Inaccurate because you're too incompetent to understand reality.

No its inaccurate because you're attempting to encourage people to do things that are practically impossible. You cannot (unless you perk on nearly every shot you take) build a cap killer gun in the space of a month. 

Fucking too stupid to even accept the truth with clear evidence provided. Jesus.

The team of 12 he had mentioned to build alongside you can BG wave, and then you have a viable chance in but a mere few hours of stealthed BG shots. I believe that's what he was referring to.

Ragnorak, that would mean they did not complete the 'gain some trust' portion of my tutorial, or they are trusting the wrong people. I've seen no one in the last 4 months do it correctly. No waving, no coordination, just some guy with a garbage gun taking out insignificant targets, and tons of bitching and whining, because, we all know that solves everything.

 

No its inaccurate because you're attempting to encourage people to do things that are practically impossible. You cannot (unless you perk on nearly every shot you take) build a cap killer gun in the space of a month. 

Fucking too stupid to even accept the truth with clear evidence provided. Jesus.

yes, yes you are too fucking stupid. No where did I state one had to build a cap killer in a month. Learn to comprehend english.

they did not complete the 'gain some trust' portion of my tutorial

Telling people to waste time and earn trust is being considered a tutorial now is it?

So lets look at your proposal shall we.

12 people in a group, 11 bg shooters and one main shooter to finish them off. If we assume that a 'good' average for shots per day is 10 a day then 11 purestealth bgs shooters will require 12-13 days at most to reach the +75 they need to pull it off. Whereas the main shooter should probably just do all they can as much as they can for the full month that you are allowing them. At 10 kills a day they would hit 300+ and if they are lucky with getting more than 10 a day and/or perks we can maybe even say they might hit +400.

So at the end of the month we have 11 bg shooters who will all have a gun of at least 75 and a 12th with a gun of 400. 

Bg cap is 175 and this group are hopefully going to hit what 11 bgs an hour at best?

To get them down to the point a gun of 400 would hit them would mean you need to bring their bgs down to about 80ish?

That means a reduction of 95 which you would need about 8 hours for and would have to hope that none of them or their right hands log on and spot it (Which coincidentally was the reason why the only previous attempt I know of failed)

That's just to shoot ONE of them of which there are many.

Ok sir, you win. Hopefully by the time that happens, you'll be all fucked up because its inevitable and we can have a wonderful conversation about how much of an idiot I am with my inflated ego.

Wow. Standards of leaders have really dropped if someone thats a CL can't comprehend that a person cannot build a cap killer gun in the current climate unless they are BFFs with those in power.

My gun isn't maxed because I dont shoot. there isn't any point to it. I rarely come online for much time at all due to how much I despair at the current climate tbh, when Rogues appear I lose my gun, causing me to have to do 75 petties to gain it again, making any efforts to kill even less available.

So tell me Indubitably, how does one enjoy a game where the main factors of the game are removed from them? I've built many a cannon in my time, it takes time and dedication that would almost certainly not go unnoticed by those in power, so again, what is it you expect people to do about that situation other that talk about it?

People are acting like raising the subject and discussing it is some heinous crime. Get over yourself. It's Ok to not be enjoying the current regime and the state of play, voicing that doesn't make you a cry baby or whinging. it is what it is.

EuronGreyJoy has essentially taken his own life.  

My gun isn't maxed because I dont shoot. there isn't any point to it. I rarely come online for much time at all due to how much I despair at the current climate tbh, when Rogues appear I lose my gun, causing me to have to do 75 petties to gain it again, making any efforts to kill even less available.

What you are basically saying is that you have given up.  Thats why none of you can accomplish anything.  You all give up when it gets tough.  The same principle holds true in life, adversity will present itself, how will you respond? By giving up?  Of course not, at least I hope not?  

Shut your hypocritical hole.

You fucking give up all the time.

You give up talking/arguing with me practically every time it gets started.

Even in your own posts, whether it be out of boredom, frustration, ignorance, being told to shut up from superiors or not just nkygiving a shit. The amount of times I'm left without a response from you is in abundance.

But I guess that's perfectly acceptable because it's you.

1. Learn to read english. I never stated one needed to build a cap killer. There is more to this game than building a gun, once you people realize that, perhaps you'll start to have fun again, or perhaps not.

2. It's whining. One G.

3. These aren't opinions, these are rants about how awful the top is and that nobody can do anything about it. That's called whining.

I have no bff's. Except birday, because he's smexeh.  I'm an outsider, who was given a crew simply because he asked for it, who has built without reporting a single shot, but is yet still alive, because I'm not a fucking retard (Granted, that's debatable) or simply because I can't possibly have a gun big enough to be a threat. We'll revisit this alive thing again in 30 days or so, but my money is on I'll still be here, while you and the rest of the 'omg the game is ruined' crew will be on your umpteenth character.

The fucking spelling and grammar officer is doing his round I see. Highly amusing that he tells others to learn to read English then comes out with

"I have no bff's. Except birday, because he's smexeh"

Oh and you forgot to add "houses rogues" to your list of accolades.

In case someone doesn't want to read the whole thing let me give you the gist of it.

"Lol, nut up or shut up"

"Disorder has the right to play how he will"

"I don't want to nut up, or shut up!"

"Gods have to do something about it!"

And then Insidious saying things people are probably going to ignore.

I'm honestly sick to fuck of this shit. I make a lot of jokes but when it comes down to it spouting the same old bullshit arguments and rebuttals is getting us nowhere fast. Clearly something is wrong. Both sides admitted that. Can we have an actual discussion about it? One that brings new information to the table rather than the arguments (Which are clearly paraphrased, in most cases anyway) listed above? Because for months you've been at the same standstill fucking point as you are now. Refer back to Squishy's post in this thread, instead of skillfully ignoring it, and give a response rather than arguing among yourselves. That is if the lot of you even want to find a legitimate compromise here.

I'm honestly sick to fuck of this shit

I'm Sorry, I didn't realise someone was forcing you to read or reply to anything that's being said.

Izzy has been funding this game since its inception and has tried to make it into a viable business and fair play to him, we all appreciate what he creates and the work he puts in for our entertainment and to keep his baby alive. As far as I am aware, someone will no doubt correct me if I am wrong, Izzy has made little to no money from the game as a business interest and admirably has continued to fund the game out of pocket. What I am hearing recently is that he is no longer prepared to go into the red for the game but has a strong desire to keep it afloat, as do all who enjoy playing.

There have been many changes down the years I have played that attempt to balance out any exploits the players find that gives advantage over others. The game evolves each time exploits are found and we all have to get used to these changes and modify how we play. You can't blame the players for playing the game. When people were found easily through OC's, it was changed. When people were easy to find through jails, it was changed. There are various examples of this evolution as a reaction to how people, collectively or otherwise, have played the game as it is available to them. No doubt there will be frictions, essentially the game encourages this, you can't have wars when everyone is happy but I do feel that it is a stretch to blame the consumers for its possible falure.

I have lived through numerous regimes since I began playing, both in and out of favour. Purging players is not a new thing. Killing people before they can become a threat is not a new tactic. Lulling people into a false sense of security is not exclusive to this regime. Any regime uses what it can to get to the top and stay there until they are taken out. The opposing team needs to be savvy and have a single minded direction to achieve their goals, which is just what this group of players did in order to get where they are.

Are there things that players can do to help the site? Yes, of course there is. In my opinion, these should be looked at and it should be  explained explicitly what is expected from us and if realistically we as a group of players can achieve this, as seen from a management perspective. Perhaps the issue is the right set of solutions have yet to be found to address the issue of gaining and keeping new players if the current system is not producing the expected results.

It is obvious, that having bolstered the game for so long that it is no longer financially teneable for Izzy to continue to support the game as he has been, which from my view is a major shift from how he has been doing things in the past. Something had to give and here we are.

I highly doubt that any of the userbase is trying to wilfully destroy the game, as seems to have been suggested. All we can ever do is use what is available to us

Tyrion-Lannister

You were warned at the beginning of this entire pile of shit regime and you chose to trust and be killed by Curtis and fitz as did the next 6 CLs who could have done something about it!

Im sick of people whom had a chance to change this place for the better either 

1. Swallowing so much of Curtis cock that they become blind and get wacked or wacked on

2. Saying you want to do something then doing nothing except kill their own button men or even RHM or LHM at the behest of another city.

3. Trying to build pouring money in to be told you are not trusted and wacked, or you happened to be on when one of the big boys lap dogs was shot so you die too

4.People who clearly support the regime coming and telling anyone with an opinion that they better man up ect.

The fact that after the gods come and explain the problem no one listens and its never been this bad i have never heard of Squish come on and tell us the sites breaking financially.

What could I have done at the beginning? House-MD I think you have me confused for someone else. 

Insidious11 Nobody needed to force me to read this, just like nobody forces you to do the same. I read these in the hopes that someone will say something worth reading. I know its foolish of me to still think that, but I do.

Im saying I have heard and invested myself when asked but I have never seen Squish come out and say its due to the current way the game is run