Drizzles some blood atop popcorn and sits back nomming, enjoying the show.

Well I guess it's a good thing that people have stronger spirits then you give them credit for, including the author of this thread. Guess you'll need to try harder.

You mistake me for someone who cares what happens in the present day.  I'm not trying to do anything.  I am merely here for perspective.  Bless people for trying though.  This game would be extremely boring if you didn't have people to oppose you.  Though, like in other places, you have tried to steer this thread to make it about yourself and completely diverted it way from the topic at hand.  Your passing remarks didn't go unnoticed.  Selfishness is unbecoming of you.

Hmmm, so I suppose the tips and mails I've gotten thanking me for my responses are also unbecoming? How befitting of your current name JTG. Sitting back and passing judgment, pretending not to care. Seems like you've steered this further off course through your own posting and responses, all I did was point out your contradictions and thank you for your clarification. You kept the conversation going sir. 

I'm really hoping a page of unnecessary squabbling doesn't put people actually adding to this thread.

While I'm fairly amused by it, don't you two think this deserves being in another thread, at this point? Or perhaps mobmail?

put people off* .. I'm glad this is OOC. Typos upset me.

Typical.  Bury your head in the sand and deflect when things get tough, just like our botched war on Curtis when you were Daniella.  Also unbecoming of the supposed "Tiger Lady".  I'm sure when your underground group fails again it will be someone else's fault.

I did nothing to steer this conversation off course.  People were blabbering about how unfair and "mean" it is for these things to happen.  All I did was explain to them why these things are happening and how it is done effectively, if my guesses are correct.

Guyyyyyyysssssssss!

You're giving this thing of ours a bad name with you're infighting and arguing. The kids will think mummy and daddy don't love them any more and run away, or more accurately make us look like a bunch of arrogant and incompetent narcissists who can't even have a simple discussion without resorting to pettiness and 'driving them away'.

You are right Pollution.  I will stop from here.  This is no place for it.  I am sorry I didn't see your post before my most recent.  I would mail her but I would get dinged for harassment. But, I digress.  I will stop posting unless someone has anything else to say.

lol nice JTG, bring up that situation. Mail me if you want, I'll say it right here in open. Please go ahead.

Angy should be fucking ashamed of herself is right. But she won't be because she likes to shoot things just for fun. We know this from her killing of JaryllJicchai some months ago, when Fitz offered her a shot just for the fun of it and that was her chosen target. Angy is a soldier with no spine - she does what she's told, when she's told and little else. Granted, she's too busy having Skype "calls" with Spike to really be bothered by anything else, but that's another story for another time.

Is anyone really surprised by this death? I'm not. They're purging again is all. We saw it with the death of Begbie and again here now. They won't let anyone get even potentially get close to them - that's the way of things. But I do need to clear up some inaccuracies in what's being said. 

I was incog with a plan to kill SpikeS when he was in charge. He had just removed his ally, Ronin, and everyone under him (including me). I was pissed. Ronin/Goku gave everything and received a bullet to the head. Back to me being incog. Further more I was incog because I knew Spike would do whatever he could to keep me down. He'd find my account after tremendous work and kill it with no remorse. Why? Honestly I do not know other than to keep my morale down. To hope that I'd lose interest in the game and leave. It nearly worked until I had the incog account under you, LucaRossi. Oh and by the way, when was Goku or Toaly incog at all? Toaly was Toaly and Goku used his gay name of Shogun.

That account's incog was broken by Jeddy and when you approached me I gave in. Told you my strengths on the account and told you why I hid. You agreed why I should do it and you let it happen. You knew you had an ally when it came to shooting your dear friend, SpikeS. You said you wanted him removed because he kept coming and asking for space-pole's head. As you kept saying no, like a real crew leader should, he kept coming back. After awhile you asked for help and we killed him. The city of Chicago took down everyone at that point and we were left. After all of this you continued to show the qualities of being a leader I could work for and someone I could trust. Hell you asked me to take a district even. The only fact out of this that remains correct is SpikeSpiegel is such a piece of shit that his own friend kills him. And for the record I had only really ever meant Pine/JackRuby during that run. How would I have plotted your death and/or Pine's if I hadn't of worked with them before?

I think what is also notable is that when reprimanded, both you and Mike exclaim about how much money you donate.

Is donating not a part of what we do in this world? Is the weight of an earner no longer important? Should I not be proud of how I've helped my crew leader in how much I'm able to kick up on a regular basis? I see nothing wrong with a person being upset that they kicked up millions in donations and was then thrown aside like trash. They could have been stacking up credits instead, like I'm sure many of the "godfathers" are doing with the money being sent to them. 

your buddy Brucie was building and involved in undergrounds in LV, why weren't you?

This has always been your problem Spike. You take some misconstrued information from one source and you run with it, deciding to lump groups of people together and tying people together in a neat bow so you can run around acting like you're "in the know" about stuff that doesn't exist. There is no "underground". Do I have friends? Sure. We all do. What was think tank before you guys (or nifl rather) got to the top, if not an underground group? I'm sure Kurgan would think your little group was underground and it's what led to his death, through some shady underground shit. Tobias shot him and you guys caught the witness statement. That's as underground as it gets.

Do you agree with everything your friends do, all the time? You verbalized to people that you weren't a fan of witness statement catching and other tactics used by nifl. Toaly and I are friends, that doesn't mean we're constantly working or plotting or even on the same page about shit. Hell, First put you on a black out for weeks, leaving all your secret whatsapp groups and refusing to speak with you or JTG or just about anyone outside of nifl and Curtis and co. Should anything he did during that time be used against you? 

You're a classic narcissist man. You spin stories and weave tales and convince people you know what's happening and you have all the secrets. If only people understood how much you use them with little return. Miss Nikki, for instance, sitting in Summerlin like she's one of the group, while all your friends hide out in her crew. How she doesn't realize the shit you and your friends have talked about her in the past and how easily you would turn on her even now is beyond me. You're using her to hold your friends, just like Pale was used to hold Nifl members until they took over, and she'll be thrown aside once her usefulness is over, just like Pale was. Why the fuck does anyone still listen to a thing you say? 

People remember the worst, assume the worst, and act on the worst.

You should know the feeling by now. Even your own girlfriend won't vouch for you enough to let you sit in her crew, instead you have to keep recreating again and again and again. You're so hated by the majority of the community, including Curtis, that you can't even sit in a crew. The last two districts you joined even for a few days ended up dead. Yet you encourage the same thing to be done to others, going so far as to threaten people to leave MR completely or you'll make their life hell. You're a joke man. 

It just made life easier for me and my people, all be it less fun.

Which people are you referring to? Pine? Oh JackRuby? You mean the guy who's been your friend for over a decade that you just decided to fuck over and kill? Not too sure you have too many people around other than your Spike, considering you burned all your other bridges some time ago.

I would mail her but I would get dinged for harassment.

You know you've lost an argument when you have to get petty and personal, attacking someone over something that was not her fault or in her control and which was clearly investigated by the administration. Implying she's trying to "get at" people by crying harassment to everyone? Only a small minded asshole would have to resort to that.

The biggest issue, and what Toaly is trying to mention, is the people in power currently have done some tyrannical things in the past and yet nothing has been mentioned about them. You've got a guy admin jailed for the shit he's been doing. You've got Grin, mostly IA, who has been auth'd over and over again. Nefer and Ladyfighter, constantly IA and hiding out themselves. Why should Toaly be any different?

Spike says it's because the people he hangs with are "the crowd he hangs with is very dark, very angry, and dégueulasse" (stop trying to sound smart Spike and just use the word that you really mean - disgusting). But how can you know who the mans friends are or what "crowd" he hangs out with if you don't speak with him? Don't address your concerns? How can you realistically say he's going to rogue on anything when you take zero chance to know him?

Anyone who is delusional enough to think they can work hard and join the upper echelons of this regime, despite what Curtis keeps claiming, is simply foolish. 

Sorry to call you out Squishy, I'm not askig for you to make any changes, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and ask why bloodlining is even allowed.

Thanks.

Sorry, that should read: Nefer and Ladyfighter, constantly INCOG and hiding out themselves.

Goku used his gay name of Shogun.

Finally something we can agree on. 

Please engage your brains for a moment and consider how a man in his position would act in the face of everything being thrown at him.

Absolutely delusional. He has command of all 10 of the top guns and regularly destroys crews, districts, and cities for reasons that aren't ever even made public. In what fucking world do we consider that "everything being thrown at him." Disorder is some kind of hero? Emboldened by the miraculous persistence to mow down men who could never even touch him or his friends? I get that I called it propaganda earlier, but this seems almost satirical.

To be fair, Disorder has been actually rather fucking on point with the takedown explanations; most recent couple notwithstanding.

As entertaining as all this is, I'd just like to make something clear from my perspective. Being that this is OOC, its an ideal place to do so.

I have no ill will toward Toaly. In my experience of him he's been an intelligent, articulate and charismatic player who seems very capable. I didn't order him dead on this occasion but the in-game value of his life was never going to weigh against those of the people that wanted him gone. Likewise I've no issues with MikeHunt. Mike is a great guy and entertaining player to be around. Sure he's killed me in the past, I've wanted him dead but oddly enough last time out I didn't. Again, I had more invested in allegiances with the people that did want him dead than I did in him, so that settled that decision. Mike's a great player and I have no problem with him.

I could go into discussions and even arguments I've had about the value of his life and other lives of my supposed enemies but as with anything, whenever I try to tell the truth, the screaming tantrum factory will just show up and cry 'lies', 'foul', 'Armageddon' etc. So to be honest, most of the time these days I don't waste my breath. I have better things to do with my time than harvest hate from frustrated players who won't accept the truth. 

There are loads of players I supposedly 'hate' but I honestly don't. The only things in this game I have encountered that I actually 'hate', have been rare incidents of sexual harassment, racism, genuine real life abuse and personal attacks on players outside of their in-game actions. That is the only type of actions that genuinely get me angry. Everything that goes on in game? Nah, sorry. As a 42 year old man, I see this for what it is, a game. Its just recreation. It isn't real. I'm not going to get upset because Mike or Toaly are plotting to kill me. There would be something wrong with the fundamental structure of the game if anyone you could mention didn't want me gone so they could take their shot. Thats the game!

I know in a game sense, loads of players hate me and want me gone. Thats natural, good even. Thats the game. I'm not bothered by it in the slightest. All the complaints and crying and all the rest of it just tickles me. I find it all highly entertaining. because it's not real. because it's a game. Something we all do to escape reality for a little while each day. For anyone unable to differentiate between the ups and downs of real life and the swings and roundabouts of an on line role playing game, I would suggest you log off for a week or two. Go look at some trees, read a book in the sun, get drunk with friends at a barbecue and put things into perspective.

Don't worry. Sooner or later I'll be dead and someone else will become 'the problem'. The longer they are in power the more people will say 'they are killing the game' and 'driving users away' and every other complaint that every entrenched regime ever has to listen to. Just as I have had to listen to, and the long standing regimes before me, and before them etc. 

It's just a game. Its not real. Enjoy it. If it wasn't packed with frustration and adversity it would hold no appeal. None of us would be here if there was no challenge in it. I wish you all the best of luck removing me and I quite honestly, look forward to all the free time I'll have to spend with my family when I'm gone.

Love,

C.