New York guns blazing, without speaking a single word about it to Mr.Rourke.

I mean this as no disrespect to Godfather Premier or ThomasRourke but reading the street thread stating 5. You are responsible for your own alliances with other crews in New York or outside the city, and if you get into heat with another family, you have to face the consequences on your own, I'm not here to shield you from the potential danger in the world. Now that's not to say I will let wackhappy people take potshots at you, but if you disrespect a leader in the Streets then you need to be prepared for the consequences.

Odd has shown that he gave Marley more than a fair shake. I won't say that he was right to just shoot Marley as he is a business and means of support for ThomasRourke but Marley did get into a few tassles with him. Thomas is my Godfather, I follow what he does and says but I just don't understand why war came of this I suppose. If it was because of him just coming in and shooting, fine if it was because it was a CL of his city and he didn't find just cause, fine. I just think the rules need some re writing.

I'm still young though and may have a lot to learn but I'm just trying to make sense of it for myself. I didn't mean to offend anyone at all by this just trying to figure things out. Thank you for your time.

Can we kill someone for something that was said months ago, though?  And something that wasn't even directed at ourselves personally?  I'm not saying what's wrong or right, as I believe the body count speaks for itself, but if, say, Deimne were to come to the streets and proclaim "Fuck all the penguin lovers", would I, who's favorite animal is a penguin, have the right to kill him months later over this fact?

Sure.  It's the Mafia.  You can do whatever you want, whenever you want.  The action is yours... the reaction... is not.  I'd say that's a fitting motto for this type of place, eh?

Marietta I understand that two times were a month ago and it seems one of those date no more than a week ago. I'm just trying to catch an idea of the rules. If rules are set into place but aren't followed why even have rules?

RogerRabbit, do you know what went on with Thomas or marley?  The authed in ny thread, was started as a pay for leadership.  I paid for my leadership then Thomas and i came to a agreement to where i was made a full leader etc etc. Do you know if that was ever done with marley? Do you know if marley was considered a full auth of New York, and in turn odd disrespected and attacked ThomasRourke?  Oh you don't, thanks thought.

I didn't know whether or not if Marley was a full auth I never saw him with more than 25 members. From the thread about paid leadership they can have up to 25 members. Since I saw him cap out at that anytime it came across my eyes I figured he was still paying for auth. I guess assumptions really are the mother of all fuck ups. I didn't come to pick a fight just was trying to figure things out. It's a part of being young in the mafioso world.

Well, i am glad you admit you are a fuck up.  Point Godfather Prem

I am not taking any  sides,nor do i mean any disrespect,but i understand GodFather Odd getting man about marley,I mean,Premier, If someone had said something disrespectful to you,wouldnt you do something about it?I also dont understand why this led to a war,It went from, Marley,to his RHM,to the rest of his family,then it spread,killing alot of innocent people,two of them which were my friends,I think premier and Odd should have sttled this one on one,they didnt have to get NY and Philly and i was told LA was in on it too,many died today,and as i already said,every one of them were innocent,Yes premier,Odd killed a don,but how many did you get killed by declaring this war?

Jimmy,

I'll ignore several inaccuracies in your statement since they're unimportant, but I did want to stress one thing. There are no innocent people here. We are killers and thieves and con artists. Who is innocent?

It wasnt our war.

Rourke is quite obviously the only innocent one in all of this.

Point set match, to myself.

James tips his hat and walks off into the distance

Well, lets put it this way.

Odd was offended by shows of 'disrespect' from Marley to himself, and killed him and his entire family for it. He left a note with Godfather Thomas and figured the matter settled.

However, many of Don FCUK's Right Hand Women (plural, yes) have been making slights towards me, my business and my family in the Streets, in private correspondence and coffeeshops for... oh, the past two weeks. Did these women ever blatantly say "Marietta sucks shit"? No. But we all know who they were talking about when they made remarks. Could I have, by the precedent shown to us today, used that as a launching pad to kill FCUK's entire family with nothing but a note tacked to Godfather Odd's door?

By today's reasoning, yes. Would I have found it disturbing it Odd had shown up at my door later that evening with his gun pressed to my forehead? No. Because FCUK was a loyal, hard working Don for him. As Marley, for all his lack of education (we can't all be scholars here, like my darling little Kates) and eloquence in the Streets, was to Godfather Rourke.

You cannot guage another business' structure from a glance. You can assume and make inferences, but you will never know what the power structure of another city looks like.

Everything, however, can be reasoned over with talking. Me? I don't like violence much. In the past I've had to kill one of ThomasRourke's Captains. It wasn't a pleasant experience, and it certainly didn't make our cities all peachy keen. But I went to him beforehand, explained the situation outright and made the offer to compensate him for his loss of income BEFORE he had even said a word.

This place is about two things- power and money. If we didn't have either, we'd be nothing but a bunch of dis.organized men and women, running around shooting at each other. And no one wants to kill a man. If they do, they've got serious issues. We do it for the money, we do it for the upkeep of our lifestyle, and we do it because nothing... nothing is more satisfying to me (personally) to know that I am a woman kicking ass in a man's world.

Like I said, the action is yours, the reaction is not. Rules or no rules, vague implications or clear acts of disrespect, if you mess with someone close to someone who is stronger than you, you better have a clear mind and plan going in.

To the young man who spoke before me about innocent lives lost- there was once a group, one that I believe Godfather Odd's ancestors were apart of actually, that had a motto. It said "Ten for one". If one of your soldatos dies, and that person truly meant something to your organization, then you should be willing to put your neck on the line for that person and kill ten of the opposing soldiers. I think Godfather Odd, in Heaven no doubt, can understand and appreciate those sentiments.

"I think premier and Odd should have sttled this one on one"

The war was actually started when odd attacked New York,  being an ex member, and family head of new york, not to even bring up that one of my best and longest friends is THomas Rourke, is it even a question that id get invovled the moment thomas is attacked?

IF anyone thought without a doubt i wouldnt help Thomas, then you are a moron.

"Yes premier,Odd killed a don,but how many did you get killed by declaring this war?"

I killed two dons persnally, everyone else i don't know.

By the way get your fucking facts straight

Stands there dumbfounded on what James had just said

Hopefully we can all learn from this that you dont let your self esteem get bruised over words.

IF anyone thought without a doubt i wouldnt help Thomas, then you are a moron.

Slaps Godfather Premier with a white glove.

You hath insulted me. I challenge thee to a duel!

James grabs his popcorn and sits back for the show

Ten million on the deceased BrianRourke winning this one. Any takers?!