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| Chicago | Started by: Disorder on Mar 04, '17 09:51 |
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After a long night and very little sleep, a tired Disorder headed into the streets to address the obvious questions the community would have. He climbed out of his car and walked up the steps to the vantage point his guards had made clear for him. "I've come here this morning with a heavy heart. The actions against Chicago last night were far from my decision alone. Others played their full part but I am not one for avoiding things, I'm here to take responsibility for what happened as much as anyone. Never have I been forced to make a decision like the one I had to make yesterday, and I hope I never have to again. Last night I shot one of my friends, it was a horrible thing to do. But it was necessary. Its very easy to lead when the decisions are easy, very hard when they aren't." He looked up at the sky, taking his father's hip flask from his pocket and drinking a few large swigs for warmth before he went on. "Our collective efforts with Godfather Bonkers and the leadership of Chicago went way back and saw us take control of the country. When we first took control there was a collective agreement to do whatever we had to, to ensure our continued safety as a group. There is a fair amount of detail here that I won't go into, needless to say we eventually arrived at the point of action. When push came to shove Bonkers took a step back and refused to make the hard decision required to help ensure our continued safety. I totally understand him wanting to do this, anyone with a heart would. However we could not accept it. I tried to argue the point as did others but his mind was set. He had made his decision. I lost absolutely no respect for him for taking the stance he did. He made a strong moral choice. But, as someone given the task of helping ensure the safety of many families and people, I could not accept that choice. Neither could Godfather FitzChivalry, Don LuciusSweet, Godfather mouseycop and others who were all affected by it. The difficult decision was made. We had to remove Godfather Bonkers, and if we did that we would have to remove those closest to him that would be certain to fight back." Taking another healthy swig from the flask, he returned it to the inside pocket of his winter woolen jacket and looked back at the crowd. "I dare say there will be voices that oppose this. Those of you who say it is not the truth and those with alternative ideas about what happened and why. The fact of the matter is, this is the truth of the matter. There are several other reasons I could have added but it would have only made this speech longer and served as little more than distraction from the fundamental point. This is what happened to Godfather Bonkers and the city if Chicago. I bid you good day." With that, he walked back down the steps and headed to his car. |
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Oh brother where do I begin. Sees an ad for shovels. Appealing but opts to pit on the back burner.
Disorder, I dare you to tell me you know the meaning of truth.
Leaving the ball in Disorders court, I head up the steps and brush shoulders with Disorder. |
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| Reply by: hanging_a_snowman at Mar 04, '17 11:53 | |
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Thank you for quickly communicating the reasons that led to the fall of most leaders of Chicago. The rumour mill quickly speeds up when events of this significance occur, so it’s good to hear an official statement regarding what happened. |
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| Reply by: JaryllJicchai at Mar 04, '17 11:56 | |
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The first sentence from you Jary is bizarre.
Case n point is in effect. Carry on with the BS |
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| Reply by: hanging_a_snowman at Mar 04, '17 12:01 | |
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I speak on behalf of my father, Utopia. This is the mafia and I understand that moves like these are a natural part of it. You had every right to do it, just as the same could have been said for Chicago. I will vomit if somebody uses the word salty - can't stand that word. I do feel compelled to speak though. This move has surprised me as I knew friendships between the cities had run deep to say the least, and even went back to the old country in some cases. That is not why I speak. In La Cosa Nostra, it's often your friend that pulls the trigger. I do, however, feel compelled to speak on behalf of the survival of our world. I understand there was significant pressure on my father to systematically murder his crew members that were beyond a certain age whereby they had a gun that was capable of causing real damage. I understand, please correct me if I am wrong, that Bonkers' "moral choice" was to, on my father's behalf, refuse to engage in this act. I understand this act was what you referred to when you spoke about ensuring "continued safety" (again, correct me if I am wrong, I've made assumptions based on my father's experiences). It would seem pointless to make the moral case for myself and Bonkers refusing to engage in this act as it would seem you empathise with this moral view. Now this is the mafia, and we don't operate under a normal moral code of conduct (hence why you completely had the right to do this). But. Let's be honest here. We're a small community. If we don't want this world to shrink to about 5 old bloodlines sitting around thinking "shit, who do we do business with now?", we've got to learn to give people a chance. As JaryllJicchai touched on, what incentive does somebody have to enter this life of crime if they know that there is a system whereby they will be shut off after a certain length of time? The group that made this decision have worked hard to get to where they are and I stress again that they have earned the right to do as they wish in their position of power. Nonetheless, I really do hope that, unless we want to end up in a long term lose:lose scenario where this thing of ours drys up, we need to give bloodlines we aren't familiar with a chance. Rest in peace to the fallen. It's made me even more proud of my city and district to see how the aftermath hasn't descended into petty name calling and throwing our shit at each other. |
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| Reply by: Utopia- at Mar 04, '17 12:42 | |
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Much respect for that levelled and factual speech Utopia- There are many of old with similar concerns. This community - forgive the pun is not a utopia. To live as criminals to train a gun to have it removed because people think something mafia like might happen that they don't like if they are permitted to keep them is paranoid and does not show strength, quite the opposite in fact. I think those that have been around the block a bit might have to accept that this will become (already is) a 'social' thing amongst a handful of people. That's fine as long as we recognise the change. I think most come for a life of crime and the drama that involves but yes this is now moving to a world that doesn't reflect that any mor. Mates it's all good enjoy a 'social' hangout place that distances itself from any kind of reality in thing of ours. I hear those that prefer the mafia already have and are about to make a choice about it that utopia is something they want to.be a part of. Most don't. The community will shrink and change and whilst sometimes this is good and needed to change in this case it's a very poor set of people and circumstances that essentially will run a world that contradicts the times we live in, values and restricts useful input and time here to a select handful. People will and already are bored with it. Mr Oakheart and Gato I bloody miss you! Never in your watch would this depleted, discouraged, exiting the world as a result ever happen. You had your faults...but really I think this is close to th worse I've witnessed in my family history. I'll be labelled as having a hissy fit because my words are uncomfortable to some. It's a bit of a yawn really. We are all more than used to that. The streets used to be a place to debate and discuss and sometimes even reason. I'm not liking the 'my cock is bigger than yours so I'll call you stupid to make you shut up'. Anyway.....let's all rumble on in the dullness of a world that bears no reflection to history books or why most choose to be here.... |
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| Reply by: Eight_Fell_Over at Mar 04, '17 13:07 | |
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Maybe it is because of me just waking up, but I think I've had enough caffeine to understand - sadly I don't though. Someone mind explaining in layman's terms, why CH was taken out? No shade or beating around the bush please. I'd just like the straight facts. |
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| Reply by: Starfire at Mar 04, '17 13:47 | |
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They had guns that were getting too big, they were asked to remove them and they refused so they were shot... |
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| Reply by: Eight_Fell_Over at Mar 04, '17 13:57 | |
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Amusing how mouseycop manages to live through each and every wipe. Grow a spine and fight for your fallen brethren, coward... |
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| Reply by: -Telkin- at Mar 04, '17 17:16 | |
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Normally in motion and not even seen in these streets, Pinkerton pauses to here a three sided story in the streets. He pulls a joint from behind his ear and lit a match on his bodyguards face.
Wow! The Killer, The Son of the slain and The Ranting man. No matter how you look at it, it's all respect. At any given time, anyone one of us could be sitting on the other side of the table.
Out the corner of Pinkerton's eye he sees other people approaching. Before the crowd got larger, him and his bodyguard started walking and turned a corner. |
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| Reply by: Pinkerton at Mar 04, '17 17:23 | |
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To be fair trusting Curtis or Fitz?????and yet you all stood by and got taken out and to be fair to Mouse cop how many cities can you survive shitting on>? You all deserve to be dead for trusting such a fucking tyrannical cunt so crying I thought we were friends ect is pathetic And in fairness to Curtis hes done exactly the same time and time again so how is anyone surprised. RIP Chicago Next time someone grow some fucking Balls |
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| Reply by: Curtis- at Mar 04, '17 18:29 | |
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This was always going to happen. All is well when you do as Disorder says. The minute you don't, bang. No-one should be shocked by that. His fellow colleagues in Vegas were of no threat to him and would have helped him with everything he needed, but he and Fitz threw them under the boss the minute they could, so this is really of no shock that he's done the same to the people he used to remove Vegas. Utopia made a wonderful point and its the main reason why I simply exist to do what I can for Cookie and put zero effort into any other aspect of my life here. There is no point in doing anything else. The only thing thats surprised me in all this, is that Borkers didnt help defend the man who got him where he is. |
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| Reply by: JanEgeland at Mar 04, '17 19:12 | |
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A pure case of lame. Call it what you want Disorder. You been walking these shores for how long now? You know damn right well this sort of wipe out did not exist in your starting days. In your day wars were wars. THIS WAS NOT A WAR! The playing field bares no challenge. And it is this exact bullshit you spew that hinders business. You have lost sight on how to conduct business because YOU are blinded by being a rank whore and could care less about mentoring the potentials.
The buddy system does not work. You know this yet you cannot see past your own selfish geed to sustain and grow business. You are not alone in the demise of killing business. How much respect do you have for the man who made this possible? |
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| Reply by: hanging_a_snowman at Mar 05, '17 12:00 | |
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As I communicate with others, I recognize a vomit bucket is in order where Disorder is concerned.
As a direct result of not having a war for many years, the term war is by far used too loosely. You already know as much. You also are aware of your feathers being ruffled by many in a respectful manner. Yet, your response is to build that gun. In the past you have popped mobster(s) and used the excuse you made a mistake. Yet, there you are again repeating history. You will never be hailed. You developed this nasty habit of judging people to be idiots. The late night comedians are setting up shop at your expense.
Throws up on your doorstep. When will you learn? |
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| Reply by: hanging_a_snowman at Mar 05, '17 14:23 | |
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So Curtis fucked over some people seems things have not changed around here |
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| Reply by: Silvio--Dante at Mar 05, '17 15:36 | |
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What's not changed Silvio is that your bloodline still isn't very bright. Self preservation isn't a new concept, the lengths regimes go to differ but the desired outcome is still the same. |
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| Reply by: finanaveguy at Mar 05, '17 15:55 | |
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Seems *insert name here* has fucked some people over nothings changed Thats the world here, it could of been anyone that sits in the seat of power they would not of got there for being nice but its good to see you insult me immediately I must of left a lasting impression on you! mission accomplished |
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| Reply by: Silvio--Dante at Mar 05, '17 16:01 | |
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The problem wasn't that Chicago wanted to protected their members who were trusted and had proven this beyond all reasonable doubt, it was because they wanted to protect them just because they were their members. This was something we had all explicitly agreed upon not doing because that's how the snakes get in the grass; history is littered with examples of this type of behaviour after all. As for those asking why should they bother, saying my life is over, woe is me etc. etc., have a look at yourself. If you're being honest with your boss and are loyally invested in your family, then I have no doubt you'll be absolutely fine. Conversely, if you're doing the bare minimum, lying, withholding information or any one of a number of other things which does not constitute the actions of what one would expect of a loyal family member trying to prove themselves, then I expect you'll end up on the garbage heap too. Our actions will be reciprocal to yours. |
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| Reply by: LuciusSweet at Mar 05, '17 16:29 | |
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I think you are also missing that we HAVE to divulge our coffee shop names, otherwise we will not be fine. Also for some people (or quite a lot of people actually) even if they divulge their coffee shop name and it just doesn't fit right with the hierarchy of Las Vegas, you are still not fine. So let's be honest here, loyalty doesn't come into this whatsoever. Live the anonymous life and die prematurely, divulge your coffee shop name and die prematurely. That seems to be a big pivotal point that you have missed out, Lucius. |
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| Reply by: Alan- at Mar 05, '17 17:18 | |
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You are going quite far out of your way to miss the facts here. I can appreciate it suits your desperate view and current agenda but it isn't reality. So please, wipe your craven tears long enough to see the blindingly obvious point you keep ignoring and lets clarify something: Anyone is perfectly entitled to withhold their identity from anyone. I have never and will never demand that anyone reveal their linage to me or anyone else in my district. If you want to remain entirely anonymous, that's absolutely fine. Just go do it somewhere else. Its not as if there aren't an abundance of other options. |
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| Reply by: Disorder at Mar 05, '17 17:30 | |
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