Well not capable is not a fair assessment , simply people who have more time and desire for power in this game because a total lack of it in real life means its hard to play when the dice are loaded.

Its not fair and the amount of times  you hear 

"man up its the mafia"

but when you point it out like a mafia made guy you are out of line

I have seen so many mafia films and documentary and when their family or crew die they say

"oh im very sorry please forgive my bleeding and the inconvenience that you had having to reload"

I mean no one gets pissed off at all its all smiles at least thats what we have to pretend to believe on here.

Slow-claps.

Yes, put it down to people being incapable, well done.

When CL's are handed lists of their own members to kill, sometimes by those not even in your own city and (for the most part) do so, without question, there's a problem. When your family won't stand up for you, there's a problem.

When completely fresh bloodlines are being killed on repeat for no reason and they wind up leaving the site for good, there's a problem. When old bloodlines put forth work in any family, they too wind up being killed on repeat, for the most part. That's a problem.

When the site is losing money every single day, there's a problem.

When the people at the top have been told repeatedly and for months on end that their playing style WILL KILL THE SITE, and they still proceed with the same tactics, there is a problem. There have been plenty of regimes in the past who have maintained their power for this long (and longer, I might add,) without literally putting the site at risk of being shut down.

When the overwhelming majority goes silent, and refuses to even put forth more than an hour a day into the place, because they know they will be shot down, we, as a site, have a fucking problem.

People need to realize that users are leaving the site on a daily basis. People who only come here to click a few times a day, and then go about their real lives. People who don't give a shit about power grabs or politics at all, who put forth next to no work and don't effect those on top at all are getting shot repeatedly, and that is an enormous fucking issue.

How do you fail to see this as a fundamental issue with the landscape? Is it truly easier to just believe Squishy has it out for the regime?

None of the new implementations are that severe (though I still don't particularly agree with the lack of WS's being sent out - but whatever,) and none of them make it so that we'll see an overnight shift in power.

I fail to see how this is even remotely comparable to the 303 being DD'd as a whole. The 303 were DD'd for cheating, not simply for "getting too good". Those at the top right now got there because they're skilled, ruthless, and intelligent, not from cheating. I truly hope that even the people that despise them will give them this much, because it's undeniable, they got to where they are due to skill.

Given that this is about the only example I have to quote, I'm going to re-toss up Larry's line:

Assuming the changes remain in place when we are all dead, I don't have a problem with them.

^THAT. Almost nobody recognizes that all of these changes put in to "disrupt or intentionally kill" the regime, also help these people on their next accounts.

FearlessJ, in closing let me ask you this...

Short of people turning on each other(which we all know is not going to happen,) and short of implementing Game Changes to shorten the ridiculous gap between the top & bottom, how do you ever expect things to change around here? Or are you truly okay with the site just dying off because those at the top don't seem to care that their tactics are going to drive the game into non-existence? 

As someone who has spent almost a decade here, and invested well over 16,000 hours of time into this place, I would sincerely hope that those reading this understand that I am not knocking the work the people at the top have put in. I have a tremendous amount of admiration for the truly hardcore style they've chosen to run with and I commend them for succeeding for so long. It is not my wish for the people in power to die, it is, however, my wish for this site NOT to die.

I have an enormous issue with the fact that our world is dying off and that if this continues, none of us will have this place we love so much to escape the cruelty of the real world.

Note(s): Yes, I am the Left Hand Man to a Godfather of this regime. Yes, I'm aware that the above facts and my opinions are probably not going to sit well with them. No, I don't think that players are becoming incapable. No, I don't think these changes are going to cripple us. Yes, I'm aware that this post will paint me in a not-so-good spotlight in the eyes of those I work for. Yes, I have no life and probably need to stop spending so much time here(for whoever of you was going to point out that 16k+ hours is fucking ridiculous).

I'm not going to get into all of your reply because it is mostly nonsense, but there are a few things I'll quickly correct.

We weren't told "repeatedly and for months on end that [our] playing style WILL KILL THE SITE". Squishy said on IRC when I was present about a week ago that revenues had fallen, which was the first time I had heard mention of it. 

Upon hearing this information, my first suggestion was a reset, Disorder's first suggestion was a reset and Squishy said no. You finger pointing is misguided. 

And, I don't believe for a second "completely fresh bloodlines" are being killed on repeat for no reason. I would like some examples to support this or don't just make up shit to make it seem worse than it is, because that is part of the problem. 

" We weren't told "repeatedly and for months on end that [our] playing style WILL KILL THE SITE". "

Okay, maybe you weren't told this, but others at your table most certainly were. I know this because I told them personally.

I will come back with some concrete evidence of new players dying for no reason. And then what will your response be? People who log on to gamble, petty, and generally just click around have died and continue to die, I'm sorry if you can't own up to this. 

People who log on just* to do the above things. New people who have no fucking clue how this world works.

On a site note: I agree that a Reset is not the way to go.

Come to think of it... I literally can't prove that people are leaving the site for said reasons because well...they've left the site? Regardless, I will try to back these claims up if possible.

Everyone who is/has been involved in this current regime only have themselves to blame if they dont like it you put them there and now you reap the whirlwind all the moaning and anger wont change that.

At least a few people had the chance to change it and when it came down to it their balls were made of pussy and they died. 

Go for the year Curtis 

Telkin in all fairness, you've actually never been successful under any regime.  I really dont think you're the person to be speaking against this one. I really don't mean that to be offensive, but sometimes a person should look in the mirror. 

FearlessJ - another typical example of people who can't hold a proper debate. What in the actual fuck does my lack of success have anything to do with this conversation?

Amen, Squishy. I'd tip you if in-game money had any effect on you. The problem is, nobody realizes that it's a fucking game. Sure, it's a roleplaying game, but it's a game nonetheless. Every comment, every statement about the way things are, is taken as a personal insult. Maybe we could've resolved this already if every time somebody mentioned it it didn't devolve into a cesspool of insults, arguments, and being killed. I like to think that we're all mature, adult human beings who don't want to see this game going by the wayside.

Well Henri, youre complaining about other people not being able to be successful, when you yourself have never even experienced it.  You really dont know what it takes to be successful.  I really don't mean this as an insult, but maybe you should try something different.  You are only one example.  Just adapt to the current regime, and play the game.  I'm sorry if not everything is handed to you.  If you have to be a liar/deceitful, stab someone in the back to climb the latter, than do it.  Define insanity!!!!! 

This is what I mean about devolving into insults. Why are we so incapable of having a conversation? There was a time players would at least show some semblance of respect to each other, what happened to that?

Slow-claps again.

Dodge, deny, and deflect. 3/3 par for the course.

My success (or lack thereof) has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. People across the board have "adapted to the current regime" and still continue to be snuffed out (often by their own CL), despite having done nothing to warrant such actions.

Stop trying to make this about me, because it's not. I thoroughly enjoy playing this game no matter who's on top, and work both tirelessly and completely loyally for every single CL I choose to join.

The life of our site is implicitly more important than that of any single account, and I'm more than slightly upset that nobody at the top seems to recognize this.

It's not an insult, more so advice.  Think outside of the box, and don't expect things to be handed to you?  Sometimes, things are not fair.  You have to adapt and deal with it.  

This is a game, a fairly enjoyable one.  The object of any game is to win :S. 

What do you expect??  Disorder to let people who don't like him/want him dead to build a 2,---- gun and wipe him off the face of this game?  Is that what you would do in his shoes? 

I'm extremely curious as to what people expect, and what they would do if they were in this sort of position??

Yeah, I'm using up and discarding the rest of MR and I get my daily arousal out of bending people to my will. When I found out about the financial hardship facing you/the game, I actually only suggested you do whatever you needed to do and to reset the game for a laugh. 

Maybe I should have been more clear; I was including back-handed Mean Girl-style remarks in 'insults.' And yes, I will admit, I shouldn't say that. But the thing we're dancing around, that we're not talking about, is that there is a problem. The game is faltering, and players are leaving because of the way things are. And nobody who has the ambition to change the way things are are allowed anywhere remotely near where they would be able to make these changes. Keeping this in mind, if the current regime wants to keep their control, they're going to have to make some changes. Or they won't have a game left to hold control over.

Maybe I should have been more clear; I was including back-handed Mean Girl-style remarks in 'insults.' And yes, I will admit, I shouldn't say that. But the thing we're dancing around, that we're not talking about, is that there is a problem. The game is faltering, and players are leaving because of the way things are. And nobody who has the ambition to change the way things are are allowed anywhere remotely near where they would be able to make these changes. Keeping this in mind, if the current regime wants to keep their control, they're going to have to make some changes. Or they won't have a game left to hold control over

There is not a problem with the game, Izzy has run it somewhat similarly for what?  20 years?  Why has this never been an issue before, but all of a sudden now there is an issue?

What is so different now, than say 10 years ago?  People said the said the same thing about every successful regime.  This cycle will eventually end, and another will begin.  This is only a phase, and maybe there are a few people who contributed financially to Izzy's bank account that no longer play because of this regime.  How is that Disorders or this regime's problem?  They're playing the game that Izzy built, and they're playing it to win, like any of us would.  

I just think its a shame that this regime is demonized because they're so damn good at this game.  

Not an insult? You pointlessly and childishly set forth something on the table aimed directly at me, that which has absolutely fuck all to do with this conversation.

I have adapted to the current regime - hence why I've not (at least yet) received a bullet for my comments here. As I said, I work completely loyally and absolutely tirelessly for every single CL I join. Many others do the same. There are countless amounts of deaths that have happened for no reason other than "we want them dead". Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that CL's aren't receiving extensive lists of their own members to be slayed. Tell me that wiping out every single Tom Dick and Harry Goomba nobody every time there's a takedown is good for the site. Tell me that all these deaths were completely justifiable, when every single person here knows that realistically these young accounts can't do fuck all to harm anyone.

What do I expect? I expect users (like yourself) to not lob half-assed insults to the Administration such as " They all seem geared towards the elimination of the current régime. " when in reality, their ultimate goal is simply to not let the fucking site die.

Here are a few small tweaks to the current style of play by those on the top that could happen in order to restore some small modicum of hope/reason to play to the average user;

• Stop wiping every person under Made in a crew any time the CL so much as sneezes in the wrong direction.
• Stop requiring every leader to kill their own members after a certain amount of time/kills.
• Stop requiring every leader to remove their members gun every time there's a rogue.
• Let the CL's/GF's of a given city actually...I don't know, run their own city?

I highly imagine all of these ideas will be shot down with absolutely no thought given to them, or scoffed off as "why would we do that then we might die," but again I will refer back to my last post where I said "The life of our site is implicitly more important than that of any single account, and I'm more than slightly upset that nobody at the top seems to recognize this."